Electric Cars

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I mean, I have gotten to where my power in my neighborhood has been out and I needed to go somewhere to eat...so it does happen.

but to use that as a basis as to why not to get an electric car is silly and very rare

Even in that example, my wife drove to work and back, we drove around town just playing in the new car and we still had something like 150 miles left. She could drive to work in the morning, power goes out, drives back and we would have enough charge still to drive to Toledo for dinner, back home and have 30 miles left lol. I feel like people are really downplaying how far 250 mile ranges are. Ann Arbor to Chicago, a 3 hour drive, is 241 miles. 60 miles gets you from ann arbor to Lansing. So "going out to eat" in a power outage would cost you, what, 10-20 miles at most?

I just can't think of a situation where we'd be out of luck because you wake up in the morning with a full tank. It's not like a gas car where you could be caught sleeping with an empty tank. You'd have to go days without charging to be caught in that situation. I could see a situation where the power went out over night and we don't have a full charge. But that goes back to, most likely some where around you has power and you can go there to a charging station.

Even in a worst case scenario, power is out, car is somehow at 0%, and somewhere near us has power so we can go out to eat....I can plug the car into my little 2000 watt inverter generator, with a 120 plug, and have 10-20 miles in a couple hours.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Here's a guy shoving a folding bike back there:

Electric car and a folding bike? I bet that guy gives amazing blowjobs.

 

[ill]

Even in that example, my wife drove to work and back, we drove around town just playing in the new car and we still had something like 150 miles left. She could drive to work in the morning, power goes out, drives back and we would have enough charge still to drive to Toledo for dinner, back home and have 30 miles left lol. I feel like people are really downplaying how far 250 mile ranges are. Ann Arbor to Chicago, a 3 hour drive, is 241 miles. 60 miles gets you from ann arbor to Lansing. So "going out to eat" in a power outage would cost you, what, 10-20 miles at most?

I just can't think of a situation where we'd be out of luck because you wake up in the morning with a full tank. It's not like a gas car where you could be caught sleeping with an empty tank. You'd have to go days without charging to be caught in that situation. I could see a situation where the power went out over night and we don't have a full charge. But that goes back to, most likely some where around you has power and you can go there to a charging station.

Even in a worst case scenario, power is out, car is somehow at 0%, and somewhere near us has power so we can go out to eat....I can plug the car into my little 2000 watt inverter generator, with a 120 plug, and have 10-20 miles in a couple hours.

people just seem to want to find anything they can to avoid accepting change. It's weird.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Woa woa woa who said I don't wanna get an EV?

You're getting awfully cringe about it.

Power goes out hurricane coming evacuation orders your car is at 12% boom

500 gallon tank for the win!!

So if you owned a house, with charging capability, I'd ask the question -- under what circumstance would your car be at 12%? If it were BEFORE an impending hurricane, you'd still have power? And you'd probably have day(s) notice of the impending storm. Why would your car be at 12%? You'd have your car plugged in and at 100%. Even if you used it a little you would still probably have lots of range still left. If you had even a couple hours you could probably even top it off at home without an external station. That hypothetical makes more sense if you owned an EV an lived in an apartment.

If anything, under your scenario you'd be at an advantage over most gasoline drivers because you wouldn't have to go try and find a gas station before leaving. You could have your car plugged in and ready to go at 100% for whenever those orders dropped.

 

[Bayou Tiger]

people are very focused on the whole "well what if I am driving cross country" issue and not that if you are doing daily driving routine, you should never ever run low on battery unless you are an absolute idiot.

The convenience factor for that alone is huge. It would be like topping off your tank every time you left your house and paying next to nothing to do so.

I'm sure they will soon have something you can just park over and it charges the battery without you having to plug in anything....wireless charging for your garage.

 

[ill]

I'm sure they will soon have something you can just park over and it charges the battery without you having to plug in anything....wireless charging for your garage.

wouldn't be surprised if that were already in development...but I feel like there would need to be contact between the battery and the charger, like is needed for my phone.

 

[NU_WTF?]

wouldn't be surprised if that were already in development...but I feel like there would need to be contact between the battery and the charger, like is needed for my phone.

You dont need contact for your phone to charge (well maybe your phone i dont know) but Qi charging doesnt require "contact"

It can charge up to 4cm away with the Qi standard over electromagnetic induction

 

[fordman84]

I'm sure they will soon have something you can just park over and it charges the battery without you having to plug in anything....wireless charging for your garage.

There are small sections of test road that can charge while you drive. Don't see that ever actually making it to wide scale production though.
But I could 100% see some forward looking store or mall installing that induction stuff into their parking lot. Imagine if every parking spot were either for IC or EV, and if IC then it doesn't do anything but for EV it will charge while parked without any additional work from you.

 

[Deep Dish Pizza Goat]

So many "what-ifs" being proposed.

