tOfficial B1G Thread

osubuckeye89 said:
Reminded me of a few years ago when Nebraska came out legit running a old school 90s Nebraska option attack against us and just gashed with it. It's hard to stop something that catches you completely off guard.
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Yeah, I'm wondering how often northwestern ran a wildcat offense before this past Saturday.

@huskers1217 @Kburjr @iowajerms did they run it against your teams?
 
fishinabarrel said:
They were running a wildcat. Giving them an extra blocker. Teams that fully commit to the run like that can absolutely still have some success even against stacked boxes.

It was actually a brilliant gameplan to keep Ohio States offense on the sidelines and it was even more aided by the fact the weather was terrible.

No one is saying that Ohio State didn't play like shit, I've said it several times already. What am disputing is your nonsense that Northwestern was some rushing juggernaut that Ohio State couldn't stop when they rushed for less that 4ypa and scored 7 points
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It is only brilliant if it catches a team off guard -- Northwestern runs it all the time. They weren't disguising it and motioning their QB out wide -- they were literally lining up in the wildcat and saying, try to stop us.

And the points, I couldn't care less. OSU only got to 21 because they did something that caught NW off guard. They had Stroud run the ball. He was the best runner on OSU's team. He ran for more yards than he passed for.

That being said -- I will ask you this. Who was the more physical team in the OSU/NW game?
 
It is a standard part of their offense. They use Hull in it quite a bit. They try to get him the ball as much as possible - be it in the Wildcat or throwing it to him out of the backfield.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Michigan has had slow starts in every B1G game this year outside of maybe Iowa.

That's something they can't do against Ohio State. If they find themselves down multiple scores at halftime they are in big doo doo.

They should still be hoping for bad weather that we have to run the ball more in.
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I'd be completely fine with whatever the weather is, as UM averages pretty much the same passing as they do running. So whatever the elements -- Michigan will be fine.

That being said -- I'd LOVE to see wind and rain, because Stroud looked lost out there and OSU looks like a completely different team if it isn't good weather. So it'd be a huge advantage for Michigan if there was bad weather.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I'd be completely fine with whatever the weather is, as UM averages pretty much the same passing as they do running. So whatever the elements -- Michigan will be fine.

That being said -- I'd LOVE to see wind and rain, because Stroud looked lost out there and OSU looks like a completely different team if it isn't good weather. So it'd be a huge advantage for Michigan if there was bad weather.
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I really think it would be bad for Michigan if McCarthy were having to carry the load to keep the game close or win it.

He's shown about zero ability to be consistent throwing down the field, I don't care how high his completion % is, he is captain dink and dunk. That's only going to take you so far if you get caught playing from behind.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
It is a standard part of their offense. They use Hull in it quite a bit. They try to get him the ball as much as possible - be it in the Wildcat or throwing it to him out of the backfield.
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I'll wait until more fans respond that have played NW. So far the only one that has doesn't support your assertion.

You spout so much bullshit it's hard to keep up sometimes. For example, let's go back to your 4 sack claim so you could discount loss yardage. When I read it I was confused and tried to remember the sacks but you started spouting other nonsense that I ended up concentrating on. I still can't remember the sacks. Fox sports and ESPN box scores list 0 in the sacks category and 4 in the TFL
 
huskers1217 said:
i htink i remember one play they did. i think it was just one
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I don't really don't remember but they only had 27 rushes for the game and 41 pass attempts, all by QBs. Wisconsin ran it a couple times with Braelon Allen throwing a TD pass.

Edit: We did lead 28-0 at the half so it cut down on their options.
 
fishinabarrel said:
I'll wait until more fans respond that have played NW. So far the only one that has doesn't support your assertion.

