Lol @ meat chicken celebrating their fake championship

I will indulge those that are using the justification for why Michigan's '97 title isn't legit. Lets just say your logic is correct. Then
Nebraska's titles in 1970, 1971, 1994, and 1995 fall under the same reasoning.

Sure you want to die on that hill?
 
NU_FTW said:
You didn't win anything. You didn't even play all the games before receiving kindling, and you ran like scared bitches to the rose bowl to try and save face
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The AP saw all the games they needed to see.
 
ThePeoplesChicken said:
I will indulge those that are using the justification for why Michigan's '97 title isn't legit. Lets just say your logic is correct. Then
Nebraska's titles in 1970, 1971, 1994, and 1995 fall under the same reasoning.

Sure you want to die on that hill?
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You would be wrong. Go back to being a Cincinnati fan
 
NU_FTW said:
Wrong. They voted before Michigan got destroyed for being pussies not playing outside the rose bowl
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It's funny that lesser conferences created a club that automatically crowns a national champion and you thought that it meant something to to kings of College Football.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It's funny that lesser conferences created a club that automatically crowns a national champion and you thought that it meant something to to kings of College Football.
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Lesser? Lolol big ten wanted to guarantee a win in the rose against PAC pussies. Keep trying pudding brain
 
Red_Alert said:
1997 Final AP Poll

Michigan played three bowl teams:
#9 Washington St (10-2) Lost 15-21 to Michigan in the Rose Bowl
#12 Ohio St (10-3) Lost 14-31 to Florida St in the Sugar Bowl
#16 Penn St (9-3) ) Lost 6-21 to Florida in the Citrus Bowl

Nebraska played five bowl teams:
#7 Tennessee (11-2) Lost 17-42 to Nebraska in the Orange Bowl
#8 Kansas St (11-1) Beat Syracuse 35-18 in the Fiesta Bowl
#18 Washington (8-4) Beat Michigan St 51-23 in the Aloha Bowl
#20 Texas A&M (9-4) Lost 23-29 to UCLA in the Cotton Bowl
#23 Missouri (7-5) Lost 24-35 to Colorado St in the Holiday Bowl

Michigan opponents bowl records (0-2)
Nebraska opponents bowl records (2-2)

Michigan struggled with Washington St in the Rose Bowl (by 5 pts).
Ohio St lost by 17 pts
Penn St lost by 15 pts


Nebraska housed Tennessee in the Orange Bowl (by 25 pts).
Kansas St won by 17 pts
Washington won by 28 pts
A&M lost by 6 pts
Missouri lost by 11 pts
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If only UM and Nebraska had played some common opponents, instead of grasping at straws and using matchups of teams one or the other didn't even face. Oh wait -- they did have common opponents? Nebraska must have blown the doors off those common opponents, while UM struggled, with the way you talk about 1997 Nebraska.

Well -- both teams played Baylor. Michigan won 38-3, while putting up 540 yards of offense and only giving up 153 yards of offense. Nebraska won 49-21, while putting up 548 yards of offense and only giving up 203 yards of offense. Pretty comparable, but UM was more dominate.

Oh -- both teams played Colorado too? Michigan beat Colorado 27-3, so Nebraska had to really blow them out. Wait a minute -- Nebraska only beat Colorado 27-24 and Colorado had the ball driving in the final minute to beat them? That can't be possible. UM only gave up 220 yards of offense to Colorado and picked off their QB 4 times, while holding him to 18 for 48 passing. Obviously Nebraska did the same, right? This can't be right -- Colorado threw for 362 yards on Nebraska and put up 455 yards of offense in the game or over twice the amount they put up on Michigan.

My word -- two common opponents. Both games UM beat them much worse than Nebraska. I mean, Colorado had more total offense than Nebraska in their game -- hell -- Colorado put more yards of offense against Nebraska, than UM gave up to Colorado AND Baylor.

Let's not forget about the Mighty Missouri game for Nebraska either, where it took kicking a ball into the air miracle on the final play, just to force OT. As you so graciously pointed out -- Mighty Missouri finished with 6 losses on the season, though it should have been 5 because they really did beat Nebraska.
 
