Electric Cars

ill said:
yes, phone batteries take a hit if you leave it in cold cold weather.

but like I said, I am thinking his phone died because it was searching for a signal on the mountain, not because it was cold.

that happens when I am on a boat in perfect temps
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That's fine. It happens faster when it's cold. Common knowledge.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
But that's a good thing....giving apartment-living peeps the ability to charge at home. Even if it's more expensive, it won't be more expensive than going to a gas station.
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he isn't going to see the cost benefit. He's a moron.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
The big problem right now is still 1. people getting at home charging installed
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And here's my problem.
Not only the cost of the run to the charger in the garage, but I would have to upgrade my entire box to 200 amps because it just doesn't have the room in it, so added cost. Thousands and thousands of dollars.
 
SlinkyRedfoot said:
That's fine. It happens faster when it's cold. Common knowledge.
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I am not disputing that a battery dies faster if it is in the cold.

think is, your phone isn't cold if it is in your pocket and insulated.
 
Flavortown Tebow said:
I mean, other than jacking up their rent $200 a month to pay for the infrastructure and maintenance sure much cheaper than going to the gas station.
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Maybe -- but more likely private companies will pay the apartment complex to put in their charging network on their property. That's what is going on now -- a bunch of charging companies jockeying for supremacy. Example -- Chargepoint pays the complex to put in 100 chargers in parking spots, then you (the apartment leaser) have a chargepoint account set up and pay the chargepoint rates to use their chargers.

I doubt we'll see what you're suggesting -- which is an apartment complex forking over $100k to put in X number of chargers and then raising the rent to pay for them. I'm sure there might be some small scale where they have some chargers you can pay to use - or - add on extra to your rent to get one of those spots (like you would for, say, a covered car-park at an apartment)
 
outofyourmind said:
And here's my problem.
Not only the cost of the run to the charger in the garage, but I would have to upgrade my entire box to 200 amps because it just doesn't have the room in it, so added cost. Thousands and thousands of dollars.
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you have to weigh the investment just like with anything else.

if you can justify it and you know you will see benefits down the road, then you go for it.

if you don't, you don't. No one is forcing you.
 
outofyourmind said:
And here's my problem.
Not only the cost of the run to the charger in the garage, but I would have to upgrade my entire box to 200 amps because it just doesn't have the room in it, so added cost. Thousands and thousands of dollars.
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That's what's costing all the big bucks, really. Infrastructure upgrades. But it's going to eventually happen. Like any big infrastructure undertaking, it's going to take a lot of money and some time to chunk away at it. Which is why rebates and tax credits are important to help people make that switch. In 20 years if you don't have the ability to charge at home, you're going to be disadvantaged if you're looking at a new car.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Maybe -- but more likely private companies will pay the apartment complex to put in their charging network on their property. That's what is going on now -- a bunch of charging companies jockeying for supremacy. Example -- Chargepoint pays the complex to put in 100 chargers in parking spots, then you (the apartment leaser) have a chargepoint account set up and pay the chargepoint rates to use their chargers.

I doubt we'll see what you're suggesting -- which is an apartment complex forking over $100k to put in X number of chargers and then raising the rent to pay for them. I'm sure there might be some small scale where they have some chargers you can pay to use - or - add on extra to your rent to get one of those spots (like you would for, say, a covered car-park at an apartment)
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So, you say charging is extremely cheap ($2 you say?), but the charging companies are tripping over themselves to install units at apartment complexes to get tenants to pay $2 a week for something?

I mean, I'm not a fucking botanist but it would be weird to be excited to make $100 a year from an account that you installed a bunch of hardware that you need to maintain.
 
ill said:
you have to weigh the investment just like with anything else.

if you can justify it and you know you will see benefits down the road, then you go for it.

if you don't, you don't. No one is forcing you.
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Exactly.
I drive 300 miles a month, so I'm not spending thousands of dollars to get there.

But, I'm one of those guys that would love an EV.
No more oil changes.
No more trips to the gas station.
 
Flavortown Tebow said:
So, you say charging is extremely cheap ($2 you say?), but the charging companies are tripping over themselves to install units at apartment complexes to get tenants to pay $2 a week for something?

