2022 College Football Playoff Discussion Thread

[WhosYourDawggy]

i agree with the first part, but a HUGE part of what changed the outcome of the 2nd game the two teams played is -- No Metchie for the entire game and no Jameson Williams for the last 3 quarters.

Georgia couldn't cover those guys. Taking those guys out is what leveled the playing the field more than coaches and players doing their job better or players learning. Jameson Willams still had 65 yards receiving in just over 1 quarter in the NC game, so it isn't like Georgia slowed him down at all.

Bama's offense was just completely different once you removed those two guys and it shrunk the field for Georgia's defense when you remove the two guys who stretch the defense out.

That being said -- Georgia nad Bama were BY FAR the two best teams in CFB last year.

There isn’t a Dawg fan alive that would argue that Alabama losing their two best receivers did not impact the game. Of course it did. I would hope there’s no Alabama fan alive who would argue that Texas losing their quarterback in the first quarter of that NCG didn’t affect that game. If we want to play the “what if” game, we can look at all the injuries Georgia had all year long, all the people that we didn’t have available on our team. The simple fact of the matter is that we had three of the biggest plays in the national championship game made by three freshmen who were prepared by our coaches. Our team was better prepared all season long and in the playoffs to handle the loss of valuable players. Football at the highest level is all about depth, and “next man up.” So yes, them losing their wide receivers mattered. What mattered more was poor coaching that didn’t have other players ready to step in when that happened. That’s on the Alabama coaching, and takes nothing away from what Georgia accomplished.

I can also tell you that our coaching and scheming changed dramatically between those two games. That’s an undeniable fact. For whatever reason, in the SEC championship game, we chose not to pressure and blitz, and dropped seven and eight back. It was one of the stupidest coaching decisions I’ve ever seen, as that’s not what we did all season long. It’s been written about, and we were extremely perplexed at the time. They obviously changed back to what had been successful for us all season long. I’m not sure it would have made a difference in that game, as Bryce Young was hot as a fire cracker, and they played a great game, especially the offense of line. The two teams were so evenly matched, it’s easy to say that the best team won that day. I would also argue that the best team won the national championship. The point being the two teams were so evenly matched.

 

[Volbound1700]

There isn’t a Dawg fan alive that would argue that Alabama losing their two best receivers did not impact the game. Of course it did. I would hope there’s no Alabama fan alive who would argue that Texas losing their quarterback in the first quarter of that NCG didn’t affect that game. If we want to play the “what if” game, we can look at all the injuries Georgia had all year long, all the people that we didn’t have available on our team. The simple fact of the matter is that we had three of the biggest plays in the national championship game made by three freshmen who were prepared by our coaches. Our team was better prepared all season long and in the playoffs to handle the loss of valuable players. Football at the highest level is all about depth, and “next man up.” So yes, them losing their wide receivers mattered. What mattered more was poor coaching that didn’t have other players ready to step in when that happened. That’s on the Alabama coaching, and takes nothing away from what Georgia accomplished.

I can also tell you that our coaching and scheming changed dramatically between those two games. That’s an undeniable fact. For whatever reason, in the SEC championship game, we chose not to pressure and blitz, and dropped seven and eight back. It was one of the stupidest coaching decisions I’ve ever seen, as that’s not what we did all season long. It’s been written about, and we were extremely perplexed at the time. They obviously changed back to what had been successful for us all season long. I’m not sure it would have made a difference in that game, as Bryce Young was hot as a fire cracker, and they played a great game, especially the offense of line. The two teams were so evenly matched, it’s easy to say that the best team won that day. I would also argue that the best team won the national championship. The point being the two teams were so evenly matched.

Agree. Although the WRs were impactful, Georgia also made adjustments to win the game.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

LOL @ Bama only having two WRs on their roster that both turned out to be brittle bitches. 3 freshmen scored TDs in the 4th quarter for UGA. Take them excuses and shove em. If it ain’t next man up, you didn’t have enough depth to belong there anyways

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

So yes, them losing their wide receivers mattered. What mattered more was poor coaching that didn’t have other players ready to step in when that happened. That’s on the Alabama coaching, and takes nothing away from what Georgia accomplished.

Please tell me you are joking? You don't just replace a player like Jameson Williams. Why? Because no one in college football or the NFL was as fast as Jameson Williams. He was clocked faster than Tyreek Williams, faster than Jonathan Taylor.

Or are you saying it was just poor coaching on Georgia's part that after having a full game of tape and a month to prepare for Williams -- he STILL had 65 yards in just over 1 quarter of action in the NCG when Georgia could double him every play, as Metchie wasn't playing?

