Electric Cars

[ill]

It didn't seem like an overwhelming endorsement really.

too many people think that they are trying to push out of the ICEs in the world immediately and that just isn't the case.

but there are a lot of people who would benefit from having an EV in their garage right now.

 

[ill]

"If your family can afford 3 vehicles, an EV is sometimes fun to use."

Groceries are up 400% and people are blowing their brains out at a higher rate than ever since they can't afford to pay rent, but yea if you can afford 3 cars an EV sounds pretty cool.

first, he doesn't say "fun"

and he isn't forcing anyone to do anything...it's choice just like any purchase is.

 

[douggie]

According to JD Power EV cars make up less than 1% of new cars sold in the US.

https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/what-percent-of-us-car-sales-are-electric#:~:text=Although%20this%20was%20a%20significant,electric%20models%20reached%20the%20market.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I think what he says is accurate.

if you are pulling a 5th-wheel all over Wyoming, it might not be for you.

but if you have 2-3 vehicles and one is for driving around town, an EV would be the perfect fit.

if we categorize what vehicles are used for (daily driver, commuting, work, etc) I think an EV is perfect for a daily commuter or a car to drive kids to school and sports and whatnot. They are improving in other areas but they might not be there just yet.

Yup, this is how my wife uses hers. To and from work car. Super coinvent and really the perfect car for the job. And honestly, we choose to drive it most of the time when we're hopping around the area on weekends as well. Costs us almost nothing to charge compared to gas. What would cost us 1/2 tank of gas and $20, is costing us like $2 to charge.

I say that with an *if* you're able to charge at home.

 

[ill]

According to JD Power EV cars make up less than 1% of new cars sold in the US.

https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/what-percent-of-us-car-sales-are-electric#:~:text=Although%20this%20was%20a%20significant,electric%20models%20reached%20the%20market.

that makes sense.

 

[ill]

Yup, this is how my wife uses hers. To and from work car. Super coinvent and really the perfect car for the job. And honestly, we choose to drive it most of the time when we're hopping around the area on weekends as well. Costs us almost nothing to charge compared to gas. What would cost us 1/2 tank of gas and $20, is costing us like $2 to charge.

I say that with an *if* you're able to charge at home.

I would imagine that would be a requirement if you were to have an EV. I would be happy to leave my house each morning with a full tank.

I could then make my Tacoma more of a recreational kind of vehicle for towing boats and whatnot...

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

It's fun watching my cell phone go from 50% charge to 0% in an hour while snowboarding while insulated inside my jacket close to my chest. Surely cars will be different.

Yep.

Phones batteries are definately affected by cold temps, particularly as they get older. I have no idea how that relates to electric car batteries, but between that and the cost of replacement batteries is enough to keep me from entertaining the thought of an electric.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Ford CEO also said that a lot of Ford customers will be late to the EV party because of what they drive, like Commercial and huge SUV's.
Said those would obviously lag behind. And that is a large part of their customer base.

He did say that EV's are perfect for a 2-3 car family where 1 car is perfect for EV use.

Not sure if that's a good testimonial or not.

I think that's just where they're at right now. EV's can suck up a good percentage of driving most people do -- but there's some stuff they just don't do well yet. You can't reasonably tow a boat or camper 4 hours up north in Michigan with an EV. There are some range limitations -- and a lot of it has to do with availability of public charging right now. People will make the switch first who have two cars because they can rely on the gas car for those "other" circumstances.

The big problem right now is still 1. people getting at home charging installed and 2. the cost of an EV compared to equivalent gas vehicles. As soon as those start aligning, and they probably will soon with the economics of scale involved, EV's will start to be more accessible to people. If they start hitting 400+ ranges on the average EV, with quick charging available, I think that really opens the door a lot.

 

[Deep Dish Pizza Goat]

Yep.

Phones batteries are definately affected by cold temps, particularly as they get older. I have no idea how that relates to electric car batteries, but between that and the cost of replacement batteries is enough to keep me from entertaining the thought of an electric.