NU_FTW said:
Lesser? Lolol big ten wanted to guarantee a win in the rose against PAC pussies. Keep trying pudding brain
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Yes -- the Big 10 in 1946 came up with the devious plan to have the Big 10 champ play the PAC champ each year in the Rose Bowl, because they knew 51 years later, it would screw over Nebraska and make their coach retire to try and garner sympathy votes at the end of the year. :pound:
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Yes -- the Big 10 in 1946 came up with the devious plan to have the Big 10 champ play the PAC champ each year in the Rose Bowl, because they knew 51 years later, it would screw over Nebraska and make their coach retire to try and garner sympathy votes at the end of the year. :pound:
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It was the reason to keep the outdated practice. Keep spinning
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I’m sure UCF thinks they got screwed by the system too. That’s what lesser schools think.
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Except it would be like UCF refusing to play Alabama and still claiming the title.... you're UCF, always have been
 
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ThePeoplesChicken said:
I will indulge those that are using the justification for why Michigan's '97 title isn't legit. Lets just say your logic is correct. Then
Nebraska's titles in 1970, 1971, 1994, and 1995 fall under the same reasoning.

Sure you want to die on that hill?
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1970
#3 Nebraska (10-0-1) beat #5 LSU (9-2) in the Orange Bowl and were the only undefeated team to finish the season.
#1 Texas (10-0) lost the Cotton Bowl (11-24) to #6 Notre Dame.
#2 Ohio St (9-0) lost the Rose Bowl (17-27) to #12 Stanford.
#4 Tennessee (10-1) SEC champ beat #11 Air Force in the Sugar Bowl.

I support your point in that #1 Texas should have played #2 Ohio St for the Natty.
i.e. With Ohio St hiding in the Rose Bowl vs a PAC 10 opponent, Nebraska back doored their way to the NC.

1971
#1 Nebraska (12-0) beat #2 Alabama (11-0) 38-6 in the Orange Bowl.
#1 Nebraska had already beaten #3 Oklahoma.
#4 Michigan (11-0) hid in the Rose bowl and lost to #16 Stanford.

That would have been a legit Natty for Nebraska in either the Bowl Coalition, Bowl Alliance, or BCS.

1994
#1 Nebraska (12-0) beat #3 Miami (10-1) in the Orange Bowl
#2 Penn St (11-0) beat #12 Oregon (9-3) in the Rose Bowl
#4 Colorado had already lost to Nebraska and finished the season AP #3.

I support your point that #1 Nebraska should have played #2 Penn St for the Natty.
However, instead of joining the Bowl Coalition, the Big 10 was (once again) hiding in the Rose Bowl against a lesser opponent.

1995
#1 Nebraska (11-0) beat #2 Florida (12-0) in the Fiesta Bowl.
#3 Northwestern hid in the Rose Bowl and lost to #17 USC.
#4 Tennessee (10-1) beat #5 Ohio St in the Citrus Bowl.
#2 Florida had already beaten #4 Tennessee 62-37

That would have been a legit Natty for Nebraska in either the Bowl Coalition, Bowl Alliance, or BCS.

1997

#1 Michigan (11-0) beat #8 Washington St (10 - 1) in the Rose Bowl
#2 Nebraska (12-0) beat #3 Tennessee (11-1) in the Orange Bowl
#4 Florida St (10-1) beat #9 Ohio St (10-2) in the Sugar Bowl

I support your point that #1 Michigan should have played #2 Nebraska for the Natty.
However, instead of joining the Bowl Coalition, the Big 10 was (once again) hiding in the Rose Bowl against a lesser opponent.

There is a clear pattern of Big 10 teams hiding in the Rose Bowl against lesser opponents.

1970: #2 Ohio St vs #12 Stanford (loss)
1971: #4 Michigan vs #16 Stanford (loss)
1994: #2 Penn St vs #12 Oregon (win)
1995: #3 Northwestern vs #17 USC (loss)
1997: #1 Michigan vs #8 Washington St (win)

Average Big 10 Rose Bowl opponent ranking: #13

On the other hand....
1970: #3 Nebraska vs #5 LSU (win)
1971: #1 Nebraska vs #2 Alabama (win)
1994: #1 Nebraska vs #3 Miami (win)
1995: #1 Nebraska vs #2 Florida (win)
1997: #2 Nebraska vs #3 Tennessee (win)

Average Nebraska all bowls opponent ranking: #3

That is just for the 5 Nebraska NC's. I'm sure you'd see a similar pattern of the Big 10 hiding in the Rose Bowl for all years regarding NC's pre-CFP.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
If only UM and Nebraska had played some common opponents, instead of grasping at straws and using matchups of teams one or the other didn't even face. Oh wait -- they did have common opponents? Nebraska must have blown the doors off those common opponents, while UM struggled, with the way you talk about 1997 Nebraska.