Does it mean Georgia doesn't deserve the national title? Absolutely not. Does it mean Georgia would have won the game if Alabama had Williams and Metchie? Absolutely not. Injuries are part of the sport -- to blame it on coaching is asinine though. It isn't like Alabama game planned for Williams to go down? Or that after playing all year with Williams and Metchie -- that they knew they'd be playing 3/4 of the NCG with neither of them.

It'd be like blaming Georgia's coaching for letting Tua beat them on that 41 yard pass to DeVonte Smith, as they should have been ready for Tua.

 

[Volbound1700]

Please tell me you are joking? You don't just replace a player like Jameson Williams. Why? Because no one in college football or the NFL was as fast as Jameson Williams. He was clocked faster than Tyreek Williams, faster than Jonathan Taylor.

Or are you saying it was just poor coaching on Georgia's part that after having a full game of tape and a month to prepare for Williams -- he STILL had 65 yards in just over 1 quarter of action in the NCG when Georgia could double him every play, as Metchie wasn't playing?

Does it mean Georgia doesn't deserve the national title? Absolutely not. Does it mean Georgia would have won the game if Alabama had Williams and Metchie? Absolutely not. Injuries are part of the sport -- to blame it on coaching is asinine though. It isn't like Alabama game planned for Williams to go down? Or that after playing all year with Williams and Metchie -- that they knew they'd be playing 3/4 of the NCG with neither of them.

It'd be like blaming Georgia's coaching for letting Tua beat them on that 41 yard pass to DeVonte Smith, as they should have been ready for Tua.

I agree with @WhosYourDawggy though that teams adjust game from game. Georgia did not play well in Atlanta and they found ways to adjust to stop Alabama's attack as well as put up more offense in the Championship games.

In fact, if a loss isn't fatal to your championship hopes, it can often be a good learning experience for the coaches and players.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I agree with @WhosYourDawggy though that teams adjust game from game. Georgia did not play well in Atlanta and they found ways to adjust to stop Alabama's attack as well as put up more offense in the Championship games.

In fact, if a loss isn't fatal to your championship hopes, it can often be a good learning experience for the coaches and players.

Except they put up 100 yards less of offense in the national championship game than they did in the SEC CG.

Anyone who has ever played football knows exactly what WR's like Jameson Williams and Metchie do to a defense, ESPECIALLY Jameson. If forces a team to keep a safety over the top and when you have two WR's who can challenge you over the top -- it forces you to play 2 deep safeties. It opens up the field for the offense.

You remove those players from the game and it immediately shrinks the field and the safeties can move closer to the line of scrimmage helping out underneath and in the run game.

It'd be like removing Hyatt and Tillman from Tennessee's offense and when Tennessee's offense doesn't look the same -- saying it was great coaching. For Tennessee -- removing Tillman isn't as big of a deal as it is removing Hyatt, as you can't just replace that speed and ability to track deep balls.

As I stated earlier -- if it was "adjustments" made by Georgia that slowed down Alabama. How did Jameson Williams have 4 catches for 65 yards in just over one quarter before going down hurt? The guy was on pace to have even more than the 187 yards he had in the SEC CG, so nothing the coaches did slowed him down..................an injury did.

 

[Gatorchip]

Utah was the 2021 champs no one can take that away. ever.
they are not the 2022 champs yet. they still have a chance at it.
also you are arguing conference championships and an empty case against an Oregon team who has more Pac 12 championships (and trophys of such) than any other team in the conference.
Tied for the most Pac 10/12 championships since 2000.
this is also not the football area. the pictures on the wall look like track on the near and basket ball on the back. which is also odd since oregon does have a National Championship in basketball too.
those are called display cases not trophy cases. see the back wall one has pictures maybe plaques of some sort to look at.
is that one small case empty? yes is that the size your school uses as a trophy case? thats sad.

all in all your post is a fail.

That wall of text was pointless. Utah are the PAC Champs. And the PAC champs lost to my scrubby Gators.

Your tears won’t change the facts.

 

[Volbound1700]

Except they put up 100 yards less of offense in the national championship game than they did in the SEC CG.

Anyone who has ever played football knows exactly what WR's like Jameson Williams and Metchie do to a defense, ESPECIALLY Jameson. If forces a team to keep a safety over the top and when you have two WR's who can challenge you over the top -- it forces you to play 2 deep safeties. It opens up the field for the offense.

You remove those players from the game and it immediately shrinks the field and the safeties can move closer to the line of scrimmage helping out underneath and in the run game.

