Oregon & Washington To Big Ten

[Volbound1700]

I am very hopeful that expansion for the SEC has stopped. I think the B1G might go after Ore and UDub, but only because of academic fit and the west coast aspect of things for non-football.

As for the SEC, there are only three teams that come close to driving enough revenue to earn a share. Remember ... this is about staying in the conference. We'd kick out many schools if you had to justify your economic existence every year. But when you want in it's a different consideration. It's the delta. If you want a $100 million dollar share, does bring you in drive an extra $100 million to the SEC. If not, why let you in?

Notre Dame for sure, and maybe FSU and Clemson move the needle. That's it.

SEC won't add anyone right now so I think you don't have to worry.

Clemson and FSU are not leaving the ACC but they do move the needle enough to get interest.

(Well they are not leaving unless my theoretical/maybe unrealistic legal ideas that I would never recommend and I am just posting for message board discussion to mix things up happen).

I also think that the SEC wouldn't want either of them right now anyways...

 

[Kburjr]

I've said it before, I respect you as a poster because you are a consistent contrarian poster. I don't agree with you often - like this one here - but you are always a straight shooter - it's what you want, not what you think everyone else wants.

'Zactly

 

[Wild Turkey]

If I were the other teams in the PAC, I'd have a call setup later tonight with the B12. "What can we do together? UW and UO are obviously not serious, ignore them and let's move on. Take the corner schools and be done with it.

Why would the Big 12 negotiate with the PAC? If this keeps up (even if it doesn’t happen) the other schools are going to be pissed and will knock on the Big 12s door. At this point they can sit back and cherry pick.

I don’t think the B1G takes them and if they do eventually they’ll have to pony up full shares and the value isn’t there. I disagree with you on Clemson and FSU but Washington is just another UCLA without the basketball pedigree and God help them if they want to deal with Eugene.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Why would the Big 12 negotiate with the PAC? If this keeps up (even if it doesn’t happen) the other schools are going to be pissed and will knock on the Big 12s door. At this point they can sit back and cherry pick.

I don’t think the B1G takes them and if they do eventually they’ll have to pony up full shares and the value isn’t there. I disagree with you on Clemson and FSU but Washington is just another UCLA without the basketball pedigree and God help them if they want to deal with Eugene.

Where did I say negotiate? I said if I were the other PAC teams I’d realize Ore and UDub aren’t in it, time to get out. Call the B12 and get A deal done.

 

[huskers1217]

MSN

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Maybe Oregon and Washington have found homes.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Where did I say negotiate? I said if I were the other PAC teams I’d realize Ore and UDub aren’t in it, time to get out. Call the B12 and get A deal done.

Honestly, I think those discussions are happening behind doors anyway, we just don't know with who.

You literally couldn't have a worse scenario for the PAC right now:
- Oregon & Washington are actively pursuing the B1G so signing a GOR is going to be super tricky
- The PAC needs a network deal badly but the networks want an out clause if OR & UW bolt
- The PAC commissioner has a deadline of the middle of April to get a deal done and the best candidate is Apple

The PAC simply has zero leverage at this point and the corner schools will be actively pursuing other options. Really at this point, it would just take one school making an announcement they are leaving and the conference will fold quickly.

The crazy thing is the B1G doesn't even have a commissioner right now so who in their right mind is going to take that job and immediately turn around and say "we are going to take Oregon and Washington on a reduced payout program" right out of the gate? That would be a monumental move and I don't think anyone that takes the job does that in year one especially we they are looking at integrating USC and UCLA. So much of this is insanity.

 

[RobBase]

Maybe Oregon and Washington have found homes.

B1G!
B1G!
B1G!

 

[Thiefery]

Maybe Oregon and Washington have found homes.

MWC about to poach B1G schools?? HUUUGE if true

 

[RobBase]

MWC about to poach B1G schools?? HUUUGE if true

There’s a few teams they can have.

 

[Deep Creek]

I am very hopeful that expansion for the SEC has stopped. I think the B1G might go after Ore and UDub, but only because of academic fit and the west coast aspect of things for non-football.

