Interesting article on no more expansion ...

[Volbound1700]

I don't think USC v OSU is put in the late slot. That stands up well against the other games at the normal times.

The after dark isn't the only reason the conferences are looking at west coast teams. I said it's the networks that like that angle. The question about expanding and having more teams to split the pie with was talked about up here and the added inventory for later slots adds value for expanding TV revenue beyond what their name power alone is. That was the only point.

Agree, in fact most of the current bigtime Pac12 games are typically on either at the 2:30 or 5/6 slots.

 

[Deep Creek]

Lol ok. NFL has 32 teams

…with only four teams in 8 divisions.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Why not let’s just take the B1G up to 32 teams.

February could be B1G Tourney month!

Double Elimination

 

[ralphiewvu]

Nobody is poaching Big 12 teams. Kansas has one positive and multiple negatives so they are home.

 

[Red_Alert]

I'd assume the Big 10 has considered this, but you never know.

Notre Dame and the Big 10 could do a similar deal as Notre Dame/ACC, but it only being football.

In that case they could do it until 2036 and then join the Big 10 or ACC permanently or stay Independent if they choose.
I have little doubt the Big 10 would do something like this for the guarantee of the remaining crown jewel ND in 2036.

I've contended all along that the Notre Dame/NBC ($60 million) deal is likely being supplemented by the Big 10/NBC deal.
i.e. They don't get the $60 million if NBC doesn't get the Big 10 deal too.
Face it, these 6 games on NBC is not earning $60 million.




Their annual game against USC will still be on, and they can get Stanford into the Big 10 permanently so that game will still be on.
Put Purdue in their pod to make 4 teams.

They owe the ACC 4 games in 2022, 6 games in 2023, and 4 games in 2024. Regardless of scheduling ND owes the ACC 5 games per year 'average' through 2036.

So with Stanford, USC, and Purdue, that leaves 3 more open games for the Big 10 to make it a combined 11 games to the ACC/Big 10.

ND's 3 other Big 10 games will bring in more than the likes of Marshall, Cal, and UNLV.

Their annual game with Navy could still be on.

Just my take.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I'd assume the Big 10 has considered this, but you never know.

Notre Dame and the Big 10 could do a similar deal as Notre Dame/ACC, but it only being football.

In that case they could do it until 2036 and then join the Big 10 or ACC permanently or stay Independent if they choose.
I have little doubt the Big 10 would do something like this for the guarantee of the remaining crown jewel ND in 2036.

I've contended all along that the Notre Dame/NBC ($60 million) deal is likely being supplemented by the Big 10/NBC deal.
i.e. They don't get the $60 million if NBC doesn't get the Big 10 deal too.
Face it, these 6 games on NBC is not earning $60 million.

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Their annual game against USC will still be on, and they can get Stanford into the Big 10 permanently so that game will still be on.
Put Purdue in their pod to make 4 teams.

They owe the ACC 4 games in 2022, 6 games in 2023, and 4 games in 2024. Regardless of scheduling ND owes the ACC 5 games per year 'average' through 2036.

So with Stanford, USC, and Purdue, that leaves 3 more open games for the Big 10 to make it a combined 11 games to the ACC/Big 10.

ND's 3 other Big 10 games will bring in more than the likes of Marshall, Cal, and UNLV.

Their annual game with Navy could still be on.

Just my take.

That’s interesting cut a separate deal with B1G but there has to be a financial incentive for ND. They get a piece of the ACC action plus a home for their other sports.

What would be the incentive to give the B1G some type of control of their scheduling?

 

[Red_Alert]

That’s interesting cut a separate deal with B1G but there has to be a financial incentive for ND. They get a piece of the ACC action plus a home for their other sports.

What would be the incentive to give the B1G some type of control of their scheduling?

I think the financial incentive for NBC to shell out that kind of cash to ND was that they also got the Big 10.
If no BIG 10 media rights to go along, I think ND gets $40 million at best.

Regarding scheduling, it seems to work out for the ACC.

USC and Stanford could be a permanent two in the Big 10.
Purdue was an annual prior to 2015.

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[Goldbug]

Having Kansas in your conference is like owning the fastest snail on earth.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I think the financial incentive for NBC to shell out that kind of cash to ND was that they also got the Big 10.
If no BIG 10 media rights to go along, I think ND gets $40 million at best.

Regarding scheduling, it seems to work out for the ACC.

USC and Stanford could be a permanent two in the Big 10.
Purdue was an annual prior to 2015.

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I hear you but they got the money. If they did a deal with the B1G now they would be doing it for free. It’s a big deal to give someone else 4 games to schedule for you and not get anything in return. Otherwise they play who they want when they want and no one says no to them.

 

[Red_Alert]

I hear you but they got the money. If they did a deal with the B1G now they would be doing it for free. It’s a big deal to give someone else 4 games to schedule for you and not get anything in return. Otherwise they play who they want when they want and no one says no to them.