It'd be like removing Hyatt and Tillman from Tennessee's offense and when Tennessee's offense doesn't look the same -- saying it was great coaching. For Tennessee -- removing Tillman isn't as big of a deal as it is removing Hyatt, as you can't just replace that speed and ability to track deep balls.

As I stated earlier -- if it was "adjustments" made by Georgia that slowed down Alabama. How did Jameson Williams have 4 catches for 65 yards in just over one quarter before going down hurt? The guy was on pace to have even more than the 187 yards he had in the SEC CG, so nothing the coaches did slowed him down..................an injury did.

You focus too much on yards. It is all about points scored. Tennessee put up 289 yards of offense against Georgia Saturday but our offense was shut down. Georgia put up 33 points in National Championship game and 24 in the SEC Championship game. I am starting to realize that Scoring Offense and Scoring Defense are more important stats when determining how good an offense/defense is.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Except they put up 100 yards less of offense in the national championship game than they did in the SEC CG.

Anyone who has ever played football knows exactly what WR's like Jameson Williams and Metchie do to a defense, ESPECIALLY Jameson. If forces a team to keep a safety over the top and when you have two WR's who can challenge you over the top -- it forces you to play 2 deep safeties. It opens up the field for the offense.

You remove those players from the game and it immediately shrinks the field and the safeties can move closer to the line of scrimmage helping out underneath and in the run game.

It'd be like removing Hyatt and Tillman from Tennessee's offense and when Tennessee's offense doesn't look the same -- saying it was great coaching. For Tennessee -- removing Tillman isn't as big of a deal as it is removing Hyatt, as you can't just replace that speed and ability to track deep balls.

As I stated earlier -- if it was "adjustments" made by Georgia that slowed down Alabama. How did Jameson Williams have 4 catches for 65 yards in just over one quarter before going down hurt? The guy was on pace to have even more than the 187 yards he had in the SEC CG, so nothing the coaches did slowed him down..................an injury did.

You are arguing with yourself. Hell, I said in my post that the injury obviously affected the game. Would they win? Who knows, they moved the ball pretty well without him but we kept them to field goals. Would he have made a difference? We don't know because that's not how football works. Pickens for us we limited in duty in the game, so our no. 1 WR, who is as good as the Bama guys were, we out. We weren't crying, we were getting AD Mitchel and Ladd McConkey ready to go.

You keep stating the obvious ... losing good players sucks. That's why the deepest teams win. They replace the good player with other good players. They adjust their offense to work with other players. They make sure they aren't one dimensional to begin with.

How do you know those 100 yards were a result of the WRs or the result or a totally different defensive scheme? You don't and I don't. What I do know is we made the adjustements, they didn't and we won. How do you know we woudn't have made other adjustements as the game went on? I won't play the "what if" crap because we don't know, and doing that is for pussies. Next man up or GTFOH.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

How do you know those 100 yards were a result of the WRs or the result or a totally different defensive scheme? You don't and I don't. What I do know is we made the adjustements, they didn't and we won. How do you know we woudn't have made other adjustements as the game went on? I won't play the "what if" crap because we don't know, and doing that is for pussies. Next man up or GTFOH.

The 100 yards I was talking about was in response to the Vols fan who said Georgia's offense was better in the 2nd game. I was simply stating Georgia's offense moved the ball much better in the SEC CG than the NCG.

As far as the comments about adjustments -- are you trying to say, after playing Alabama in the SEC CG, having a full tape to study, then an entire month to come up with "adjustments", that Jameson Williams still had 65 yards receiving in just over a quarter in the NCG and Georgia was simply waiting to spring these "adjustments" until Jameson Williams was hurt? OR.....the much more logical reason is -- Georgia didn't have anyone who could cover Jameson Williams and even with Metchie completely out and Georgia having the ability to double Williams -- they still couldn't stop him.

The perfect example is Hyatt on Tennessee. If you took Hyatt out and Bama/Tennessee played again -- Bama would win by probably 3 scores. Bama simply has no one that can cover Hyatt. So if they played again and Bama wins easily -- are you going to say -- Bama made adjustments and that's why they win easily? Of course not.

No reason to get offended -- it doesn't take the national title away from Georgia. I simply stated it had nothing to do with adjustments and everything to do with Bama losing their top two weapons, with one of them being irreplaceable. There is probably one school in all of CFB who can lose top WR's and not skip a beat passing. That's Ohio State, who has the sickest WR room in all of CFB.

 

[occupant]

Oregon won’t be in it.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Georgia put up 33 points in National Championship game and 24 in the SEC Championship game.

