Interesting article on no more expansion ...

Lol stupid ass duck boy projecting insecurities all over desperate to believe anyone wants to watch his team join the B1G 😆😂😂😆😆😆😂
 
Wild Turkey said:
ND is going to sign a long-term deal with NBC and they are under contract until 2036 if they join a conference it will be the ACC. So unless the ACC folds ND isn't going anywhere. ND is the one school that if they've signed a contract then they will honor it period.
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I am thinking you are correct. ND has some kind of beef with the B1G that makes them want to stay away. It may not be an emotional thing, it might be that ND may feel like they wouldn't be special in the B1G and their brand would get watered down overtime.

IMO, Penn State might have been better off in early 1990s going to Big East. That may have actually saved all of this CFB expansion because Big East would have been a decent league with Miami, Penn State, BC, Pitt, WVU, Syracuse, and Virginia Tech.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Why would B1G want that? Seems like their current TV Contract is actually superior.
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because adding another time slot adds to their already superior contract. Escalation language also ensures nobody takes a paycut to do it. Once you hear about the language, you start to realize why a bunch of people say expansion will happen and happen soon
 
duckboy33 said:
because adding another time slot adds to their already superior contract. Escalation language also ensures nobody takes a paycut to do it. Once you hear about the language, you start to realize why a bunch of people say expansion will happen and happen soon
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They got primetime slots with CBS, NBC, and Fox. They don't need ESPN. That is 3 National Broadcasts. The lower tier games will be on the B1G network or affiliates to these leagues (someone referenced USA could carry some of the lower-tier games).
 
duckboy33 said:
1) Adding 4 more west coast teams opens up another tv time slot and gets espn back in the game.
2) USC and UCLA won’t be left on an island

I agree on ND. From what I’ve heard, they aren’t going to jump until they have no other choice.
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Why would ESPN pay what the B1G is asking for, for what would not be an attractive game at 10:00/10:30 ET? They already turned down offering $380 million for an even better game. I understand the need of having games on at 10/10:30 ET, but if ESPN wants inventory that bad, just pay the P12 for it. It's not like ESPN is going to get OSU/PSU/Michigan/MSU at Oregon/UW at 10:00/10:30 ET. That would be going on FOX/CBS/NBC.

I don't think the B1G will expand, unless ND wants in. After that, then the likelihood of 18/20 becomes a possibility.
 
Volbound1700 said:
They got primetime slots with CBS, NBC, and Fox. They don't need ESPN. That is 3 National Broadcasts. The lower tier games will be on the B1G network or affiliates to these leagues (someone referenced USA could carry some of the lower-tier games).
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ESPN is gonna pay someone for the 10:00/10:30 time slot. They could either pay the Pac 10 for that content or they could take the top teams in the PAC and put them in the Big Ten with usc and ucla. They could pay less for that time slot and have all the major brands (USC, UCLA, Ore, WA and Stanford) and may even get some matchups with big ten teams
 
ericd7633 said:
Why would ESPN pay what the B1G is asking for, for what would not be an attractive game at 10:00/10:30 ET? They already turned down offering $380 million for an even better game. I understand the need of having games on at 10/10:30 ET, but if ESPN wants inventory that bad, just pay the P12 for it. It's not like ESPN is going to get OSU/PSU/Michigan/MSU at Oregon/UW at 10:00/10:30 ET. That would be going on FOX/CBS/NBC.

I don't think the B1G will expand, unless ND wants in. After that, then the likelihood of 18/20 becomes a possibility.
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ESPN already committed that time slot to the SEC and ACC. Moving the top brands to the big ten eliminates some of the lower tier teams and puts USC and UCLA make in the conversation for late night kickoffs
 
Wild Turkey said:
ND is going to sign a long-term deal with NBC and they are under contract until 2036 if they join a conference it will be the ACC. So unless the ACC folds ND isn't going anywhere. ND is the one school that if they've signed a contract then they will honor it period.
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Getting out of that contract with the ACC, wouldn't be an issue if ND wanted to join the B1G. It doesn't cost what it would for the full members. With that said I'm of the belief that it won't happen until then at the earliest, even if it does happen at all.
 
duckboy33 said:
If I’m the SEC, I’d do everything I can to eventually get UNC, Clemson, FSU and Miami. That would shut the doors on any major programs in the south.

GOR is gonna be an issue for the ACC teams. I don’t see how they can get out of it without dissolving the conference and that’s a longshot
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From what I've heard is Miami never happens.

I don't know why but evidently Florida would go nuclear and as a compromise are willing to accept FSU (they play every year anyway) but want nothing to do with Miami.

No idea if that is true but I've heard that comment multiple places. The truth is the SEC will get whoever they want if the ACC folds and if they don't fold then the SEC still has the best roster period and will get the ratings. The ACC will fold though unless ND joins which is a long shot.
 
Wild Turkey said:
From what I've heard is Miami never happens.

I don't know why but evidently Florida would go nuclear and as a compromise are willing to accept FSU (they play every year anyway) but want nothing to do with Miami.