That's why I said.... "I'd assume the Big 10 has considered this, but you never know."

That Notre Dame already "got the money" is rumor.

If true, the Big 10 and NBC are missing out on a lot of leverage.

i.e. "If you want $60 million, you'll play 5 Big 10 teams." - NBC

 

[Wizardhawk]

I know this was discussed around the time that the silliness of the idea the Big 12 and Pac would have some sort of merger, but it contains some nuggets that apply to the 'attractiveness' of adding Pac 12 teams to any of the so-called super conferences.

Is the Pac-12 actually still stable? Here’s what TV numbers say in relation to the Big 12

The Athletic’s Stewart Mandel drew five conclusions about the viability of the Pac-12 moving forward without USC and UCLA

www.deseret.com

List in order (without the specific numbers sadly) of Pac 12 and Big 12 team by viewership from 2015 up through last season. This list was only looking at both excluding their teams leaving so no USC/UCLA/OK/Tex

1. Oregon.
2. Stanford.
3. Washington.
4. Washington State.
5. Colorado.
6. Utah.
7. Oklahoma State.
8. Cal.
9. TCU.
10. Arizona State.
11. West Virginia.
12. Baylor.
13. Iowa State.
14. Texas Tech.
15. Arizona.
16. Kansas State.
17. Oregon State.
18. Kansas.

6 Pac 12 teams have higher ratings before you get to the first Big 12 team that isn't Oklahoma or Texas.

They also qualified the data by saying that every Pac 12 team gets an average of at least 1.2m viewers per game except Oregon State and Zona and further said ESPN averages 1.34m viewers on all games that start at 10p eastern or later and only 2 have came in under 1m viewers.

Now the article doesn't mention how much higher Oregon is, nor what any teams highest rating is, just that all of the teams outside of the bottom two average at least 1.2m/game for their entire seasons.

No one would try to claim it puts them up in the top caliber of draw with teams like Ohio State, etc. They still get a lot more draw than most second level teams and having that added ability to shift some of their home games to that sweet late night slot adds value.

 

[ericd7633]

Interesting. Would make you think it's ND(and then maybe 1 or 3 schools) or nothing.

 

[Red_Alert]

Notre Dame plays Ohio St in 2022 (and Stanford/USC)
Notre Dame played Purdue and Wisconsin in 2021 (and Stanford/USC)
Notre Dame played a full ACC schedule in 2020. (Covid)
Notre Dame played Michigan in 2019 (and Stanford/USC)
Notre Dame played Michigan and Northwestern in 2018 (and Stanford/USC)
Notre Dame played Michigan St in 2017 (and Stanford/USC)

 

[ericd7633]

@duckboy33, it looks like the escalator clause only kicks in if ND joins. Which means, I doubt the B1G would expand, without ND being one of those teams. And I don't think they are joining anytime soon, IMO.

 

[ericd7633]

 

[Huskers4me]

Oregon not giving up?

 

[Thiefery]

BiG really does need ND to beef up the schedules there.. The biggest selling point they have is LA

"Hey son, do you like Palm Trees and Girls in Bikinis? Well then Boilermakers football is for you!! See we get to play in LA once every 4/5 years.. but for you... it's gonna happen your Jr Season.. now why don't you go ahead and place your signature on this line here.. and your LOI is completed"

 

[ericd7633]

BiG really does need ND to beef up the schedules there.. The biggest selling point they have is LA

"Hey son, do you like Palm Trees and Girls in Bikinis? Well then Boilermakers football is for you!! See we get to play in LA once every 4/5 years.. but for you... it's gonna happen your Jr Season.. now why don't you go ahead and place your signature on this line here.. and your LOI is completed"

If we do join, we need to demand Stanford be the next team offered. Then it makes all the sense to stop at that point. If those 2 schools get you an extra $2 Billion no need to add anyone else.

 

[Thiefery]

If we do join, we need to demand Stanford be the next team offered. Then it makes all the sense to stop at that point. If those 2 schools get you an extra $2 Billion no need to add anyone else.

"Son do you like nerdy girls but who are wealthy enough to take care of you if football just doesn't work out?? Well then, Boilermakers football is for you!! Not only are we playing in LA if you stay here for 5 years, but also in Palo Alto.. home of the wealthy nerdy girls!! Now go ahead and sign on the bottom line"

 

[duckboy33]

@duckboy33, it looks like the escalator clause only kicks in if ND joins. Which means, I doubt the B1G would expand, without ND being one of those teams. And I don't think they are joining anytime soon, IMO.

Not sure it means that. ND is the only expansion target that needs specific numbers in order to make a decision.

ND has all the information they need to make that decision because of that. I'm still very confident that the B1G expands before the 2024 season starts.