You spout so much bullshit it's hard to keep up sometimes. For example, let's go back to your 4 sack claim so you could discount loss yardage. When I read it I was confused and tried to remember the sacks but you started spouting other nonsense that I ended up concentrating on. I still can't remember the sacks. Fox sports and ESPN box scores list 0 in the sacks category and 4 in the TFL
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They had 4 "team runs" for -20 yards. That usually is QB sacks. One of the plays was a -10 'team run' -- I think it is safe to say the only way you are getting -10 on a play is if a QB takes a 7 step drop and scrambles.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
They had 4 "team runs" for -20 yards. That usually is QB sacks. One of the plays was a -10 'team run' -- I think it is safe to say the only way you are getting -10 on a play is if a QB takes a 7 step drop and scrambles.
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This is called a sack.

None of them were sacks. They were all attempted to runs that failed, some miserably
 
osubuckeye89 said:
,really think it would be bad for Michigan if McCarthy were having to carry the load to keep the game close or win it.

He's shown about zero ability to be consistent throwing down the field, I don't care how high his completion % is, he is captain dink and dunk. That's only going to take you so far if you get caught playing from behind.
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I'm not that concerned with whatever McCarthy has to carry. I'm more worried about the WR's actually catching the ball downfield. It makes me so jealous to see the wealth of WR's OSU has that makes plays on the ball downfield. Michigan just doesn't have that. Roman Wilson is our only deep threat and he has been hurt off and on.

But the thing with McCarthy is -- he is so accurate, so UM scores on the majority of their drives. Michigan has only punted 22 times in 9 games. That is the only reason we have averaged 42 ppg, because lord knows, a quick strike offense, we are not.
 
fishinabarrel said:
This is called a sack.

None of them were sacks. They were all attempted to runs that failed, some miserably
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I found out what two of the 'team runs' were -- It was the end of the first half and NW was taking a knee to run out the clock. 8 of the -20 yard loss are that. I don't know what the -10 team run was from. I've never heard that term before?
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
That being said -- I don't think Michigan or OSU stand a chance against Georgia. Maybe if we could use Michigan OL and running game and pair it with OSU's passing -- but I think Georgia dominates each team individually.
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Georgia dominates most teams when it is a "must" game for lack of a better term. They sleepwalked against a couple they shouldn't have this year.

Regarding Michigan and tOSU, I'd say tOSU's offense would have a better shot than Michigan's. Trying to play smashmouth against Georgia is right in Kirby's wheelhouse. (Similar to the old Bama defenses.)

On the other side of the ball, I'd say Michigan would give the Georgia offense more resistance. JMO.
 
Deep Creek said:
Georgia dominates most teams when it is a "must" game for lack of a better term. They sleepwalked against a couple they shouldn't have this year.

Regarding Michigan and tOSU, I'd say tOSU's offense would have a better shot than Michigan's. Trying to play smashmouth against Georgia is right in Kirby's wheelhouse. (Similar to the old Bama defenses.)

On the other side of the ball, I'd say Michigan would give the Georgia offense more resistance. JMO.
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Someone said it before. Ohio State is built to win the CFP.

It may not necessarily be built to always win the Big 10 though.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Someone said it before. Ohio State is built to win the CFP.

It may not necessarily be built to always win the Big 10 though.
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The problem for OSU now is -- Georgia, is essentially Michigan, but on steroids. They are a bigger, faster version of Michigan. If they want to pound the football -- they can pound the football. Georgia runs for over 200 a game. If they want to throw the football, they can throw the football. Only Tennessee was averaging more yards in the air than Georgia (330 ypg)

On top of that offense, they have the best defense in CFB. I don't see anyone touching them this year, unless absolutely everything goes wrong in a game for them.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Someone said it before. Ohio State is built to win the CFP.

It may not necessarily be built to always win the Big 10 though.
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I do agree OSU's offense is more built to compete with SEC, ACC, etc. type teams. They are a team who will struggle if the weather isn't nice. Heck -- that was the ONLY reason MSU beat them the one year. Bad weather. Last week -- OSU would have beaten NW by 40 if the weather was nice.

I am so jealous of that WR room you have. I wish we had ONE of those guys. No WR on Michigan would even sniff the field if they played for OSU.
 
