So what is the latest news on the OU and Texas to SEC situation?

SEC is historically the strongest league in Baseball and Women's Basketball. You clearly haven't paid attention to those sports. In fact, I think the SEC has the last 4 titles in Baseball. Miss State beat Vandy last year in the title game for Baseball. South Carolina won the National Title in Women's Basketball.

Men's Basketball we are lower tier but OU and Texas won't help that much (you don't hurt). OU and Texas are pretty much same level as Auburn or Tennessee right now in Basketball. We really need someone at the level of a Kentucky (Kansas would be nice or UNC).

Oklahoma will help in Softball, definitely, but the SEC has been strong in Softball lately. This year the SEC wasn't that strong but in the past several years SEC teams have won it or been in the Title game.

Not sure about the other sports since they are rarely on TV but I think Georgia has one of the strongest women's gymnastic program historically, Arkansas is strong in track, Tennessee was strong in swimming.
UConn and Baylor have owned womens basketball the last 25 years. OU has a good basketball pedigree. Recent national players of the year in Blake Griffin, Buddy Heild, and Tre Young. Along with final fours.

I know Florida won back to back titles in softball but so did OU. If Oklahoma wins it this weekend that will be 5 titles in 9 years.
 
I'll say this of the 8 super regionals in baseball there are 5 SEC teams and if Texas & OU were in the league there would be seven meaning there would be an SEC in every super-regional except one.

The SEC is the biggest power in football and baseball right now and the men's basketball is picking up steam as it ain't a KY and everyone else league anymore.
 
UConn and Baylor have owned womens basketball the last 25 years. OU has a good basketball pedigree. Recent national players of the year in Blake Griffin, Buddy Heild, and Tre Young. Along with final fours.

I know Florida won back to back titles in softball but so did OU. If Oklahoma wins it this weekend that will be 5 titles in 9 years.

Oklahoma is not a National Power in Men's Basketball. I could point out Tennessee's great players like Allan Houston, Grant Williams, Bernard King, Ernie Grunfield, etc. Oklahoma won't hurt and would be competitive in Men's Basketball but you are not going to come in and dominate nor do I see you on the level of a National Contender in Men's Basketball (the only program that is year-in and year-out contending in the SEC is Kentucky).

Baseball was laughable because the SEC is the only league to have 4 College World Series Appearances in a single season and they have done it twice. They have won the last 2 National Titles and have won, 3 of the last 4, and 5 of the last 7 National Titles. They have been as historically dominate in Baseball as they are in Football.

Regarding Women's Basketball:

Tennessee is the #2 all-time program after UConn and likely would have stayed on par with UConn if not for Pat Summit getting dementia. Tennessee Lady Vols had a decent season in 2022 despite significant injuries and maybe on the way back. LSU, South Carolina, Georgia, Texas A&M, and Vanderbilt all have been historically competitive in Women's Basketball making Final Fours and even winning National Titles. Read the last sentence below about SEC Final Fours (more than twice of ANY other league).
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Softball, Oklahoma is EXCELLENT but that doesn't mean the SEC is weak. SEC only started playing Softball in the early 2000s so there stats are misleading. It is still a new sport for the league and the league is starting to become a power in it. Softball has historically been dominated by the Pac12 but it is a little misleading as many teams did not have teams until late 1990s/early 2000s.

You need to educate yourself on these facts if you plan to join the SEC :).
 
Another HUGE reason the OU and Texas move will pay out for the programs is that it eliminates regional competition.

Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU are now relegated to a "B" league with football players. They will be seen as the second option. Until now, you could make these programs had the card to play of being in the same league and level of competition as Oklahoma and Texas. That is now gone.

There are now only two true in-state top tier Texas Schools (Texas and Texas A&M). No more sharing recruits with Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, etc. They are now in a lower tier.
That "card" isn't gone because those four never had it to play in the first place. Check out recruiting rankings for those the past five years. OU and Texas were #1 and #2 every year...even though Texas was a lousy #25 one year.

