Electric Cars

ill said:
link?

because I am pretty sure you are just making shit up at this point.
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There are a lot of links to that. To be fair, regular are cars far less efficient in the cold too. I probably loose 20 - 30 percent of range on my truck in the winter. The difference is the amount of time it takes to recharge an EV. Where our regular cars and trucks can be refilled in minutes. An EV trying to charge in the cold is not a great time.

@Center Ice isn't making shit up. EV's suck in cold weather compared to ICEs. A trip from Watertown to Buffalo to see a Bills game would be a full day event just in travel making a overnight stay the only option because of very poor mileage and very poor charging conditions. And as that battery is ages, they become even far less efficient. EICs don't have near the drop off in lasting power as they age.

Temperatures below freezing are taxing on all machines. EVs are no exception, particularly in the charging department. For instance, the Idaho National Laboratory determined that at 32 degrees Fahrenheit, a standard EV battery took in 36% less usable energy than the same battery did at 77 degrees Fahrenheit. While that may sound scary, 100% of a charge can still be achieved as long as the EV has a chance to charge for a longer amount of time.

n top of less charging efficiency, the battery is under a significant amount of stress trying to keep important components and the inside of the car warm. Unlike an ICE-powered vehicle, an EV depends on the battery to generate heat for the cabin, which reduces the total range of the vehicle. In areas that observe daylight savings time, less daylight means more headlight usage. Colder nighttime temperatures also increase the use of the defroster.

 
dikowt dowg said:
There are a lot of links to that. Regular cars far less efficient in the cold too. I probably loose 20 - 30 percent of range on my truck in the winter. The difference amount of time it takes to recharge an EV. Where our regular cars and trucks can be refilled in minutes. An EV trying to charge in the cold is not a great time.

@Center Ice isn't making shit up. EV's suck in cold weather compared to ICEs. A trip from Watertown to Buffalo to see a Bills game would be a full day event just in travel making a overnight stay the only option because of very poor mileage and very poor charging conditions. As that battery is used, they become even far less efficient.

Temperatures below freezing are taxing on all machines. EVs are no exception, particularly in the charging department. For instance, the Idaho National Laboratory determined that at 32 degrees Fahrenheit, a standard EV battery took in 36% less usable energy than the same battery did at 77 degrees Fahrenheit. While that may sound scary, 100% of a charge can still be achieved as long as the EV has a chance to charge for a longer amount of time.

n top of less charging efficiency, the battery is under a significant amount of stress trying to keep important components and the inside of the car warm. Unlike an ICE-powered vehicle, an EV depends on the battery to generate heat for the cabin, which reduces the total range of the vehicle. In areas that observe daylight savings time, less daylight means more headlight usage. Colder nighttime temperatures also increase the use of the defroster.

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it isn't 30% though.

I want a link that says what he is claiming and that he isn't embellishing.

and yes, all cars lose range in the winter and it is actually comparable between ICE and EVs.

so if he is going to bitch about EVs in the winter, he can bitch about ICEs too.

and his "don't even think about using your heater" is just BS. Dude is just fearmongering.

another idiot here (or at Eurohoop) said they had a friend of a friend say they only got 36 miles on a full charge on their Tesla because they used their heater. So so so incorrect. Stop spreading misinformation because you want to put down EVs
 
outofyourmind said:
He did say that EV's are perfect for a 2-3 car family where 1 car is perfect for EV use.
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outofyourmind said:
Ford CEO also said that a lot of Ford customers will be late to the EV party because of what they drive, like Commercial and huge SUV's.
Said those would obviously lag behind. And that is a large part of their customer base.

He did say that EV's are perfect for a 2-3 car family where 1 car is perfect for EV use.

Not sure if that's a good testimonial or not.
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link?
 
ill said:
it isn't 30% though.
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Finding real figures is pretty much impossible at this point. They have yet to be tested by real world drivers with limited incomes, trying to get to work everyday, regardless of conditions. Right now, there are opinions everywhere. But real data is scarce and limited in scope. What I just explained and linked to illustrate the facts should have been enough for you to reason he isn't far off, if off at all.

As a battery ages, the effects of cold weather are exacerbated significantly. In Watertown winters, you can't start your car and go. Defrosters for the windshield and side windows, defrosters for the outside mirrors, wipers and seat warmers are engaged and running until you get to your destination. Starting temps are often below zero. He lives further north than I.

An ICE engine comes with it's own charging station to run those things and keep the battery fully charged.
 
It's fun watching my cell phone go from 50% charge to 0% in an hour while snowboarding while insulated inside my jacket close to my chest. Surely cars will be different.
 
