Smart on scheduling tough OOC

duckboy33 said:
the alliance was more about what networks controlled the CFP. 16 is probably where we end up unless someone is gonna really push for 12
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I know what the Alliance was ... I was referring to the fact that the three conferences that blew up expansion have egg on their face and will do anything to look like it was justified.

Here is why 16 doesn't work and won't be selected:

- There aren't close to 16 teams worthy in any given year. Hell, 12 is a stretch. Last year that would have added:

13. BYU (10-2)
14. Oregon (10-3)
15. Iowa (10-3)
16. Oklahoma (10-2)

Two three loss teams, no thanks.

- Without the first round byes, you get 1 v. 16, 2 v. 15, etc. Imagine what UGA would have done to Iowa. Michigan beat them like a baby seal in the B1GCG, and UGA beat UM like a baby seal in the semis. No one wants to watch that. What 12 does is give you a first round that is more likely to be very competitive ... 5 v. 12, 6 v. 11, etc.

- You have to play the 1st round after the Conf Champ week for the timing to work. That makes it unfair to let teams that didn't make their CC game have a bye week and then play against teams that were playing the week before.

- The byes, and home team advantage counter the argument that the season won't mean as much. If you are fighting to win your conference, and get a first round bye, or home field advantage, that matters.

- The main one is the number of games played and players' safety. With 16, you are always going to play 4 games, 17 total. Always. With 12, the most you will almost have is teams that play 3 games, 16 total - bye, quarters, semis, finals.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
When your team actually schedule 1 tough OOC then you can bitch.
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I'm not bitching about anything. I'm laughing at Kirby Smart and saying he is full of shit. Just like when Saban goes off on him wanting a "level playing field" in CFB.

It is highly entertaining to listen to the coaches talk out of their ass and even more entertaining when people post of games scheduled in 5, 6, 7 years, when they will likely have a completely different schedule by the time those years come around.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
You forgot the most important part of the gauntlet: UGA 34 - Michigan 11.

What happens when reality hits you in the face:





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"When you play in the SEC, you're going to run the gauntlet anyway." - Kirby Smart

i.e. An SEC schedule.

Last I checked, Michigan was not in the SEC.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I know what the Alliance was ... I was referring to the fact that the three conferences that blew up expansion have egg on their face and will do anything to look like it was justified.

Here is why 16 doesn't work and won't be selected:

- There aren't close to 16 teams worthy in any given year. Hell, 12 is a stretch. Last year that would have added:

13. BYU (10-2)
14. Oregon (10-3)
15. Iowa (10-3)
16. Oklahoma (10-2)

Two three loss teams, no thanks.

- Without the first round byes, you get 1 v. 16, 2 v. 15, etc. Imagine what UGA would have done to Iowa. Michigan beat them like a baby seal in the B1GCG, and UGA beat UM like a baby seal in the semis. No one wants to watch that. What 12 does is give you a first round that is more likely to be very competitive ... 5 v. 12, 6 v. 11, etc.

- You have to play the 1st round after the Conf Champ week for the timing to work. That makes it unfair to let teams that didn't make their CC game have a bye week and then play against teams that were playing the week before.

- The byes, and home team advantage counter the argument that the season won't mean as much. If you are fighting to win your conference, and get a first round bye, or home field advantage, that matters.

- The main one is the number of games played and players' safety. With 16, you are always going to play 4 games, 17 total. Always. With 12, the most you will almost have is teams that play 3 games, 16 total - bye, quarters, semis, finals.
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It’s all about revenue, not who deserves a shot. From a competitive standpoint, there’s not really a reason to expand from 4. 16 is all about maximizing revenue
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I know what the Alliance was ... I was referring to the fact that the three conferences that blew up expansion have egg on their face and will do anything to look like it was justified.

Here is why 16 doesn't work and won't be selected:

- There aren't close to 16 teams worthy in any given year. Hell, 12 is a stretch. Last year that would have added:

13. BYU (10-2)
14. Oregon (10-3)
15. Iowa (10-3)
16. Oklahoma (10-2)

Two three loss teams, no thanks.

- Without the first round byes, you get 1 v. 16, 2 v. 15, etc. Imagine what UGA would have done to Iowa. Michigan beat them like a baby seal in the B1GCG, and UGA beat UM like a baby seal in the semis. No one wants to watch that. What 12 does is give you a first round that is more likely to be very competitive ... 5 v. 12, 6 v. 11, etc.

- You have to play the 1st round after the Conf Champ week for the timing to work. That makes it unfair to let teams that didn't make their CC game have a bye week and then play against teams that were playing the week before.

- The byes, and home team advantage counter the argument that the season won't mean as much. If you are fighting to win your conference, and get a first round bye, or home field advantage, that matters.