2021
10 - OU
15 - Texas
31 - Oklahoma State
41 - Baylor
53 - TCU
74 - Texas Tech

2020
8 - Texas
13 - OU
23 - TCU
40 - Oklahoma State
48 - Texas Tech
49 - Baylor

2019
3 - Texas
6 - OU
31 - TCU
35 - Oklahoma State
36 - Baylor
62 - Texas Tech

2018
3 - Texas
9 - OU
25 - TCU
29 - Baylor
34 - Oklahoma State
72 - Texas Tech

2017
8 - OU
25 - Texas
28 - TCU
38 - Oklahoma State
40 - Baylor
49 - Texas Tech
 
Oklahoma is not a National Power in Men's Basketball. I could point out Tennessee's great players like Allan Houston, Grant Williams, Bernard King, Ernie Grunfield, etc. Oklahoma won't hurt and would be competitive in Men's Basketball but you are not going to come in and dominate nor do I see you on the level of a National Contender in Men's Basketball (the only program that is year-in and year-out contending in the SEC is Kentucky).

Baseball was laughable because the SEC is the only league to have 4 College World Series Appearances in a single season and they have done it twice. They have won the last 2 National Titles and have won, 3 of the last 4, and 5 of the last 7 National Titles. They have been as historically dominate in Baseball as they are in Football.

Regarding Women's Basketball:

Tennessee is the #2 all-time program after UConn and likely would have stayed on par with UConn if not for Pat Summit getting dementia. Tennessee Lady Vols had a decent season in 2022 despite significant injuries and maybe on the way back. LSU, South Carolina, Georgia, Texas A&M, and Vanderbilt all have been historically competitive in Women's Basketball making Final Fours and even winning National Titles. Read the last sentence below about SEC Final Fours (more than twice of ANY other league).
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Softball, Oklahoma is EXCELLENT but that doesn't mean the SEC is weak. SEC only started playing Softball in the early 2000s so there stats are misleading. It is still a new sport for the league and the league is starting to become a power in it. Softball has historically been dominated by the Pac12 but it is a little misleading as many teams did not have teams until late 1990s/early 2000s.

You need to educate yourself on these facts if you plan to join the SEC :).
Well OU's first softball title didn't come until 2000. They sucked before then. Natty Patty has made them what they are. OU has dominated gymnastics too although Florida has been pretty good. Should be some good battles there.
 
Well OU's first softball title didn't come until 2000. They sucked before then. Natty Patty has made them what they are. OU has dominated gymnastics too although Florida has been pretty good. Should be some good battles there.

Understand. All-around sports, both Oklahoma and Texas bring a lot. I agree with your assessment. I just think you should have worded it better :). You made it sound like the SEC was a chump league in these other sports.

With the exception of Men's Basketball, the SEC is at the top or near the top of most of these other sports as well.
 
To me, you shouldn't be concerned about falling to Nebraska levels. That has to do with a ton of things that OU doesn't have to worry about, primarily the ability to recruit. Nebraska's problems preceded moving to the B1G.

I would expect that OU will be in the top Tier with UGA, UF, and LSU - Bama is in the top Tier+, for now. Those three teams have won NCs in the last 2 decades, and I would expect that your tradition will allow you to compete at that level.

What you won't be able to do is dominate at the level you are used to in the B12. Bama is the only team to ever do that in the SEC. Even UTjr and UF when they were hot only won an NC here and there, 2 at a time at best for UF. What Bama is doing is all-time crazy for CFB. But the SEC has had 6 different teams win NC in the last 25 years - UGA, Bama, LSU, Auburn, UF, UTjr. OU and UT have also done that in the same time period.

So long as you don't expect to dominate like you did in the B12, you will do fine. And you will get to watch a ton of good football.

Tell us more, grampa.

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I just gave you the numbers.

Since it's formation, there has only been ONE consistent formidable opponent in the Big 12.

That is Oklahoma.

The SEC is picking up ONE formidable opponent and two names.

That is all.
yeah.. it's going to be a real shock when schools have to give away tix for free whenever UT is in town
Y'all think people scramble to their tv sets on Saturdays to watch tejas.

tejas is not even in the Top 10 teams in college football viewership.
Oklahoma is.

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tejas ranks in the viewership ratings with the Wisconsin's and Michigan St's of CFB.

Yeah... ESPN and the SEC are gonna let tejas double, triple, and even quadruple dip ESPN and SEC revenue.

Sure thing. LMFAO!!!!
wow imagine that.. people don't want to see a 5-7 team.. Brilliant!
What you don't seem to understand is that the LHN will cease to exist after UT and OU enter the SEC and all its assets will be folded into the SEC.