No idea if that is true but I've heard that comment multiple places. The truth is the SEC will get whoever they want if the ACC folds and if they don't fold then the SEC still has the best roster period and will get the ratings. The ACC will fold though unless ND joins which is a long shot.
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They could go UVA instead of Miami, I agree with you on that. However, I’d want to keep the Big Ten out of Florida. Especially one in a major market like Miami.
 
ericd7633 said:
Getting out of that contract with the ACC, wouldn't be an issue if ND wanted to join the B1G. It doesn't cost what it would for the full members. With that said I'm of the belief that it won't happen until then at the earliest, even if it does happen at all.
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With ND's history and stubbornness, I would be shocked if they bought out a contract in order to join the B1G unless they got shut out of the national championship format (which won't happen). Could they do it? Absolutely but I would put more stock in an agreement with ND written on a napkin than I would a fully executed contract with 99% of the rest of the schools.
 
duckboy33 said:
ESPN already committed that time slot to the SEC and ACC. Moving the top brands to the big ten eliminates some of the lower tier teams and puts USC and UCLA make in the conversation for late night kickoffs
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But why would ESPN pay a premium for those rights? They aren't getting another big brand to play them in that time slot. At best, they may get an Iowa/Wisconsin type of team. But you'd be getting games with Indiana, Purdue, NW, Rutgers, MD, Minnesota etc which is no different in terms of viewers than what the remaining P12 teams would provide.
 
duckboy33 said:
They could go UVA instead of Miami, I agree with you on that. However, I’d want to keep the Big Ten out of Florida. Especially one in a major market like Miami.
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Shit Miami fans only watch when they are good and struggle to fill the orange bowl. If the SEC has Florida and FSU then they own the state and Miami is not that important. It's like having Texas and aTm gives you the state and you don't need Baylor, TC, TT or anyone else. Same is true for California in that with USC and UCLA the B1G owns the state and Cal means nothing.

Eyeballs is all that matters and Miami is so inconsistent in getting them that they aren't that big of a prize.
 
ericd7633 said:
But why would ESPN pay a premium for those rights? They aren't getting another big brand to play them in that time slot. At best, they may get an Iowa/Wisconsin type of team. But you'd be getting games with Indiana, Purdue, NW, Rutgers, MD, Minnesota etc which is no different in terms of viewers than what the remaining P12 teams would provide.
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ESPN is gonna have to pay someone. They either pay the PAC (who will want them to shoulder the bulk of their content) or they can consolidate things in the Big Ten and get the late night time slot anyways. I’m not sure they will spend any more money doing it within the Big Ten
 
Wild Turkey said:
Shit Miami fans only watch when they are good and struggle to fill the orange bowl. If the SEC has Florida and FSU then they own the state and Miami is not that important. It's like having Texas and aTm gives you the state and you don't need Baylor, TC, TT or anyone else. Same is true for California in that with USC and UCLA the B1G owns the state and Cal means nothing.

Eyeballs is all that matters and Miami is so inconsistent in getting them that they aren't that big of a prize.
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I agree. I think SEC grabs FSU and NOT Miami for the reasons you state.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Shit Miami fans only watch when they are good and struggle to fill the orange bowl. If the SEC has Florida and FSU then they own the state and Miami is not that important. It's like having Texas and aTm gives you the state and you don't need Baylor, TC, TT or anyone else. Same is true for California in that with USC and UCLA the B1G owns the state and Cal means nothing.

Eyeballs is all that matters and Miami is so inconsistent in getting them that they aren't that big of a prize.
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Miami has its struggles but with Big Ten money behind them, they could get serious real quick again. There’s higher potential with Miami than UVA IMO
 
duckboy33 said:
Miami has its struggles but with Big Ten money behind them, they could get serious real quick again. There’s higher potential with Miami than UVA IMO
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It isn't just about struggling, it is about their crappy (almost non-existent) fanbase. FSU has fans that stick with them even during down times. Miami only has fans when they are ELITE.
 
Volbound1700 said:
It isn't just about struggling, it is about their crappy (almost non-existent) fanbase. FSU has fans that stick with them even during down times. Miami only has fans when they are ELITE.
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I get that. Miami has some risk. But we are comparing them with UVA, who also struggles to fill their stadium. Miami has had times they were elite and if they got back there, the SEC would be kicking themselves for taking UVA over them IMO.
 
duckboy33 said:
I get that. Miami has some risk. But we are comparing them with UVA, who also struggles to fill their stadium. Miami has had times they were elite and if they got back there, the SEC would be kicking themselves for taking UVA over them IMO.
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UVA is only in the conversation for two reasons:

1. UNC wants to bring a rival with them and between Duke and UVA, UVA is far more attractive
2. UVA is a new market

UVA always has stronger academic standing. UVA isn't a great football brand but its an EXCELLENT University and is competitive in the non-football sports (especially basketball).

UVA has a lot of the same positives as Stanford.
 
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