Well -- both teams played Baylor. Michigan won 38-3, while putting up 540 yards of offense and only giving up 153 yards of offense. Nebraska won 49-21, while putting up 548 yards of offense and only giving up 203 yards of offense. Pretty comparable, but UM was more dominate.

Oh -- both teams played Colorado too? Michigan beat Colorado 27-3, so Nebraska had to really blow them out. Wait a minute -- Nebraska only beat Colorado 27-24 and Colorado had the ball driving in the final minute to beat them? That can't be possible. UM only gave up 220 yards of offense to Colorado and picked off their QB 4 times, while holding him to 18 for 48 passing. Obviously Nebraska did the same, right? This can't be right -- Colorado threw for 362 yards on Nebraska and put up 455 yards of offense in the game or over twice the amount they put up on Michigan.

My word -- two common opponents. Both games UM beat them much worse than Nebraska. I mean, Colorado had more total offense than Nebraska in their game -- hell -- Colorado put more yards of offense against Nebraska, than UM gave up to Colorado AND Baylor.

Let's not forget about the Mighty Missouri game for Nebraska either, where it took kicking a ball into the air miracle on the final play, just to force OT. As you so graciously pointed out -- Mighty Missouri finished with 6 losses on the season, though it should have been 5 because they really did beat Nebraska.
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Baylor and Colorado were both in-conference foes that Nebraska played on the road.

Michigan got both non-conference and in Ann Arbor.

Nebraska is Colorado's rival and was the ONLY team RED lettered on the schedule in the Colorado locker room. The game was played in high altitude Boulder as opposed to the comfort of fans in Ann Arbor.

Michigan is 4-1 vs Colorado with the ONLY game played in Bolder (1996) being a 7 point win.
 
Red_Alert said:
Baylor and Colorado were both in-conference foes that Nebraska played on the road.

Michigan got both non-conference and in Ann Arbor.

Nebraska is Colorado's rival and was the ONLY team RED lettered on the schedule in the Colorado locker room. The game was played in high altitude Boulder as opposed to the comfort of fans in Ann Arbor.

Michigan is 4-1 vs Colorado with the ONLY game played in Bolder (1996) being a 7
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But wait -- as dominant as Nebraska was, they OBVIOUSLY would blow those teams away, right?

Or are you trying to say, using teams Michigan DIDN'T FACE is a much better way to compare the two teams?!?

If that makes sense to you, I'm sorry I cannot help you. The only way to compare the two teams is to look at the teams they BOTH PLAYED.

But keep making excuses about our common opponents and why UM blew the. Both out while Nebraska didn't and tell us more about the teams only Nebraska faced or only Michigan faced, because THAT makes complete sense
 
NU_FTW said:
Except it would be like UCF refusing to play Alabama and still claiming the title.... you're UCF, always have been
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Actually calling you UCF right now would be a put down to UCF. As I'm positive UCF could win more than 13 league games in 5 years.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I’m sure UCF thinks they got screwed by the system too. That’s what lesser schools think.
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It just wouldn’t be a UMich/B1G-related thread without that disgustingly smug attitude, I guess.

🙄
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
But wait -- as dominant as Nebraska was, they OBVIOUSLY would blow those teams away, right?

Or are you trying to say, using teams Michigan DIDN'T FACE is a much better way to compare the two teams?!?

If that makes sense to you, I'm sorry I cannot help you. The only way to compare the two teams is to look at the teams they BOTH PLAYED.

But keep making excuses about our common opponents and why UM blew the. Both out while Nebraska didn't and tell us more about the teams only Nebraska faced or only Michigan faced, because THAT makes complete sense
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Again, you are using the Transitive Property because that's all you're left with.

Michigan beat #8 Washington State on a neutral field by 5 points.
Nebraska beat Washington in Seattle by 13 points
Washington State beat Washington in Seattle by 6 points
Nebraska was 7 points better than Washington State.
Michigan was just 5 points better than Washington State.

In 2021 (3-9) Nebraska beat Fordham 52-7.

Michigan got lucky on a late 4th Q turnover to beat (3-9) Nebraska on a field goal 32-29.

Fordham would have beaten Michigan

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