If the money ESPN "owes" UT is given to the Big 12 in order to buy out UT and OU then basically what is happening is that ESPN is purchasing UT and OU games early to keep them off FOX.

I think it is hysterical that you think Texas will be able to play the same games they have been doing over the years in the SEC because I can promise you it will not happen. The best you are going to be able to do is maybe get one pay-per-view game a year but the truth is the big teams in the SEC have all their games televised so it has to be a really crappy game to not get picked up.

If you think I am wrong then why would Texas agree to pay for OU to also get out of the conference? Is Texas just going to forfeit tens of millions in revenue to the benefit of Oklahoma out of the goodness of their heart? No. Try using your brain.
LHN isn't a UT asset.. like why do you think that it's part of the SEC now.. it's not.
Oklahoma and the SEC will mutually increase each other's viewership numbers.

The SEC will increase tejas viewership numbers. NOT the other way around.

If little ol' me can dig up these relevant numbers in a matter of minutes, don't you think the bean counters at ESPN and the SEC did so before taking tejas in based solely on name?
Yeah wonder why every conference would have taken UT in a heartbeat? those idiots don't understand people don't watch them!!
Like I stated.... The SEC will raise tejas viewership numbers, not the other way around.
Oklahoma and the SEC will mutually raise viewership numbers.

tejas also draws majority Texas eyeballs.

A&M already draws Texas eyeballs.

There wasn't much for ESPN and the SEC to gain by taking tejas other than a name recognition blueblood.

How has that worked for the Big 10 and Nebraska?

Yeah. I can be humble. tejas fans can't, doh.
lol.... just name recognition.. that type gets you 300 mil guaranteed in a channel..

oh no aggy owns all the eyeballs in Texas.. hopefully we can now compete with SMU vs RIce on saturday afternoon.. DOOMED!!

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Oklahoma is not a National Power in Men's Basketball. I could point out Tennessee's great players like Allan Houston, Grant Williams, Bernard King, Ernie Grunfield, etc. Oklahoma won't hurt and would be competitive in Men's Basketball but you are not going to come in and dominate nor do I see you on the level of a National Contender in Men's Basketball (the only program that is year-in and year-out contending in the SEC is Kentucky).

Baseball was laughable because the SEC is the only league to have 4 College World Series Appearances in a single season and they have done it twice. They have won the last 2 National Titles and have won, 3 of the last 4, and 5 of the last 7 National Titles. They have been as historically dominate in Baseball as they are in Football.

Regarding Women's Basketball:

Tennessee is the #2 all-time program after UConn and likely would have stayed on par with UConn if not for Pat Summit getting dementia. Tennessee Lady Vols had a decent season in 2022 despite significant injuries and maybe on the way back. LSU, South Carolina, Georgia, Texas A&M, and Vanderbilt all have been historically competitive in Women's Basketball making Final Fours and even winning National Titles. Read the last sentence below about SEC Final Fours (more than twice of ANY other league).
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Softball, Oklahoma is EXCELLENT but that doesn't mean the SEC is weak. SEC only started playing Softball in the early 2000s so there stats are misleading. It is still a new sport for the league and the league is starting to become a power in it. Softball has historically been dominated by the Pac12 but it is a little misleading as many teams did not have teams until late 1990s/early 2000s.

You need to educate yourself on these facts if you plan to join the SEC :).
why is that table not including the 1986 Lady Horns national title??
 
I don't know what point you are making? That OU can have some bad years? Sure they had some bad years, all programs do.

They also won a natty 3 years later and went 13-0. They have been a top 5 program the past 2 decades. You think Nebraska can do that even if when you can't recruit at the level of OU?

Do you really think they are going to drop to that level?

As for calling me grampa, you really think that's an insult? LOL ... I am not a gramp, but I am mature unlike you. With age comes wisdom and wealth ... I am enjoying life just fine. If you want to insult me, you have to try harder than that.
 