Deep Creek said:
Georgia dominates most teams when it is a "must" game for lack of a better term. They sleepwalked against a couple they shouldn't have this year.

Regarding Michigan and tOSU, I'd say tOSU's offense would have a better shot than Michigan's. Trying to play smashmouth against Georgia is right in Kirby's wheelhouse. (Similar to the old Bama defenses.)

On the other side of the ball, I'd say Michigan would give the Georgia offense more resistance. JMO.
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Yeah -- I think the only way a B1G team wins a title this year is if Michigan and OSU combined their offense -- Use Michigan's OL and running game and pair it with OSU's QB and WR's.

That WR room of OSU is absolutely ridiculous.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I do agree OSU's offense is more built to compete with SEC, ACC, etc. type teams. They are a team who will struggle if the weather isn't nice. Heck -- that was the ONLY reason MSU beat them the one year. Bad weather. Last week -- OSU would have beaten NW by 40 if the weather was nice.

I am so jealous of that WR room you have. I wish we had ONE of those guys. No WR on Michigan would even sniff the field if they played for OSU.
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Eh I would not put that loss all on the weather, that was some of Urban and crews worst offensive coaching in that game.

The weather @ Michigan was not great last year but that's not why we lost. We lost because we could not stop the run at all, and our oline had trouble with Hutchinson and Ojabo. We were still able to throw the ball fairly effectively Stroud had close to 400 yards, he didnt throw any INTs. 34/49 is 69% thats not shabby at all. It was giving up 297 rushing yards at over 7 YPC that lost the game. I don't get where this notion that Stroud struggled badly in that game comes from. He did about as good as he could considering his protection couldn't get it done.

The NW game this year was a fucking monsoon most of the game. Its hard to throw at all with 30-40 MPH wind gusts into driving rain. There's not a QB out there who woulda had a good game passing in that.
 
The first 2 possessions of the 2nd half lost the game last year for us

3 and out on the first drive after the 2nd half kickoff. Henderson gets stuffed for -2 on 3rd and 2. We punt, Michigan scores on 3 plays, all runs totaling 71 yards

Next drive looks promising but gets killed by a false start, Stroud gets sacked on 3rd and 9. We Punt. Michigan goes 78 yards on 5 plays for a TD to essentially put the game away since we were playing from 2 scores behind and couldnt stop the run at all
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Eh I would not put that loss all on the weather, that was some of Urban and crews worst offensive coaching in that game.

The weather @ Michigan was not great last year but that's not why we lost. We lost because we could not stop the run at all, and our oline had trouble with Hutchinson and Ojabo. We were still able to throw the ball fairly effectively Stroud had close to 400 yards, he didnt throw any INTs. 34/49 is 69% thats not shabby at all. It was giving up 297 rushing yards at over 7 YPC that lost the game. I don't get where this notion that Stroud struggled badly in that game comes from. He did about as good as he could considering his protection couldn't get it done.

The NW game this year was a fucking monsoon most of the game. Its hard to throw at all with 30-40 MPH wind gusts into driving rain. There's not a QB out there who woulda had a good game passing in that.
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True -- I think, if I remember correctly, OSU went away from giving the ball to Zeke in the 2nd half. That was such a great team OSU had.

As far as the weather at the Michigan/OSU game last year -- the TV made the game look way worse than it actually was. It was actually a nice day out, just a little chilly, but nothing that'd effect the play at all.

I agree the weather in that game this past week was bad, but NW QB's was still able to complete 10/14, so it isn't like it was that bad. Though Julian Fleming dropped a couple balls that should have been caught. Still can't believe that guy hasn't panned out. Thought he was going to be dominate.

And I fully expect OSU to be able to throw the ball on UM. UM just wants to eliminate the big TD plays. Make them move it down the field and continue making the throws. Should be a fun game. Coming into this year -- I thought it would be a blowout (OSU blowing UM out), but I think it will be a good game now. We had to replace so much on defense as well as our DC -- but it has been a seamless transition.
 
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