So what is the latest news on the OU and Texas to SEC situation?

[WhosYourDawggy]

I think you are correct. It will be very hard for Big12 to stay relevant.

Cincinnati made the playoffs this year which is a BIG WIN for the future Big12 but I don't see that happening very often. Oklahoma State, Baylor, TCU, and UCF have had great teams recently but it seems like it is not consistent.

I think both Kansas State and Oklahoma State have the potential for continued success. UCF isn't as strong as the past but with the Florida programs struggling, there is potential for UCF as well.

However, all of these teams will have the Boise State/West Virginia syndrome in that they will get attention as that "fly on the ointment" spoiler team similar to Basketball Cinderella teams. This will only occur if they are good.

The new Big12 will definitely be better than any of the current mid-major teams but there is a HUGE gap between the new Big12 and the B1G/SEC on value.

I actually think the B12 will fit nicely in the lower 3 P5. With OU and TX to the SEC, they clearly won't be at the top level of SEC and B1G, but they won't be G5. They have too much going for them, especially in non-football sports, for them to be at G5 level.

With that said, they will be as relevant in football as the ACC and PAC are.

 

[Thiefery]

I hear nobody in these parts thinking Nebraska got the short end of the stick.

Economically Nebraska, Missouri, and A&M made out like bandits. Those (not named Oklahoma) who stuck around trusting tejas got the short end of the stick.

Is that even up for debate?

if you are talking money then yes Nebraska did not get the short end of the stick.. if you are talking about on field.. Mizzu atleast won it's division a couple times when it entered. Aggy has benefitted the most.. The money isn't all that big of a gap with ou and nebraska.. but ou has done better than anyone that left or stayed from the Big12.. but they got the short stick? really?

Not sure what this double dipping you are talking about. LHN is a deal to UT ONLY. It's a guaranteed deal that ESPN has to pay whether it stays through 2030 or if it stops tomorrow. How is that double dipping?

As for the remaining big12 members.. gonna be interesting to see who picks up their tv rights. NBC looks like it rather show soccer, ESPN has the SEC, ACC and parts of the BiG and PAC.. which I'm sure they will eventually relinquish.. FOX is all BiG and looks like they will be the exclusive network for them..

Which leaves the Pac, Big 12.. Maybe apple will throw the Pac a bone.. but as far as I see.. i can see both Fox and ESPN offering deals..but low ball offers.. they both have all the leverage

 

[Thiefery]

I actually think the B12 will fit nicely in the lower 3 P5. With OU and TX to the SEC, they clearly won't be at the top level of SEC and B1G, but they won't be G5. They have too much going for them, especially in non-football sports, for them to be at G5 level.

With that said, they will be as relevant in football as the ACC and PAC are.

on the field.. i think they still will be the 3rd best CFB conference.. and they still will be the best in CBB

Baseball? It's definitely the SEC now.. and perhaps softball too (Pac usually is strong there)

 

[Red_Alert]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready for TX/OU to get their asses to the SEC and for the Big 12 to expand with the G5 teams.
However I realize that TX/OU leaving to the SEC before 2025 will be a financial disaster for them and that is the reason for the silence and trepidation from both schools.

Make of this what you will, but here are the 2021/2022 bowl game ratings for BYU, UCF, Houston, and Cincy.
VS XX RTG = versus the 2020 rating
VS XX VWRS = versus the 2020 viewership
VS 19 RTG = versus the 2019 rating
VS 19 VWRS = versus the 2019 viewership.

12/18 - Independence Bowl: BYU/UAB
Rating: 1.9
Viewership: 3.2 million
Rating: Up 35% vs pre-covid 2019
Viewership: Up 36% vs pre-covid 2019
UAB 31 - 28

12/23 - Gasparilla Bowl: UCF/Florida
Rating: 1.7
Viewership: 3.2 million
Rating: Up 116% vs pre-covid 2019
Viewership: Up 177% vs pre-covid 2019
UCF 29-17

12/28 - Birmingham Bowl: Houston/Auburn
Rating: 1.4
Viewership: 2.3 million
Rating: Up 44% vs pre-covid 2019
Viewership: Up 51% vs pre-covid 2019
Houston 17-13

12/31 - Cotton Bowl: Cincy/Alabama
Rating: 8.6
Viewership: 16.6 million
Rating: Down 9% vs pre-covid 2019
Viewership: Down 3% from pre-covid 2019
Rating: Down 10% from 2020 (covid)
Viewership: Down 12% from 2020 (covid)
Bama 27-6

 

[Red_Alert]

if you are talking money then yes Nebraska did not get the short end of the stick.. if you are talking about on field.. Mizzu atleast won it's division a couple times when it entered. Aggy has benefitted the most.. The money isn't all that big of a gap with ou and nebraska.. but ou has done better than anyone that left or stayed from the Big12.. but they got the short stick? really?