Ok, that's more interesting. I don't have a dog in the hunt, so do a top to bottom comparison:

Baylor v. USC
OkSU v. Oregon
BYU v. Utah
...

all the way through and let's see top to bottom what that looks like. I am afraid that based on the past decade's performance, it's going to be closer than you think. Certainly close enough that with Clemson, FSU, Miami, and a few other better teams in the ACC you can see where all 3 conferences will be bunched together in the $50-$55 million range.
5 year win% between Pac, ACC, and Big XII-2+4
but again UCF, Cinci, BYU and Houston should be taken with consideration to their current conference (BYU indi)


Clemson 88.4UCF 80.7Oregon 68.9
NC State 62.9Cinci 76.2Utah 66.7
Miami 61.3OK St 70.3Washington 62.5
WF 61.3BYU 60.9Washington State 60.7
Pitt 57.8Iowa State 60.9USC 57.9
Virginia 54.8Houston 57.6AZ st 57.1
Virginia Tech 54TCU 55.7Stanford 50.9
Boston College 52.5Kansas State 54.1Cal 48.2
Louisville 45.2West Virginia 53.3UCLA 42.9
Florida State 44.1Baylor 53.2Colorado 42.6
North Carolina 42.6Texas Tech 43.3AZ 31.5
Syracuse 41.7Kansas 15.8Oregon State 30.4
Duke 41
GT 36.2

I could do 10 year trend if you want it changes things a bit
Clemson 87.6 Oregon 71.7 Oklahoma state 68.8
 
I don't know what point you are making? That OU can have some bad years? Sure they had some bad years, all programs do.

They also won a natty 3 years later and went 13-0. They have been a top 5 program the past 2 decades. You think Nebraska can do that even if when you can't recruit at the level of OU?

Do you really think they are going to drop to that level?

As for calling me grampa, you really think that's an insult? LOL ... I am not a gramp, but I am mature unlike you. With age comes wisdom and wealth ... I am enjoying life just fine. If you want to insult me, you have to try harder than that.

LOL

Triggered much?
 
5 year win% between Pac, ACC, and Big XII-2+4
but again UCF, Cinci, BYU and Houston should be taken with consideration to their current conference (BYU indi)


Clemson 88.4UCF 80.7Oregon 68.9
NC State 62.9Cinci 76.2Utah 66.7
Miami 61.3OK St 70.3Washington 62.5
WF 61.3BYU 60.9Washington State 60.7
Pitt 57.8Iowa State 60.9USC 57.9
Virginia 54.8Houston 57.6AZ st 57.1
Virginia Tech 54TCU 55.7Stanford 50.9
Boston College 52.5Kansas State 54.1Cal 48.2
Louisville 45.2West Virginia 53.3UCLA 42.9
Florida State 44.1Baylor 53.2Colorado 42.6
North Carolina 42.6Texas Tech 43.3AZ 31.5
Syracuse 41.7Kansas 15.8Oregon State 30.4
Duke 41
GT 36.2

I could do 10 year trend if you want it changes things a bit
Clemson 87.6 Oregon 71.7 Oklahoma state 68.8
Agreed on the new guys, they’ll play better teams now. Man, not sure I saw that coming. Maybe we now know why they think the three of those conferences will make the money they ate making by 2026.
 
You mean talking on a sports board? And I’m not triggered, my team is good, yours sucks. Why would I be triggered?


I don't know what point you are making? That OU can have some bad years? Sure they had some bad years, all programs do.

They also won a natty 3 years later and went 13-0. They have been a top 5 program the past 2 decades. You think Nebraska can do that even if when you can't recruit at the level of OU?

Do you really think they are going to drop to that level?

As for calling me grampa, you really think that's an insult? LOL ... I am not a gramp, but I am mature unlike you. With age comes wisdom and wealth ... I am enjoying life just fine. If you want to insult me, you have to try harder than that.

^^ THAT is clearly triggered ^^

To the point of mental breakdown. LOL
 
saw this on twitter.. yeah big12 is going to miss is for sure
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You’re forgetting UCF wit dat Natty bruh
 
You are not even a good troll. Head back to the kiddies table while the adults talk football.
To me, you shouldn't be concerned about falling to Nebraska levels. That has to do with a ton of things that OU doesn't have to worry about, primarily the ability to recruit.


You can't handle being corrected with a fact.

Oklahoma HAS fallen to Nebraska levels. WITH the recruiting advantages you speak of.
STFU, with your emotional baggage.
Maybe TrustMeIAmRight will be along to give you a reach around to make you feel better. LOL
 
You can't handle being corrected with a fact.

Oklahoma HAS fallen to Nebraska levels. WITH the recruiting advantages you speak of.
STFU, with your emotional baggage.
Maybe TrustMeIAmRight will be along to give you a reach around to make you feel better. LOL
Pipe down at the kiddies table … adults taking over here! You can go play outside if you want.
 
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