Flavortown Tebow said:
It's fun watching my cell phone go from 50% charge to 0% in an hour while snowboarding while insulated inside my jacket close to my chest. Surely cars will be different.
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maybe it's because it is searching for a signal on the mountain and not becuase it's cold out...

just a thought...

idiot.
 
dikowt dowg said:
Finding real figures is pretty much impossible at this point. They have yet to be tested by real world drivers with limited incomes, trying to get to work everyday, regardless of conditions. Right now, there are opinions everywhere. But real data is scarce and limited in scope. What I just explained and linked to illustrate the facts should have been enough for you to reason he isn't far off, if off at all.

As a battery ages, the effects of cold weather are exacerbated significantly. In Watertown winters, you can't start your car and go. Defrosters for the windshield and side windows, defrosters for the outside mirrors, wipers and seat warmers are engaged and running until you get to your destination. Starting temps are often below zero. He lives further north than I.

An ICE engine comes with it's own charging station to run those things and keep the battery fully charged.
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so you think it is ok to just throw out numbers that you think are right just because finding real figures is "impossible"?
 
ill said:
so you think it is ok to just throw out numbers that you think are right just because finding real figures is "impossible"?
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I believe you were provided numbers that were very close to his and that article only spoke to temps down to 32 degrees.

I told you that temps going to work in the AM were often below zero. That is a fact, I'm sure you can actually look up historical data if you want to take the time.

I believe that an educated man like yourself would then be able to figure out that when the article is quoted

"Temperatures below freezing are taxing on all machines. EVs are no exception, particularly in the charging department. For instance, the Idaho National Laboratory determined that at 32 degrees..."

that battery would suffer a much larger reduction at zero, -10 or -20...for me in Watertown. I have no idea how cold it gets where center ice lives.

the article went on to quote:

On top of less charging efficiency, the battery is under a significant amount of stress trying to keep important components and the inside of the car warm. Unlike an ICE-powered vehicle, an EV depends on the battery to generate heat for the cabin, which reduces the total range of the vehicle. In areas that observe daylight savings time, less daylight means more headlight usage. Colder nighttime temperatures also increase the use of the defroster.

You may be educated. But you lack so much.
 
dikowt dowg said:
I believe you were provided numbers that were very close to his and that article only spoke to temps down to 32 degrees.

I told you that temps going to work in the AM were often below zero. That is a fact, I'm sure you can actually look up historical data if you want to take the time.

I believe that an educated man like yourself would then be able to figure out that when the article is quoted "Temperatures below freezing are taxing on all machines. EVs are no exception, particularly in the charging department. For instance, the Idaho National Laboratory determined that at 32 degrees..." that battery would suffer a much larger reduction at zero, -10 or -20...for me in Watertown. I have no idea how cold it gets where center ice lives.

the article went on to quote:

On top of less charging efficiency, the battery is under a significant amount of stress trying to keep important components and the inside of the car warm. Unlike an ICE-powered vehicle, an EV depends on the battery to generate heat for the cabin, which reduces the total range of the vehicle. In areas that observe daylight savings time, less daylight means more headlight usage. Colder nighttime temperatures also increase the use of the defroster.

You may be educated. But you lack so much.
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so he is throwing around his own assumptions based on what he has heard.

cool.

always fun when false information is spread on the internet.
 
ill said:
so he is throwing around his own assumptions based on what he has heard.

cool.

always fun when false information is spread on the internet.
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hahahaha You're so silly.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
lol...8. Thing is basically like funneling gas in. What's the gas tank size on that? Even a 20 gallon tank would only get you 160 miles lol.
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My 84 F-250 has a 460 big block. 8 MPGs, and just a 12 gallon tank. You can literally see the gas hand moving down. Only runs right on premium too.

I pretty much only use it when I need to pull something heavy or bring loads of firewood to my great uncle. My grandpa bought it new, so I’ll never get rid of it, but it’s not practical at all as a daily driver(even though my grandpa used it as his for many years)
 
Wait. I read it again, he's saying 1 of the 3 is fine for EV use. Whatever, EVs are stupid.
 
outofyourmind said:
This looks to be it.

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I think what he says is accurate.

if you are pulling a 5th-wheel all over Wyoming, it might not be for you.

but if you have 2-3 vehicles and one is for driving around town, an EV would be the perfect fit.

if we categorize what vehicles are used for (daily driver, commuting, work, etc) I think an EV is perfect for a daily commuter or a car to drive kids to school and sports and whatnot. They are improving in other areas but they might not be there just yet.
 
outofyourmind said:
It didn't seem like an overwhelming endorsement really.
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"If your family can afford 3 vehicles, an EV is sometimes fun to use."

Groceries are up 400% and people are blowing their brains out at a higher rate than ever since they can't afford to pay rent, but yea if you can afford 3 cars an EV sounds pretty cool.
 
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