- The main one is the number of games played and players' safety. With 16, you are always going to play 4 games, 17 total. Always. With 12, the most you will almost have is teams that play 3 games, 16 total - bye, quarters, semis, finals.
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They will not do a tourney where two teams get a bye. Just won't happen. I could see them going to 8. All that'd happen at 12 is bitching about who should get a bye or this team isn't deserving of a bye and this team is. It'd be like a fist fight at the CFP ranking meetings.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
You forgot the most important part of the gauntlet: UGA 34 - Michigan 11.

What happens when reality hits you in the face:
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Now Michigan is part of the SEC "gauntlet"? Interesting.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Now Michigan is part of the SEC "gauntlet"? Interesting.
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The post referred to UGA's schedule as a "Gauntlet," stated very sarcastically so as to throw shade on UGA's schedule.

Trust me, we heard it from the Michigan talking heads leading up to the Orange Bowl ad nauseum - UGA didn't play anyone all year.

So, yeah, in that context, our game with you became part of our "Gauntlet" that counters the point that was being made.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
They will not do a tourney where two teams get a bye. Just won't happen. I could see them going to 8. All that'd happen at 12 is bitching about who should get a bye or this team isn't deserving of a bye and this team is. It'd be like a fist fight at the CFP ranking meetings.
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Who said they would do that? Top 4 seeds get byes. Next 4 get home games in the first round.

Byes were supposed to be based on conference championships, but the SEC may not agree to that now. It would be easy to determine the top 4 ... they don it now to decide who gets in or not. As for people bitching, they can fuck off. Win more games.

As for 8, the SEC would only agree to that if you don't have conference champs getting in automatically. Best 8. Well that's not going to happen. Also, you would be leaving too much money on the table to stay at 8. It's not even being considered. It will be 12, way outside possibility of 16.
 
duckboy33 said:
It’s all about revenue, not who deserves a shot. From a competitive standpoint, there’s not really a reason to expand from 4. 16 is all about maximizing revenue
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Again, explain away my reasons that 16 is bad. You just chose 1. The others would trump the idea of having 4 more teams.
 
Red_Alert said:
"When you play in the SEC, you're going to run the gauntlet anyway." - Kirby Smart

i.e. An SEC schedule.

Last I checked, Michigan was not in the SEC.
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I understand that ... you posted it to show that our gauntlet wasn't really a gauntlet. I showed that it must have been about as close to a gauntlet as you can get because we sure curb stomped UM who was your conference champ, and presumably way better than all those teams you ridiculed. We had a tougher time with some of those 4 loss teams than we did with UM.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I'm not bitching about anything. I'm laughing at Kirby Smart and saying he is full of shit. Just like when Saban goes off on him wanting a "level playing field" in CFB.

It is highly entertaining to listen to the coaches talk out of their ass and even more entertaining when people post of games scheduled in 5, 6, 7 years, when they will likely have a completely different schedule by the time those years come around.
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I can post our OOC that has already happened to show that Smart walks his talk. I mean ND x 2, Clemson, Oregon, UNC, Colorodo, ASU to name a few. You just picked the wrong team to argue with. If you want to get all indignant about OOC, go talk to UF in the SEC, or your own team in the B1G.

For someone who says he doesn't care about OOC, you seem to care a lot about our OOC.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I understand that ... you posted it to show that our gauntlet wasn't really a gauntlet. I showed that it must have been about as close to a gauntlet as you can get because we sure curb stomped UM who was your conference champ, and presumably way better than all those teams you ridiculed. We had a tougher time with some of those 4 loss teams than we did with UM.
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Michigan beat (3-9) Nebraska by 3 points on a game ending field goal provided by a Martinez fumble.
 
Red_Alert said:
Michigan beat (3-9) Nebraska by 3 points on a game ending field goal provided by a Martinez fumble.
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So, you are saying that schedules don't tell the whole story?
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Who said they would do that? Top 4 seeds get byes. Next 4 get home games in the first round.

Byes were supposed to be based on conference championships, but the SEC may not agree to that now. It would be easy to determine the top 4 ... they don it now to decide who gets in or not. As for people bitching, they can fuck off. Win more games.

As for 8, the SEC would only agree to that if you don't have conference champs getting in automatically. Best 8. Well that's not going to happen. Also, you would be leaving too much money on the table to stay at 8. It's not even being considered. It will be 12, way outside possibility of 16.
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i can't possibly see how they could give CFP spots to the Big 12 and Pac 12 if you take Texas, Oklahoma, USC and UCLA out. Unless they are guaranteeing the B1G and the SEC multiple spots.
 
Red_Alert said:
Michigan beat (3-9) Nebraska by 3 points on a game ending field goal provided by a Martinez fumble.
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Michigan felt bad and wanted to make it interesting. It is like Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown at the last second :)
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
So, you are saying that schedules don't tell the whole story?
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I'm saying this is not a gauntlet.

South Carolina: (7-6)
Vanderbilt: (2-10)
Arkansas: (9-4)
Auburn: (6-7)
Kentucky: (10-3)
Florida; (6-7)
Missouri: (6-7)
Tennessee: (7-6)

Grats on your NC (with a loss).
 
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