Who is paying for the wireless charging parking spots? Who is paying for the charging stations for every apartment unit? Are the retailers gonna eat it? Are the apartment managers gonna eat it? We're trying to roll out 50+ years worth of change in 10 years. What could go wrong?

 

[ill]

You dont need contact for your phone to charge (well maybe your phone i dont know) but Qi charging doesnt require "contact"

It can charge up to 4cm away with the Qi standard over electromagnetic induction

never tried that but yes my phone does maintain the charge icon when I lift it off the pad up to a point

 

[NU_WTF?]

never tried that but yes my phone does maintain the charge icon when I lift it off the pad up to a point

The electromagnetic induction can charge further but you gotta consider everything else around it 4cm is a good standard for phones if you want you can even build them into your desk

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

There are small sections of test road that can charge while you drive. Don't see that ever actually making it to wide scale production though.
But I could 100% see some forward looking store or mall installing that induction stuff into their parking lot. Imagine if every parking spot were either for IC or EV, and if IC then it doesn't do anything but for EV it will charge while parked without any additional work from you.

There’s also stuff like this that could boost the efficiency of cars. If you park on a surface lot, you’d be passively charging Solar without doing anything. Startup Says Its Solar Upgrade for Teslas Adds 60 Miles in Range per Day

 

[ill]

So many "what-ifs" being proposed.

Who is paying for the wireless charging parking spots? Who is paying for the charging stations for every apartment unit? Are the retailers gonna eat it? Are the apartment managers gonna eat it? We're trying to roll out 50+ years worth of change in 10 years. What could go wrong?

none of those are "what ifs"

they are potential improvements in technology they could implement in the future.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

So many "what-ifs" being proposed.

Who is paying for the wireless charging parking spots? Who is paying for the charging stations for every apartment unit? Are the retailers gonna eat it? Are the apartment managers gonna eat it? We're trying to roll out 50+ years worth of change in 10 years. What could go wrong?

I can imagine countless scenarios where it would be beneficial for companies/businesses to put up the initial cost of this stuff to attract a captive customer. Restaurants, especially along highways, installing charging stations. Advertising those. And you’ve got someone at your eatery for 30 minutes to an hour right now. At apartments you put them in and charge a monthly fee on top of rent to use. Like parking spaces with cover.

 

[Deep Dish Pizza Goat]

And you’ve got someone at your eatery for 30 minutes to an hour right now. At apartments you put them in and charge a monthly fee on top of rent to use. Like parking spaces with cover.

How is this a positive? McDonalds puts in these things and now you have people sitting there for 2 hours as their car charges. They are spending $1 on a sweet tea and clogging a spot what could be churned 10x in those 2 hours.

At apartments you put them in and charge a monthly fee on top of rent to use. Like parking spaces with cover.

Rent going up will be fun. It'll be sweet to have your apartment complex charge you a premium for the "luxury" of at home charging.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

How is this a positive? McDonalds puts in these things and now you have people sitting there for 2 hours as their car charges. They are spending $1 on a sweet tea and clogging a spot what could be churned 10x in those 2 hours.


Rent going up will be fun. It'll be sweet to have your apartment complex charge you a premium for the "luxury" of at home charging.

This could break down a number of ways. I'm not entirely sure about the financials behind these chargers but there's a bunch of companies that operate them, and they charge to use them. I'm assuming the private businesses where they are installed are paid either a portion of the profits, or a percentage of the fees for use. How many get installed would be a different conversation. I'm not talking about free chargers here, just chargers.

So if someone goes to McDonalds for 30 minutes because they have a charger there, mcdonalds would benifit from anything purchased while there + hopefully either a direct percentage for how much time they spent at the charger charging - or a flat fee from the company to have that charger there. If there was a larger demand for chargers at the establishment, they could simply put in more and get more of that money?

Extras at renting places has always cost more. Like I gave the example of -- covered parking, or sometimes just parking.

 

[ill]

This could break down a number of ways. I'm not entirely sure about the financials behind these chargers but there's a bunch of companies that operate them, and they charge to use them. I'm assuming the private businesses where they get places are paid either a portion of the profits, or a percentage of the fees for use. How many get installed would be a different conversation. I'm not talking about free chargers here, just chargers.

So if someone goes to McDonalds for 30 minutes because they have a charger there, mcdonalds would benifit from anything purchased while there + hopefully either a direct percentage for how much time they spent at the charger charging - or a flat fee from the company to have that charger there. If there was a larger demand for chargers at the establishment, they could simply put in more and get more of that money?

if McDonalds ONLY installs super chargers, no one is sitting there for 2 hrs. Really there is no reason for McDonalds to have anything but super chargers since they are a fast food restaurant. No one is sitting there that long.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Who cares?

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Who cares?

Why would you click and comment on a topic you don't care about?

 

[ill]

Why would you click and comment on a topic you don't care about?

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