Electric Cars

I just heard a blurb about how so many E/V buyers are dissatisfied and feel that they were misled about a.) the true cost of ownership, and b.) the inconvenience of the charging process.

That was disappointing to hear and reinforces my conviction that this technology is still years away from being efficient.

if they were misled they were idiots that didn't research it.

I just bought a car last week...

100% Gas in that bitch
 
Car batteries in the last couple of decades are completely sealed and spill proof unless you melt them open, they are maintenance free. The old school ones certainly were a leak hazard. But I trust a torqued down rubber or cork gasket a lot more than a tiny o-ring that is supposed to keep water out of a connector. Gas engines are just air pumps so they only operate when they are complete sealed from any air leaks. Electric motors are the opposite in that most rely on the air to keep them cooled. There are of course sealed motors, but not sure if that is what drives EV's or not. I would expect them to have shielding to prevent water splashes from getting in but not completely air tight. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd trust a gasoline engine going through water a lot more than an electric. A little water gets in your engine and it blows right through. A little water gets in an electrical component and you have to bust out the rice.

I can only speak to what I know about the products my company engineers and the test results. I've never owned an AV.
 
I just heard a blurb about how so many E/V buyers are dissatisfied and feel that they were misled about a.) the true cost of ownership, and b.) the inconvenience of the charging process.

That was disappointing to hear and reinforces my conviction that this technology is still years away from being efficient.
I’m not sure what the “true cost of ownership”means? It was $910 for us to put in the plug. And with about 10,000 miles on the car so far the only thing we’ve had to pay for was about a $150 increase in our energy bill. But that’s a reduction compared to our $300/month gas bill.
 
I can only speak to what I know about the products my company engineers and the test results. I've never owned an AV.

*EV lol

But I'm assuming the electric motors must be very well sealed or they would fail like an old school cracked distributor cap.
 
I can only speak to what I know about the products my company engineers and the test results. I've never owned an AV.
Fair enough, and I can only speak from my personal experience. Any issues I've had with a gas engine going through water or mud has come from water getting into electronics. A bead of silicone around the distributor cap, making sure all little o-rings and gaskets are in good shape and seated properly, etc. Pretty easy to do when there are only a couple of things to check, but on an EV it literally everything that has to be checked.
 
That seems like a lot of miles. Wasn't it yesterday you got the thing ?
She drives a little over 100 miles a day. So 500 a week, 2000 a month. Give or take. Which is why it’s been so nice. That’s also 2 oil changes we haven’t had to pay for so far.
 
Well the positive thing is we have Ginny pigs in these Democrat test dummies. Cars, vaccines you name it

A week ago or so I read that Tesla dropped their price about $20000 on some cars. So people who bought cars 1 day prior saw the drop the next and felt hella stupid
lol

"Ginny pigs"
 
lol

"Ginny pigs"

You’re a toolbox internet grammar nazi that admits to being a ginny pig while flaunting your tennis game.


More LOL
 
I just bought a car last week...

100% Gas in that bitch
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You’re a toolbox internet grammar nazi that admits to being a ginny pig while flaunting your tennis game.


More LOL
you can't even spell it right given a second opportunity.
 
you can't even spell it right given a second opportunity.


Haha Ginny pig is just for you. Can I get a third grammar nazi post from the toolbox? It just drives you nuts huh
 
Haha Ginny pig is just for you. Can I get a third grammar nazi post from the toolbox? It just drives you nuts huh
not really....just cements my knowledge in that you aren't very smart.
 
I’m not sure what the “true cost of ownership”means? It was $910 for us to put in the plug. And with about 10,000 miles on the car so far the only thing we’ve had to pay for was about a $150 increase in our energy bill. But that’s a reduction compared to our $300/month gas bill.

Was your car payment the same? I would think most EVs would be more than $150 a month difference in payment
 
Was your car payment the same? I would think most EVs would be more than $150 a month difference in payment
It was about in the same price range of the cars we were looking at but it's a smaller car than what we were originally shopping for. So that was the trade off for us. We were looking in the typical small SUV bracket, my wife liked the Honda CRV and was OK with the HRV. So it's more comparable to the HRV; which decently equipped models were like $26k, and we ended up at $27,800~ish on the Chevy. So only a matter of like $45~ish/month on the payment compared to that, it was significantly cheaper than the CRV, which at the time we couldn't find for under $33k. Another tradeoff was not having AWD, which is a bummer but manageable. Not sure why they didn't include that in the Bolt lineup, most EV's have an option for 4 wheel motors.

*one caveat is that we did get $2k knocked off by our GM Family discount. Which is a LOT for that, I think we we bought our Trax in 2015 we only got $500 off for that. So it was closer to a $30k car MSRP.
 
Just saw this, and it shows how quickly the EV world is changing:

"I know what you're thinking—what about the other pieces needed to complete a drive unit like the single-speed transmission, differential, and inverter? Well, that's all included in the 70.5-pound official figure, which makes this all the more impressive."
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That's crazy shit.
 
Just saw this, and it shows how quickly the EV world is changing:

"I know what you're thinking—what about the other pieces needed to complete a drive unit like the single-speed transmission, differential, and inverter? Well, that's all included in the 70.5-pound official figure, which makes this all the more impressive."
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That's crazy shit.
Moore's Law, baby

it's only going to get more and more better.
 
Moore's Law, baby

it's only going to get more and more better.
I've seen some stuff on solid state batteries, specifically what Nissan is building, and they're trying to: "We want to get the cost down [compared with standard lithium-ion batteries] by 50 percent, to double the energy density and to offer three times the charging speed."

If they can do that, combined with the motor size, that might mean you could offer CHEAPER EVs compared to gas vehicles that offer about the same fill-up times (~5 min).
 
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