What is wrong with Miami?

trojanfan12 said:
I've heard and read a few things over the years.

The 3 that seem to make the most sense are...

Off campus stadium - UCLA struggles with the same thing. Why fight traffic to and from a game when you can just watch on tv and save the expense and hassle.

Commuter school - I've heard that the U is more of a commuter school. This could hurt attendance even with an on campus stadium as a lot of folks may not want that extra day of fighting traffic.

Facilities suck - like it or not, you need top notch facilities to attract and keep top recruits. Especially in a state with as many D-1 schools as Florida has and with as many top notch out of state schools that recruit there.

Plus, it's not like this is a blue blood program with decades of history to fall back on. They had a great run of about a decade when they got back to back great coaches who were able to get a lot of local talent to stay home and were very loud. Outside of that, most of their history has been fairly mediocre.
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True but their run was great. They have 5 National Titles.

That is arguably more titles than the following Blue Bloods: Michigan, Nebraska, Tennessee, and Texas. If you take out leather helmet days, they have more than Notre Dame as well.

Hell in the color tv (modern era) they have more than any of the Blue Bloods not named Alabama.
 
Been said several times but it’s a small school plunked into the middle of one of the most affluent communities in Miami-Dade County. A stadium in or even near campus is out of the question. Sharing a pro stadium way north (60 minutes if you’re lucky because of traffic) (on game day it was always fun to watch shuttle after shuttle from campus to the stadium.

On campus luxury facilities for the athletes aren’t realistic either.

Also it’s a relatively small alumni base. And from the mid 2000’s the administration did not care to invest much in the football team, putting them behind the curve.

NIL might help but there are some built in defects that are hard to overcome.
 
lots of things, but it is still a coach's first year

there's a reason why they fired Diaz. Miami was clearly over-rated at #13. tbh, i'm surprised Miami and Pitt were both ranked in the pre-season top 25
 
trojanfan12 said:
I've heard and read a few things over the years.

The 3 that seem to make the most sense are...

Off campus stadium - UCLA struggles with the same thing. Why fight traffic to and from a game when you can just watch on tv and save the expense and hassle.

Commuter school - I've heard that the U is more of a commuter school. This could hurt attendance even with an on campus stadium as a lot of folks may not want that extra day of fighting traffic.

Facilities suck - like it or not, you need top notch facilities to attract and keep top recruits. Especially in a state with as many D-1 schools as Florida has and with as many top notch out of state schools that recruit there.

Plus, it's not like this is a blue blood program with decades of history to fall back on. They had a great run of about a decade when they got back to back great coaches who were able to get a lot of local talent to stay home and were very loud. Outside of that, most of their history has been fairly mediocre.
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Yep. And there will never be a stadium on campus it within 5 miles of it.

And the other part of the problem (this stems from lack of blue blood heritage) is the fan base are so fair weather. They only show up in the good times and act like they and the team have always been there.
 
Volbound1700 said:
True but their run was great. They have 5 National Titles.

That is arguably more titles than the following Blue Bloods: Michigan, Nebraska, Tennessee, and Texas. If you take out leather helmet days, they have more than Notre Dame as well.

Hell in the color tv (modern era) they have more than any of the Blue Bloods not named Alabama.
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Agree, but it's that history that makes those blue bloods, blue bloods. They have shown that they can have down times and come back. Miami doesn't have that.
 
But see that is the thing that puzzles me. I am no expert on this topic by any means. Especially when it is school and revenue related. But you take these former great school like Miami, Florida State, Florida, Southern Cal, etc. It seems like having certain winning season runs and multiple national titles would be ammunition enough to bring in the recruits.
 
Miami’s own QB popped off the other day when he said the atmosphere playing away games was better than the one when they play at home. Got blistered for saying it but he was telling the truth.

Some fan bases fill stadiums even when the opponent is someone like my guys….or worse. Miami’s ain’t one of them. (Neither is my teams fan base.)
 
Deep Creek said:
Miami’s own QB popped off the other day when he said the atmosphere playing away games was better than the one when they play at home. Got blistered for saying it but he was telling the truth.

Some fan bases fill stadiums even when the opponent is someone like my guys….or worse. Miami’s ain’t one of them. (Neither is my teams fan base.)
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Sure they bitch about it. But did you see how many “fans” were there on Saturday?
 
Trash facilities. Stadium about a million miles from campus. Small private school that now requires their players to be able to read.

Plus you have two in state schools with bigger budgets to compete with for recruits to go with Bama and UGA landing a lot of big recruits from south Florida too.