Georgia had an interception for a touchdown -- They scored essentially the same. Unless you think that is part of the offensive totals, then I can't help with that.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

The 100 yards I was talking about was in response to the Vols fan who said Georgia's offense was better in the 2nd game. I was simply stating Georgia's offense moved the ball much better in the SEC CG than the NCG.

As far as the comments about adjustments -- are you trying to say, after playing Alabama in the SEC CG, having a full tape to study, then an entire month to come up with "adjustments", that Jameson Williams still had 65 yards receiving in just over a quarter in the NCG and Georgia was simply waiting to spring these "adjustments" until Jameson Williams was hurt? OR.....the much more logical reason is -- Georgia didn't have anyone who could cover Jameson Williams and even with Metchie completely out and Georgia having the ability to double Williams -- they still couldn't stop him.

The perfect example is Hyatt on Tennessee. If you took Hyatt out and Bama/Tennessee played again -- Bama would win by probably 3 scores. Bama simply has no one that can cover Hyatt. So if they played again and Bama wins easily -- are you going to say -- Bama made adjustments and that's why they win easily? Of course not.

No reason to get offended -- it doesn't take the national title away from Georgia. I simply stated it had nothing to do with adjustments and everything to do with Bama losing their top two weapons, with one of them being irreplaceable. There is probably one school in all of CFB who can lose top WR's and not skip a beat passing. That's Ohio State, who has the sickest WR room in all of CFB.

If you can make up things that would have happened, so can I ... what ifs are exactly that. Bama was loaded with five star WRs ... they should have done a better job developing them. We did and it paid off.

FWIW, if you followed UGA like I do, you would know we did make huge adjustments to our D in the NCG.

I'm not offended, just don't agree with your conclusions.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

If you can make up things that would have happened, so can I ... what ifs are exactly that. Bama was loaded with five star WRs ... they should have done a better job developing them. We did and it paid off.

FWIW, if you followed UGA like I do, you would know we did make huge adjustments to our D in the NCG.

I'm not offended, just don't agree with your conclusions.

I'm not making anything up. Did Williams not have 4 catches for 65 yards in just over a quarter in the NCG? If Georgia did make the adjustments you stated -- it confirms exactly what I said -- They didn't have anyone who could cover Williams.

And you may not like my conclusions, but I have zero allegiance to either team and I am far from the only person who thinks it would have been a completely different game if Bama hadn't lost those two, but especially not Williams. (Williams had 16 receptions and 250 yards receiving in 5 quarters against Georgia)

 

[UbetterDUCK]

Oregon won’t be in it.

Not if they lose again

 

[OlyDuck]

That wall of text was pointless. Utah are the PAC Champs. And the PAC champs lost to my scrubby Gators.

Your tears won’t change the facts.

False unless they win it this year florida simply beat utah who us currently 4th in the pac standings

 

[Gatorchip]

False unless they win it this year florida simply beat utah who us currently 4th in the pac standings

Everything I said is a fact. I even explained to you how to search for the information.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I'm not making anything up. Did Williams not have 4 catches for 65 yards in just over a quarter in the NCG? If Georgia did make the adjustments you stated -- it confirms exactly what I said -- They didn't have anyone who could cover Williams.

And you may not like my conclusions, but I have zero allegiance to either team and I am far from the only person who thinks it would have been a completely different game if Bama hadn't lost those two, but especially not Williams. (Williams had 16 receptions and 250 yards receiving in 5 quarters against Georgia)

Did he score a TD? Did you watch the game? Bama continually got into the red zone and we stopped them. How do you know that wouldn’t have happen with him in? You are literally making up the scenario that shit would have happened but didn’t. When you say that something would have happened that actually didn’t you are by definition making it up.

Listen to you … people think it might have been a different game. Sure. And maybe we would have done something different. It’s what if shit. Look I said earlier it obviously changed the game. But we have no idea what exactly it would have done because it didn’t happen. The point is we don’t know. What we do know is Bama wasn’t ready when it happened. UGA had their backups ready.

You are like a dog on a bone. I’m not going to keep going in and on with you. Make up all the shot you want. UGA NCs.

 

[OlyDuck]

Everything I said is a fact. I even explained to you how to search for the information.


View attachment 91480

nothing you said was fact including the IQ score.
2021 season Utah Pac 12 champs
2022 season Pac 12 champs still TBD
currently in the 2022 season. there is no Pac 12 champs.

 

[Gatorchip]

nothing you said was fact

Who is the current PAC Champion? Utah. Prove me wrong

Who in the SEC beat the current PAC Champion? Florida. Prove me wrong.

Sorry about the IQ comment. I had no idea yours is even lower. You did prove me wrong on that one.