As for the SEC, there are only three teams that come close to driving enough revenue to earn a share. Remember ... this is about staying in the conference. We'd kick out many schools if you had to justify your economic existence every year. But when you want in it's a different consideration. It's the delta. If you want a $100 million dollar share, does bring you in drive an extra $100 million to the SEC. If not, why let you in?

Notre Dame for sure, and maybe FSU and Clemson move the needle. That's it.

You and @CoalTrain are the only ones that have admitted such. And you will probably lose your SEC Homer Cards for doing so.

And the other conferences have the same with maybe one exception.

Once Texas and OU are gone, there probably isn't a lot of economic value difference among the schools that remain the Big 12. In fact, I'd guess BYU might be the big dog overall just because of the size of the LDS. Unless Kansas hoops is big enough to take the number one spot. Who else far and away exceeds the others in "must see" value? West Virginia? Iowa State? Cincy? K-State? Texas Tech? UCF? Baylor? Oklahoma State? TCU? Houston? I don't see one that is head and shoulders above the others.

 

[Thiefery]

You and @CoalTrain are the only ones that have admitted such. And you will probably lose your SEC Homer Cards for doing so.

And the other conferences have the same with maybe one exception.

Once Texas and OU are gone, there probably isn't a lot of economic value difference among the schools that remain the Big 12. In fact, I'd guess BYU might be the big dog overall just because of the size of the LDS. Unless Kansas hoops is big enough to take the number one spot. Who else far and away exceeds the others in "must see" value? West Virginia? Iowa State? Cincy? K-State? Texas Tech? UCF? Baylor? Oklahoma State? TCU? Houston? I don't see one that is head and shoulders above the others.

What has kept the Big12 schools alive have been coaching hires. It's the reason why I think it's a big gamble if osu ever leaves Gundy. For all the stuff they get upset with him over, he has done a terrific job outside beating ou.

The new big12 have built in advantages for the TX schools and UCF in FL. BYU is a national brand and will have an advantage too. But the rest of the schools, they will all depend on the coaching staff they have now or their future hires.

UT/ou will still be polarizing despite not hitting on coaches.. Can't say that for any of the schools

In basketball which is the biggest strength of the Big12, there's only one brand in KU.. all the other schools are known because of the terrific coaching talent in the conference.. if schools slip in anyway in that dept..I can see the next deal being equal to the one they are about to get or could even lose value.

I'll give the new commish is kudos, he really is trying to rebrand the conference and it could work. He's targeting the younger generation, to give off a cool vibe to any of the schools in their conference. Sucks that this guy didn't show up til now instead of a decade and a half ago

 

[7samurai13]

There’s a few teams they can have.

Iowa and Nebraska to the MW confirmed

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

You and @CoalTrain are the only ones that have admitted such. And you will probably lose your SEC Homer Cards for doing so.

And the other conferences have the same with maybe one exception.

Once Texas and OU are gone, there probably isn't a lot of economic value difference among the schools that remain the Big 12. In fact, I'd guess BYU might be the big dog overall just because of the size of the LDS. Unless Kansas hoops is big enough to take the number one spot. Who else far and away exceeds the others in "must see" value? West Virginia? Iowa State? Cincy? K-State? Texas Tech? UCF? Baylor? Oklahoma State? TCU? Houston? I don't see one that is head and shoulders above the others.

I didn’t say I wanted that. I said that if it were just economics, that would happen. I like our conference which is a great mix of schools. Can’t have them all be Bama UGA level.

 

[Thiefery]

Rumors on the buckeye scoop saying that Udub has been talking to multiple presidents of schools in the BiG. They are willing to take a smaller share of revenue for the period of the new contract. They want to join in at the same time as SC and UCLA.. Oregon is also talking to them willing to do the same things as Udub.

They said the source who is saying this also has no clue who is making the decisions but think it's a positive thing that multiple presidents without an official commissioner, are looking into adding them regardless.

oh and that Udub is working with Amazon.. where Amazon would follow Udub and pay for two games,every week, friday and saturday night Pac after dark should they join the BiG in the '24 season..