If they’re ever gonna get to a natty contender status again, it’s gonna take a big investment for facilities
 
Collegefbfan said:
But see that is the thing that puzzles me. I am no expert on this topic by any means. Especially when it is school and revenue related. But you take these former great school like Miami, Florida State, Florida, Southern Cal, etc. It seems like having certain winning season runs and multiple national titles would be ammunition enough to bring in the recruits.
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Can't really speak to Florida and Florida St., but for USC in comparison to Miami, if USC is down, it can always be traced back to the coach. There is always talent at USC, even when down, because USC is the only blue blood program west of Texas. So there are a certain number of recruits in the area that will always pick them.

What USC has that Miami doesn't appear to have, is the money to significantly upgrade their athletic facilities (which is pretty much complete) and while they technically don't have an on campus stadium, it's literally across the street from campus. They also have complete control, so they have been spending a lot of money upgrading the interior (which is ongoing).

From what I've seen of the plans, when it's complete, it won't be SoFi Stadium level...but it will be about as close as you could expect from a college stadium.

Miami, unfortunately, does not have those advantages, so even though they are in a rich recruiting ground...they have challenges to try to overcome that USC doesn't.
 
Cocaine money doesn't go as far as it use to. Fucking Biden.
 
Volbound1700 said:
True but their run was great. They have 5 National Titles.

That is arguably more titles than the following Blue Bloods: Michigan, Nebraska, Tennessee, and Texas. If you take out leather helmet days, they have more than Notre Dame as well.

Hell in the color tv (modern era) they have more than any of the Blue Bloods not named Alabama.
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Their “great run” had some shady stuff behind it. Once they had to clean their act up they fell like a rock. Same thing happened to SMU.
 
Going back to previous post, I get that Miami is not an ALL-TIME top ten program but there are a lot of ALL-TIME teams that had their success in the past and don't look like they are going to replicate it such as Michigan, Notre Dame, and Tennessee.

Tennessee, for example, is probably still the #2 program ALL-TIME in the SEC statistically but a lot of Tennessee's success was 1930-1960 with Neyland and his successors. They had some good years in 1970s, rough time in 1980s with some good years with 1985 being notable and then had the Fulmer run.

However, Tennessee is NOT the #2 program in the SEC. Florida passed them (they recruit better, they perform better, and they own the series), Georgia passed Tennessee, Alabama was always ahead of Tennessee, Auburn is close to passing them, I consider this one a wash. LSU passed Tennessee recently. I wanted to bring up Tennessee because I know them and the situation in the SEC.

I feel the same way about Miami. People say they are not a blue blood but Miami has seen high level success more recently than the blue bloods listed above. It just seems odd they are so bad. Same is true with FSU but that is another topic and FSU is showing real life this year.
 
Volbound1700 said:
True and the ACC money is probably not helping. I imagine Clemson, FSU, and Miami are on the phone regularly with the B1G and SEC but that GOR has them hung up. Louisville and Virginia Tech maybe two others but I am not so sure about the rest of the league though as they are likely focused on Basketball and most of the rest of them probably won't get an invite (with the exception of UNC but I don't see UNC as having Football as their focus).

ACC is probably a divided league with the football group led by Clemson, FSU, and Miami vs. the basketball group led by UNC, Virginia, Duke, etc.
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Miami was in the Elite 8 last year.
The U is a basketball school now!
/ sarcasm
 
trojanfan12 said:
I've heard and read a few things over the years.

Commuter school - I've heard that the U is more of a commuter school. This could hurt attendance even with an on campus stadium as a lot of folks may not want that extra day of fighting traffic.
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Not a commuter school. It's a private selective school that draws heavily from the Northeast.
 
78Cyclones said:
Not a commuter school. It's a private selective school that draws heavily from the Northeast.
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Yeah, you have to have money to go there. I got a lot of interest from Miami for grad school and did campus visit. Did not go because of costs (it would have been $ 10k more per semester than even Vanderbilt once you factor in cost of living in Coral Gables!).

However, Miami is a BEAUTIFUL campus.
 
Deep Creek said:
I didn't see it. Was it as bad as UCLA's was last week?
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It looked about the same. I only caught the 3rd quarter so I don’t know how many bailed from kickoff
 
jjc2009 said:
It looked about the same. I only caught the 3rd quarter so I don’t know how many bailed from kickoff
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Catholics vs Convicts is the greatest tag line in CFB history.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Catholics vs Convicts is the greatest tag line in CFB history.
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Indeed. What a time it was.

Funny thing is I am good friends with a guy that played on those Canes teams.
 
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