Takes a helluva lot less juice to fire up a screen than a 4000lb object too. If a cell phone can't do it, loooooooooooool to a car doing it.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

When the infrastructure gets better, and the range and charge times improve, I’d have no issue having an electric truck.

I would have to clean out my garage though. That’s where my side by side and 4 wheeler stays

 

[Deep Dish Pizza Goat]

When the infrastructure gets better, and the range and charge times improve, I’d have no issue having an electric truck.

I would have to clean out my garage though. That’s where my side by side and 4 wheeler stays

Talk to me when the batteries become cheap and able to swap out a dead in the middle of a road trip.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

But when EVs do take over completely, I wonder if the kids will rig speakers outside of their cars/trucks to mimic the sounds of the loud exhausts that they like for some reason. Can’t just straight pipe an EV

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

Talk to me when the batteries become cheap and able to swap out a dead in the middle of a road trip.

It’ll be years before I’d consider one to be a possibility.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

maybe it's because it is searching for a signal on the mountain and not becuase it's cold out...

just a thought...

idiot.

You're not aware that cold affects phones' batteries and you're calling him an idiot.

That's fuckin' great. lolz.

 

[Deep Dish Pizza Goat]

I think that's just where they're at right now. EV's can suck up a good percentage of driving most people do -- but there's some stuff they just don't do well yet. You can't reasonably tow a boat or camper 4 hours up north in Michigan with an EV. There are some range limitations -- and a lot of it has to do with availability of public charging right now. People will make the switch first who have two cars because they can rely on the gas car for those "other" circumstances.

The big problem right now is still 1. people getting at home charging installed and 2. the cost of an EV compared to equivalent gas vehicles. As soon as those start aligning, and they probably will soon with the economics of scale involved, EV's will start to be more accessible to people. If they start hitting 400+ ranges on the average EV, with quick charging available, I think that really opens the door a lot.

It'll really open the doors when property management companies decide they want to install 200 charging stations at every single one of their apartment complexes.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Yep.

Phones batteries are definately affected by cold temps, particularly as they get older. I have no idea how that relates to electric car batteries, but between that and the cost of replacement batteries is enough to keep me from entertaining the thought of an electric.

The initial data is looking pretty good for the longevity of car batteries (which are, in fact, different than your cell phone battery). Tesla is reporting something like only an average of a 5-8% degradation at 100,000 miles; which really isn't much different than the fuel MPG on your gas car with that many miles on it. Not to mention they're specifically trying to help customers get over the "what about the battery" thoughts with pretty long warranties. Most have 100k warranties on the batteries, I think Tesla has a 150k warranty.

Now...used electric vehicles would be a concern. But we'll see -- Tesla is still pretty confident in theirs past 200k miles. Not sure how the other brands are holding up.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

It'll really open the doors when property management companies decide they want to install 200 charging stations at every single one of their apartment complexes.

But that's a good thing....giving apartment-living peeps the ability to charge at home. Even if it's more expensive, it won't be more expensive than going to a gas station.

 

[Deep Dish Pizza Goat]

But that's a good thing....giving apartment-living peeps the ability to charge at home. Even if it's more expensive, it won't be more expensive than going to a gas station.

I mean, other than jacking up their rent $200 a month to pay for the infrastructure and maintenance sure much cheaper than going to the gas station.

 

[ill]

Yep.

Phones batteries are definately affected by cold temps, particularly as they get older. I have no idea how that relates to electric car batteries, but between that and the cost of replacement batteries is enough to keep me from entertaining the thought of an electric.

yes, phone batteries take a hit if you leave it in cold cold weather.

but like I said, I am thinking his phone died because it was searching for a signal on the mountain, not because it was cold.

that happens when I am on a boat in perfect temps

 

[ill]

It'll really open the doors when property management companies decide they want to install 200 charging stations at every single one of their apartment complexes.

again with the dramatics

no one is installing 200 charging stations lol