Not sure what this double dipping you are talking about. LHN is a deal to UT ONLY. It's a guaranteed deal that ESPN has to pay whether it stays through 2030 or if it stops tomorrow. How is that double dipping?

As for the remaining big12 members.. gonna be interesting to see who picks up their tv rights. NBC looks like it rather show soccer, ESPN has the SEC, ACC and parts of the BiG and PAC.. which I'm sure they will eventually relinquish.. FOX is all BiG and looks like they will be the exclusive network for them..

Which leaves the Pac, Big 12.. Maybe apple will throw the Pac a bone.. but as far as I see.. i can see both Fox and ESPN offering deals..but low ball offers.. they both have all the leverage

Prove it!!

Let's see the SEC contract when adding tejas.
Let's see what it says about ESPN paying tejas for BOTH the LHN and SEC Network.

It's not happening, bruh.

 

[Thiefery]

Prove it!!

Let's see the SEC contract when adding tejas.
Let's see what it says about ESPN paying tejas for BOTH the LHN and SEC Network.

It's not happening, bruh.

It's a guaranteed deal.. UT had ESPN bent over, all because they did not want us to leave to the PAC. now Chip is foolish thinking UT is going to pay ou's tab to leave..

 

[Red_Alert]

BTW

Oklahoma/Oregon Alamo Bowl rating was down 14% from pre-covid 2019. Viewership was down 16% from pre-covid 2019.
Rating: 2.7
Viewership: 4.7 million
So Rating and Viewership both higher than BYU, UCF, Houston

tejas: Not bowl eligible

Of course BYU, UCF, Houston, and Cincy might get better guaranteed bowls once they join the Big 12 with their tie-ins.

 

[Red_Alert]

It's a guaranteed deal.. UT had ESPN bent over, all because they did not want us to leave to the PAC. now Chip is foolish thinking UT is going to pay ou's tab to leave..

"A source close to the situation"

No homerism there. LOL

 

[Thiefery]

BTW

Oklahoma/Oregon Alamo Bowl rating was down 14% from pre-covid 2019. Viewership was down 16% from pre-covid 2019.
Rating: 2.7
Viewership: 4.7 million
So Rating and Viewership both higher than BYU, UCF, Houston

tejas: Not bowl eligible

Of course BYU, UCF, Houston, and Cincy might get better guaranteed bowls once they join the Big 12 with their tie-ins.

yeah that's going to be a tough sell as far as rivalry games.. Baylor vs TCU isn't that big.. Baylor vs Tech? Baylor vs UH? lol think the biggest rivalry in the state would be TCU vs SMU still

 

[Thiefery]

"A source close to the situation"

No homerism there. LOL

bro looking at this deal.. UT was getting so much more than the 15 (closer to 20 mil now) that's been reported. ESPN also gave money for programming.. no wonder why they just show replays.. keep the overhead down and pocket the remaining budget money lol

also Fox offered 3 mil a year for UTs 3rd tier rights.. ESPN came in and threw 300 mil at them.. Life is good as king.. (or a then king)

 

[OlyDuck]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready for TX/OU to get their asses to the SEC and for the Big 12 to expand with the G5 teams.
However I realize that TX/OU leaving to the SEC before 2025 will be a financial disaster for them and that is the reason for the silence and trepidation from both schools.

Make of this what you will, but here are the 2021/2022 bowl game ratings for BYU, UCF, Houston, and Cincy.
VS XX RTG = versus the 2020 rating
VS XX VWRS = versus the 2020 viewership
VS 19 RTG = versus the 2019 rating
VS 19 VWRS = versus the 2019 viewership.

12/18 - Independence Bowl: BYU/UAB
Rating: 1.9
Viewership: 3.2 million
Rating: Up 35% vs pre-covid 2019
Viewership: Up 36% vs pre-covid 2019
UAB 31 - 28

12/23 - Gasparilla Bowl: UCF/Florida
Rating: 1.7
Viewership: 3.2 million
Rating: Up 116% vs pre-covid 2019
Viewership: Up 177% vs pre-covid 2019
UCF 29-17

12/28 - Birmingham Bowl: Houston/Auburn
Rating: 1.4
Viewership: 2.3 million
Rating: Up 44% vs pre-covid 2019
Viewership: Up 51% vs pre-covid 2019
Houston 17-13

12/31 - Cotton Bowl: Cincy/Alabama
Rating: 8.6
Viewership: 16.6 million
Rating: Down 9% vs pre-covid 2019
Viewership: Down 3% from pre-covid 2019
Rating: Down 10% from 2020 (covid)
Viewership: Down 12% from 2020 (covid)
Bama 27-6

thats not exactly fair to say its because of the those teams.
the gasparilla bowl in 19 had UCF and Marshall. are you trying to say it went up because UCF was in it again? or maybe Florida had something to do with it. not just Florida but also the match up with a big vs little Florida school.
Birmingham was Cinic and BC. again change to an SEC school and you have a pretty big ratings jump.
surprised by Cotton bowl considering it wasnt a playoff in 19 but likely people expected the blowout