I mean, I'm not a fucking botanist but it would be weird to be excited to make $100 a year from an account that you installed a bunch of hardware that you need to maintain.
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Charging companies are more expensive. Charging at home vs. charging at a station are two different prices. All the charging companies that offer public chargers have specific rates you pay. My rate at home is just my power rate. My rate at a charging station is going to be whatever that rate is that the company is charging. For instance, the chargepoint stations here in ann arbor charge $.25 per kilowatt hour. If our 65 kWh battery was completely at 0, it would cost $16.25 to fill up at one of those stations. But you wouldn't be at 0, so at a partial charge you're probably close to $10 to fill up. Still cheaper than going to buy gas. Some offer a monthly fee to use as well or a subscription service that offers cheaper rates. Some have a flat fee they charge just to use the station plus whatever the kilowatt hour rate is. That's how they make their money.
 
ill said:
I am not disputing that a battery dies faster if it is in the cold.
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"I know that batteries die faster in the cold, but when he was out in the cold, his battery died because his phone was searching for service."

And you called him an idiot over it. It's cracking me up.
ill said:
think is, your phone isn't cold if it is in your pocket and insulated.
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Yes it is cold in your pocket, but I've neither the time nor the inclination to explain that to you. I ski over 30 days a year. I'm going to take my real world experience over your internet-know-it-all conjecture.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Maybe -- but more likely private companies will pay the apartment complex to put in their charging network on their property. That's what is going on now -- a bunch of charging companies jockeying for supremacy. Example -- Chargepoint pays the complex to put in 100 chargers in parking spots, then you (the apartment leaser) have a chargepoint account set up and pay the chargepoint rates to use their chargers.

I doubt we'll see what you're suggesting -- which is an apartment complex forking over $100k to put in X number of chargers and then raising the rent to pay for them. I'm sure there might be some small scale where they have some chargers you can pay to use - or - add on extra to your rent to get one of those spots (like you would for, say, a covered car-park at an apartment)
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I tend to agree with you here.

In fact, if EVs continue to make up more of the car market, I could see landlords installing chargers as a marketable amenity.
 
SlinkyRedfoot said:
"I know that batteries die faster in the cold, but when he was out in the cold, his battery died because his phone was searching for service."

And you called him an idiot over it. It's cracking me up.

Yes it is cold in your pocket, but I've neither the time nor the inclination to explain that to you. I ski over 30 days a year. I'm going to take my real world experience over your internet-know-it-all conjecture.
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Cold was a big drain on ours. In the spring-fall we're getting like 240 miles on a full charge. In winter we were down to like 180 on a full charge. But still, it's plenty for most of the driving we do. I think they need to get these cars up above 400 mile ranges, at that point the losses in cold weather won't be as significant to most people for normal driving.
 
SlinkyRedfoot said:
"I know that batteries die faster in the cold, but when he was out in the cold, his battery died because his phone was searching for service."

And you called him an idiot over it. It's cracking me up.

Yes it is cold in your pocket, but I've neither the time nor the inclination to explain that to you. I ski over 30 days a year. I'm going to take my real world experience over your internet-know-it-all conjecture.
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Trust me, his phone battery isn't dropping 50% in no time JUST because it's cold on the FUCKING MOUNTAIN

Do you keep your wifi on on your phone while skiing?
 
outofyourmind said:
Yeah, the title is click bait, but has some nice facts.

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I have watched a few of his videos before. He is knowledgeable but annoying.
I can't take his voice and hand gestures after a while. Dudes a spaztic MF'er!
 
SlinkyRedfoot said:
Yeah, OK.

I'm impressed with your willingness to die on these hills regardless of how stupid you look doing so.
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so you think his phone died because it was cold and no other reason?

or do you think the majority reason for his phone battery to drain is because it was cold?

because IMO, both are wrong.
 
ill said:
so you think his phone died because it was cold and no other reason?

or do you think the majority reason for his phone battery to drain is because it was cold?

because IMO, both are wrong.
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No, I think you're a fucking muppet.
 
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