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Does Nebraska matter in the B1G?
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I'd love to hear the NE fans tell us how they think they can get back to some level of greatness. Here is why they are where they are, IMO:
1. No recruits alive today has any idea that Nebraska was ever great. It's been that long.
2. The best and most big uglies are in the south and staying in the south. How does NE come to GA/FL/LA/AL/TX and convince some of these kids to come to the middle of nowhere and play football when they can stay in the south and play for LSU, Bama, UGA, Clemson, and all the other really good southern schools.
3. CA as a recruiting bed has shrunk ... less and less kids in CA are playing football due to demographic issues - latinos and asians don't play football as much, and CA population has grown incredibly with latin and asians.
4. They are in the B1G and haven't competed with the big teams in the B1G, so recruits are more likely to go to B1GE teams and Wisky, and Iowa kids staying home.
Like I think college football is better when the PAC is good, it's better when teams like NE, FSU, Miami, UT - traditional powers - are good. You have fantastic fans. I'd love to see you really get back to greatness and challenge tOSU.
1. No recruits alive today has any idea that Nebraska was ever great. It's been that long.
2. The best and most big uglies are in the south and staying in the south. How does NE come to GA/FL/LA/AL/TX and convince some of these kids to come to the middle of nowhere and play football when they can stay in the south and play for LSU, Bama, UGA, Clemson, and all the other really good southern schools.
3. CA as a recruiting bed has shrunk ... less and less kids in CA are playing football due to demographic issues - latinos and asians don't play football as much, and CA population has grown incredibly with latin and asians.
4. They are in the B1G and haven't competed with the big teams in the B1G, so recruits are more likely to go to B1GE teams and Wisky, and Iowa kids staying home.
Like I think college football is better when the PAC is good, it's better when teams like NE, FSU, Miami, UT - traditional powers - are good. You have fantastic fans. I'd love to see you really get back to greatness and challenge tOSU.
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They need to get a good system that can win with lower star recruits. Programs that have been successful at doing this are Missouri (under Pinkel), Kansas State, and Wisconsin.
As stated, going back to 1990s strategy may work today. It won't win a title but would get them back to 9-10 wins and make them relevant enough to start getting top talent. Remember that it took Osborne a couple of decades before he got a title.
Sounds like a good plan vb but things/times have changed. The historical success of Mizzou, K-State and WIsconsin aren't considered success anymore in the grand scheme of things. Success is now measured in making the CFP. The more data we get the more that data is telling us that if you don't cut it in attracting top talent several years in a row, your chances of achieving the new "success" are very, very difficult to overcome after NSD.
Example: Top recruit - Mizzou, K-State and Wisconsin have had three 9 win seasons and are recruiting this kid. Selling "we just need 4*/5* kids like you to get us to 11-12 wins so we can make the playoffs. Come play with us." Ohio State, Clemson and Alabama are after the same kids and selling "Come play with us. You get to play with a roster full of 4*/5* players just like you and make the playoffs every year."
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Not everyone can play at Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State. Also, getting those underrated players that are really talented is something these teams can do. Missouri won the SEC East beating Georgia and Florida with 3 star talent. Wisconsin wins 10-11 games win 3 star talent.
The problem with stars is it mostly measures physical ability and not necessarily mental ability. I know this because Tennessee gets these great stars that end up underperforming all of the time because they don't have the football smarts.
Nebraska has a big enough name that if they can get back to winning 9 games and perhaps winning the B1G East (they really just need to beat out Iowa, Northwestern and Wisconsin), they would be able to sell themselves as a top program.
15 years ago, we weren't even talking about Alabama and Clemson (pre-Saban and pre-Swinney). USC Trojans, LSU, Florida State, Florida, Texas, and Oklahoma were in the mix. With time, things change. Nebraska needs to start climbing the conference pecking order. It wouldn't be that hard for Nebraska to start to beat out its rivals in the B1G West. None of them are recruiting 5 stars anyways.
I told people that Tennessee with Pruitt needed to get back to at least finishing in top 3 in SEC East to get competitive again over his first 2-3 seasons. Last Season (and this season) he has done that. He is beating Missouri, South Carolina, Vandy, and Kentucky. Next step is perhaps Florida and then finally Georgia. It hurts Pruitt that Florida and Georgia hired solid coaches in 2016-2017 and both are fielding top 10 teams again. Put Pruitt back in 2014/2015 when Butch Jones started to get talent, Pruitt probably would win the SEC East. (All Jones had to do in 2016 was beat South Carolina and Vandy to win the East and he blew it).
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Mizzu did that with Big 12 players.. since then.. when it's been able to sell SEC, they haven't come close. It's going to take a really really smart coach and a staff that can not only evaluate but develop players for schools like Mizzu, NE, KY, ISU,IA, WI, etc to come close to winning a championship. NE has a big name? But for whom? Parents of these kids?
"Hey son, when I was in high school back in 95, Tommie Frazier and NE was special, why don't you go there? Sure Texas, aggy, LSU, TCU, ou are closer here in Houston but son, I remember that NE vs gator game like my cheat codes for Madden 95... give them a chance"
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WI is who I was thinking of. They win by getting great OL guys and then build around that. NE should be able to recruit instate and get great OL and DL
Why didn't thread end here?
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Don't understand the 4 or 5 star recruit who signs with a school who signed another 4/5 guy at the same position that same year and has multiple 4/5's ahead of them.
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Because if it's a factory like Bama, you know you are 90% sure it's going to go your way by your jr season
Not with scholarship limits they can't. But, if those three were only able to secure about 20% of their "desired" 25 in a recruiting class, and the other 80% found homes at schools like Mizzou, K-State, Neb, etc, then things would definitely change. But let's line those up.
Top rated kid has a choice:
Mizzou - Ohio State?
K-State - Clemson?
Nebraska - Alabama?
Where do those kids end up? I'm saying Ohio State, Clemson, and Alabama.
VB, I'm a believer in good developing coaches...especially when they have the nads to give it ago at lesser named places like Bill Snyder, K-State, Pat Fitzgerald Northwesten...hell even Leach at outliers like Texas Tecn an Wazzou. etc. But they are and will continue to be fighting against talent odds that even they can't overcome with the current structure. IMO, the only way for them to achieve success in the CFP era is to have a playoff field expanded enough to allow them to "get in" when they have that magical year. Then they might get on a run and pull off a cinderella. But, that is not what the powers in CFB desire.
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I never understood the St Louis area.. it's a fertile recruiting ground, but the players often choose schools outside Mizzu. Think the last bluechip player than committed to them was DGB, the 5 star WR..who transferred, then went to the NFL
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As you stated, it depends on what your goals are. Going 9-3, 10-2, sure you can scheme that if you are good. But you won't beat tOSU and the other top B1G teams if you don't have that jimmies and joes. Certainly won't sniff a natty with scheming. Problem is that NE faithful want titles, not 10-2 and a trip to the Citrus Bowl.
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Iron sharpens iron. If your goal is to get to the NFL, you want to play for coaches that have a history of getting players to the NFL. Going up against other NFL talent is better than going up a slew of 3*. Also, the top guys have the confidence to believe they can beat out the best of the best. It's in their DNA.
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Also, you misread my post. My point is that teams can have good years without great recruits and used those schools as an example. Missouri got a good coach, Gary Pinkel, that allowed them to compete in the Big12 North and SEC East until he retired with 3 star teams. They haven't been able to replace him since.