 

[Thiefery]

thats not exactly fair to say its because of the those teams.
the gasparilla bowl in 19 had UCF and Marshall. are you trying to say it went up because UCF was in it again? or maybe Florida had something to do with it. not just Florida but also the match up with a big vs little Florida school.
Birmingham was Cinic and BC. again change to an SEC school and you have a pretty big ratings jump.
surprised by Cotton bowl considering it wasnt a playoff in 19 but likely people expected the blowout

which games, in conference, will be the bell and whistle to the new look Big12?

Cincy and Houston?

 

[Red_Alert]

thats not exactly fair to say its because of the those teams.
the gasparilla bowl in 19 had UCF and Marshall. are you trying to say it went up because UCF was in it again? or maybe Florida had something to do with it. not just Florida but also the match up with a big vs little Florida school.
Birmingham was Cinic and BC. again change to an SEC school and you have a pretty big ratings jump.
surprised by Cotton bowl considering it wasnt a playoff in 19 but likely people expected the blowout

That's why I said "Make of this what you will"

Rating and Viewership were down across the board vs pre-covid 2019 for the top bowls, with the exception of the Rose Bowl which was up a mere 2% on Viewership, but still down 6% on Rating

 

[Red_Alert]

which games, in conference, will be the bell and whistle to the new look Big12?

Cincy and Houston?

The cream will rise to the top.

A lot of it will depend on "new look" Big 12 teams OOC and Bowl results.

UCF beat Florida
Houston beat Auburn

Inevitable SEC didn't want to be there

 

[Wild Turkey]

lol. ESPN pays UT for LHN no matter what it was a guaranteed deal.. and LOL again that UT/ou will be playing for nothing LOOLLLLLLLLLLL

LOL at you if you think the SEC would agree to a deal that guarantees one team 8 million more in revenue.

You will be turning those 2nd tier rights over to the SEC and the money losing LHN will be folded into the SEC network.

You ain’t special no more big guy and equal to Miss State and Vandy. Get used to it.

 

[Red_Alert]

Okie jr beat Notre Dame 37-35 in the Fiesta Bowl
Cincy beat Notre Dame 24-13 in the regular season

 

[Red_Alert]

LOL at you if you think the SEC would agree to a deal that guarantees one team 8 million more in revenue.

You will be turning those 2nd tier rights over to the SEC and the money losing LHN will be folded into the SEC network.

You ain’t special no more big guy and equal to Miss State and Vandy. Get used to it.

Not to mention ESPN paying them twice (even 3 times) for the same content.

I see it like this....

"Hey tejas.....If you want to keep the LHN revenue, then you'll give up all revenue from ESPN's SEC Network and ESPN+.
Regards, ESPN and the SEC"

 

[Thiefery]

LOL at you if you think the SEC would agree to a deal that guarantees one team 8 million more in revenue.

You will be turning those 2nd tier rights over to the SEC and the money losing LHN will be folded into the SEC network.

You ain’t special no more big guy and equal to Miss State and Vandy. Get used to it.

lol it doesn't guarantee anything.. it's just money owed to UT. lol wait is the SEC going to limit how much donors contribute to the program too? LOL

actually i can see that with all the crying aggy is making the conference do

 

[Thiefery]

Not to mention ESPN paying them twice (even 3 times) for the same content.

I see it like this....

"Hey tejas.....If you want to keep the LHN revenue, then you'll give up all revenue from ESPN's SEC Network and ESPN+.
Regards, ESPN and the SEC"

jesus christ you guys don't get it.. tier 1 and 2 is property of the big 12.. UT gives up it's tier 3 rights when they go to the SEC.. LHN is not going to the SEC, it's going dark. LHN was a channel that was guaranteed 300 mil, the 160 mil or whatever it is still going to UT.. and UT only. it's not part of the 3rd tier anymore since the SEC isn't going to absorb it.

y'all trash the network and say it only loses money but all of the sudden WANT to get a piece of it.. LOL.. hate to break it to y'all but SEC ain't touching the LHN monies.. now or in 2025 or in 2031

 

[Red_Alert]

lol it doesn't guarantee anything.. it's just money owed to UT. lol wait is the SEC going to limit how much donors contribute to the program too? LOL

actually i can see that with all the crying aggy is making the conference do

Bro. The SEC already has a LHN type agreement with ESPN.

It's called ESPN+

ESPN+ is guaranteed a donghorn game. Just like the LHN has.
ESPN+ is for "other" sports. Just like the LHN.

The SEC and ESPN is not gonna let the donghorns double (even triple) dip revenue for the same content.