**I found the original screenshot..i was paraphrasing what i could remember from earlier.. but here's the actual write up

 

[Wild Turkey]

Rumors on the buckeye scoop saying that Udub has been talking to multiple presidents of schools in the BiG. They are willing to take a smaller share of revenue for the period of the new contract. They want to join in at the same time as SC and UCLA.. Oregon is also talking to them willing to do the same things as Udub.

They said the source who is saying this also has no clue who is making the decisions but think it's a positive thing that multiple presidents without an official commissioner, are looking into adding them regardless.

oh and that Udub is working with Amazon.. where Amazon would follow Udub and pay for two games,every week, friday and saturday night Pac after dark should they join the BiG in the '24 season..

So basically this guy is claiming that the B1G would be willing to take Washington at a lower value payout but allow them to keep two games a year of their inventory to sell to the highest bidder.

I don’t see the networks that own the B1G rights letting that happen.

 

[Thiefery]

So basically this guy is claiming that the B1G would be willing to take Washington at a lower value payout but allow them to keep two games a year of their inventory to sell to the highest bidder.

I don’t see the networks that own the B1G rights letting that happen.

No no.. Amazon would like to purchase 2 games a week from the BiG. Now they want a late kickoff (EST) on those days. This money wouldn't be going directly to Udub and Oregon but it helps the BiG financially with both of those additions now needing partial payments

Amazon likely pays for games that were not picked up.. sorta be like games that were shown on LHN for UT

 

[Wild Turkey]

No no.. Amazon would like to purchase 2 games a week from the BiG. Now they want a late kickoff (EST) on those days. This money wouldn't be going directly to Udub and Oregon but it helps the BiG financially with both of those additions now needing partial payments

Amazon likely pays for games that were not picked up.. sorta be like games that were shown on LHN for UT

That makes more sense.

My take on this though if you are the guy hired to be the new B1G commissioner, and we have to assume they are intelligent to get that job, you aren't going to want to jump feet first into an immediate expansion without substantial study and due diligence. Let's face it, he has a lot on his plate anyway with trying to figure out how to integrate USC and UCLA, doing away with divisions, plus navigating the new playoff landscape.

I'm sure the presidents can vote and approve this on their own but none of them are going to want to stick their neck out on something of this magnitude. The Washington AD has every incentive in the world to try and make it happen and I'm sure the presidents are being gracious with her but its a massive ask with a shit ton of risk.

 

[Wild Turkey]

No no.. Amazon would like to purchase 2 games a week from the BiG. Now they want a late kickoff (EST) on those days. This money wouldn't be going directly to Udub and Oregon but it helps the BiG financially with both of those additions now needing partial payments

Amazon likely pays for games that were not picked up.. sorta be like games that were shown on LHN for UT

Also, this sheds some light as to why Amazon pulled out of the PAC network package negotiation since they probably feel this might just fall apart and they don't want to be holding the bag. Oregon and Washington have undermined the entire conference and may sink it just attempting to make the jump to the B1G.

 

[Thiefery]

That makes more sense.

My take on this though if you are the guy hired to be the new B1G commissioner, and we have to assume they are intelligent to get that job, you aren't going to want to jump feet first into an immediate expansion without substantial study and due diligence. Let's face it, he has a lot on his plate anyway with trying to figure out how to integrate USC and UCLA, doing away with divisions, plus navigating the new playoff landscape.

I'm sure the presidents can vote and approve this on their own but none of them are going to want to stick their neck out on something of this magnitude. The Washington AD has every incentive in the world to try and make it happen and I'm sure the presidents are being gracious with her but its a massive ask with a shit ton of risk.

Yeah i agree with that too.. but i do think they were going to circle back on Udub and Oregon. No way were they going to leave both LA schools isolated. However you are correct, this is a big decision to speed up the timeline before they have a commissioner in place.

 

[Volbound1700]

Yeah i agree with that too.. but i do think they were going to circle back on Udub and Oregon. No way were they going to leave both LA schools isolated. However you are correct, this is a big decision to speed up the timeline before they have a commissioner in place.

I agree. It is just a matter of making things work out.

I wouldn't be surprised if they also add Stanford as well to get into North California. Now if they want to go even teams, they may go for either Cal or Colorado but I am not sure if either are that attractive. Ideally to the B1G, the final team would be Notre Dame.