Zelenskyy is urging NATO for more support. How much “support” should NATO give?

Red_Alert said:
Only from the west, northwest, and southwest, areas.
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So nah? I did click video but it didn't load instantly so shut it and didn't watch.
 
NU_FTW said:
So nah? I did click video but it didn't load instantly so shut it and didn't watch.
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the Russians withdrew from an airport. The military guys opinion was “if you withdraw from an airport you don’t intend to return (to that area)”. I’m not a military guy but that makes sense to me.

He then opined that Russia would focus on some Ukrainian port cities and suggested that bc they are vital NATO should use military to support them. I don’t agree with that.
 
dbldwn711 said:
the Russians withdrew from an airport. The military guys opinion was “if you withdraw from an airport you don’t intend to return (to that area)”. I’m not a military guy but that makes sense to me.

He then opined that Russia would focus on some Ukrainian port cities and suggested that bc they are vital NATO should use military to support them. I don’t agree with that.
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If Ukraine was NATO, but they aren't so the most we should do is "sell" them equipment.

Not our problem, and it's only destroying Russia's ability to project power

It's sad at the loss of life, but losing American lives over it won't help either
 
NU_FTW said:
So nah? I did click video but it didn't load instantly so shut it and didn't watch.
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The Rooskies are dug in like an Alabama tick in the East.

They pulled their forces from the west, northwest, and southwest, to fortify their occupied territory in the East.
 
Again, take this for what it’s worth. For me, I have zero interest in listening to what any talking head says about this war. I do however want to listen to and consider what some military strategist says about this war.

Tactics: Retired general shows how Ukraine can stop Russia's new move
 
dbldwn711 said:
the Russians withdrew from an airport. The military guys opinion was “if you withdraw from an airport you don’t intend to return (to that area)”. I’m not a military guy but that makes sense to me.

He then opined that Russia would focus on some Ukrainian port cities and suggested that bc they are vital NATO should use military to support them. I don’t agree with that.
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I think this is plausible. They will fortify and try to grow land in the east, and they will want as much seaboard as they can get in the south.

That’s why towns like Mariupol have just been savaged. They want the east and as much do the southern coast as they can get. While I haven’t done it I’m sure I could find some battle or war in Russias history that had similar geographical aims.

Kyiv….yeah they attacked it some with bombs and artillery…..but other than that they just parked a giant column nearby to occupy Ukrainian forces from the East.

I don’t think it was ever the plan to take Kyiv.
 
Orlando_Eagles said:
I think this is plausible. They will fortify and try to grow land in the east, and they will want as much seaboard as they can get in the south.

That’s why towns like Mariupol have just been savaged. They want the east and as much do the southern coast as they can get. While I haven’t done it I’m sure I could find some battle or war in Russias history that had similar geographical aims.

Kyiv….yeah they attacked it some with bombs and artillery…..but other than that they just parked a giant column nearby to occupy Ukrainian forces from the East.

I don’t think it was ever the plan to take Kyiv.
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kyviv involved going door to door type war. The Russians can’t fight that kind of war. I think they really expected citizens to welcome Russian forces rather than fight them. They are clearly realizing that’s not the case.
 
Orlando_Eagles said:
I think this is plausible. They will fortify and try to grow land in the east, and they will want as much seaboard as they can get in the south.

That’s why towns like Mariupol have just been savaged. They want the east and as much do the southern coast as they can get. While I haven’t done it I’m sure I could find some battle or war in Russias history that had similar geographical aims.

Kyiv….yeah they attacked it some with bombs and artillery…..but other than that they just parked a giant column nearby to occupy Ukrainian forces from the East.

I don’t think it was ever the plan to take Kyiv.
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Sure, I think the average Russian troop thought this as they were fed this narrative. But the brass knew better. They knew it would be such a mess to try to take this city.

That’s why I’m starting to realize that this was probably never an aim at all, but a ruse to distract from that they did want to get.
 
dbldwn711 said:
kyviv involved going door to door type war. The Russians can’t fight that kind of war. I think they really expected citizens to welcome Russian forces rather than fight them. They are clearly realizing that’s not the case.
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I think they expected a negotiation very quickly.

If there were one in the next few weeks, I’d still consider it very quickly.
 
dbldwn711 said:
Again, take this for what it’s worth. For me, I have zero interest in listening to what any talking head says about this war. I do however want to listen to and consider what some military strategist says about this war.

Tactics: Retired general shows how Ukraine can stop Russia's new move
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He's going to... graphic it to death?
 
Orlando_Eagles said:
Sure, I think the average Russian troop thought this as they were fed this narrative. But the brass knew better. They knew it would be such a mess to try to take this city.

That’s why I’m starting to realize that this was probably never an aim at all, but a ruse to distract from that they did want to get.
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they are accused of committing war crimes. They just discovered a mass grave with Ukrainian civilians. There are reports of over 10K Russian soldiers being killed. You think that’s a “ruse”? I think they bit off more than they could chew and they are trying to salvage what they can from this.
 
Orlando_Eagles said:
Sure, I think the average Russian troop thought this as they were fed this narrative. But the brass knew better. They knew it would be such a mess to try to take this city.

That’s why I’m starting to realize that this was probably never an aim at all, but a ruse to distract from that they did want to get.
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Exactly what Trump did. he would always start with over the top personal attacks, then settle in the middle where he wanted to be. he did it with every single adversary: Iran, China, DPRK, Russia, NATO, EU, Dem leaders, etc.
 
dbldwn711 said:
they are accused of committing war crimes. They just discovered a mass grave with Ukrainian civilians. There are reports of over 10K Russian soldiers being killed. You think that’s a “ruse”? I think they bit off more than they could chew and they are trying to salvage what they can from this.
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So here is something i dont get, who "finds" Russia "guilty" of these war crimes and what are teh consequences ? i mean i dont think russia really cares about it at this point
 
NU_FTW said:
So here is something i dont get, who "finds" Russia "guilty" of these war crimes and what are teh consequences ? i mean i dont think russia really cares about it at this point
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they get tried at The Hague.
 
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