Man CBS Screwed Up Big Time

Volbound1700 said:
This is where modern USA logic fails...

Sure CBS got a temporary financial advantage for not working with SEC but long-term it screwed them.

Proverbs talks about Reputation being greater than Gold, a lot of people in modern USA don't realize that and it is no wonder our economy and society is a crap show today.

Not trying to direct this at you @Thiefery just pointing out that CBS using a contract for their advantage and messing up a long-term relationship was not really that smart of a move because now they don't have SEC games and apparently not the higher tier B1G games.

They still got high-tier MCBB games, the NFL, and the Masters so they should be fine.

NFL is absurdly ahead of every sport in ratings, it isn't even close.
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that's business.. and full disclosure if I were CBS i would have tried to make things right because they were showcasing the most popular conference best games. I still think ESPN would have outbid anything CBS offered for tier 1, but with as deep as the conference is (will be), having 2nd pick still would have been terrific for CBS.

But man CBS decided to stick with it's wonderful deal.. same thing ESPN is doing with the ACC.. They wanted ESPN to give them a bump and ESPN told them...no lol
 
Red_Alert said:
Likely more than the populations of Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Tennessee combined.
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The Pac12 wouldn't be a dying league if that 40 million was tuning in. You can't just take population of states and say that is viewership. Using that logic, the ACC should be the biggest money maker because they have had New York, Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa, Charlotte, Raleigh, Washington DC, Philadelphia, Boston, etc. for some time.

Go look at the top money generating programs in college sports and you will see. Sure USC is a great pickup that stands on its own but to say you instantly get 40 million viewers in California is, frankly, ignorant.
 
fordman84 said:
The last deal is always the best deal, so SEC not extending with CBS before the other conferences was the right move.
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there was no extending.. It was clear that the SEC was done with them after the additions of y'all and mizzu with no increase. ESPN did.. and followed it up with the SEC network deal.
 
Thiefery said:
that's business.. and full disclosure if I were CBS i would have tried to make things right because they were showcasing the most popular conference best games. I still think ESPN would have outbid anything CBS offered for tier 1, but with as deep as the conference is (will be), having 2nd pick still would have been terrific for CBS.

But man CBS decided to stick with it's wonderful deal.. same thing ESPN is doing with the ACC.. They wanted ESPN to give them a bump and ESPN told them...no lol
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Again, that is a short-sighted and crappy mentality to take and now they are second-tier in CFB. Reputation and how you behave matters. It may not much in modern America though which is why, as I stated, we are a sinking ship as a nation right now.

Not directed at you by any means, in fact you spend the rest of the post defending my position.

Taking advantage of contracts is considered "smart" today but if you really sit and consider ramifications long-term, it really isn't a smart idea. Credibility is invaluable. Companies spend millions on image and marketing and then throw away their credibility with stupid actions.
 
BTW i don't think ND is raking in money like that from NBC.. LHN was paying close or even more than the NBC deal. I know they get some more with their ACC deal, but the majority of their money still comes from donations.

If they were about money, they would have joined a conference over a decade ago.. they really do like the independence label
 
Volbound1700 said:
Again, that is a short-sighted and crappy mentality to take and now they are second-tier in CFB. Reputation and how you behave matters. It may not much in modern America though which is why, as I stated, we are a sinking ship as a nation right now.

Not directed at you by any means, in fact you spend the rest of the post defending my position.

Taking advantage of contracts is considered "smart" today but if you really sit and consider ramifications long-term, it really isn't a smart idea. Credibility is invaluable. Companies spend millions on image and marketing and then throw away their credibility with stupid actions.
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Yeah UT was really close to doing that with Under Armor.. they were setting up offices in Austin and were offering a kings ransom to go with them. Word was Nike wasn't even close even after given the last pitch, the then AD $teve Patter$on was ready to go with them.. then he got fired after a verbal agreement with UA.. interim AD then told UA it wasn't going that direction anymore. They valued Nike and the relationship of over 20 years to stay..

I'm happy because I like Nike much more than UA... and seeing UA having to drop UCLA in like year 2 of their deal was a clear sign UT made the right decision.
 
Volbound1700 said:
The Pac12 wouldn't be a dying league if that 40 million was tuning in. You can't just take population of states and say that is viewership. Using that logic, the ACC should be the biggest money maker because they have had New York, Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa, Charlotte, Raleigh, Washington DC, Philadelphia, Boston, etc. for some time.

Go look at the top money generating programs in college sports and you will see. Sure USC is a great pickup that stands on its own but to say you instantly get 40 million viewers in California is, frankly, ignorant.
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Dude. :burt:



Of course not everyone in every state is tuning into college football so stop being stupid.

If just 20% of California was tuning into college football, that's still 8 million viewers.
That's equal to or more than the top rated game in 10 of the 13 regular season weeks.

The reason the Big 10 and SEC are getting these huge contracts is because east of the Great Plains is where the population is.

The ACC fucked themselves in their contract, so don't even go there.
 
outofyourmind said:
If they cared/watched CFB, the PAC wouldn't be in the sad shape it's in.

Did I leave anything out ??
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Time Zone is the PAC's biggest inhibitor. Peeps in the Central (2 hrs) and Eastern (3 hrs) time zones are drunk and deep into Suzy Rottencrotch by 11pm.
 
Red_Alert said:
Rationalize it any way you want to. The fact is that UCLA got the Big 10 invite and Oregon did not.
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changing the topic? this has nothing to do with Oregon we were talking about UCLA
 
Thiefery said:
that's business.. and full disclosure if I were CBS i would have tried to make things right because they were showcasing the most popular conference best games. I still think ESPN would have outbid anything CBS offered for tier 1, but with as deep as the conference is (will be), having 2nd pick still would have been terrific for CBS.

But man CBS decided to stick with it's wonderful deal.. same thing ESPN is doing with the ACC.. They wanted ESPN to give them a bump and ESPN told them...no lol
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Oh CBS wasn’t ever going to keep the SEC unless they outbid everyone substantially. They guy who was in charge of negotiating with CBS to get an increase after the aTm expansion was Sankey and they have him nothing and basically told him it was his problem.

Sankey was going to give the deal to anyone else if he could.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Oh CBS wasn’t ever going to keep the SEC unless they outbid everyone substantially. They guy who was in charge of negotiating with CBS to get an increase after the aTm expansion was Sankey and they have him nothing and basically told him it was his problem.

Sankey was going to give the deal to anyone else if he could.
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ESPN smartly jumped at the opportunity by re doing it's deal with the additions, then creating an SEC network channel (after seeing all the wrong decisions it did with LHN).. ESPN doubled downed on them and it paid off beautifully.
 
Thiefery said:
there was no extending.. It was clear that the SEC was done with them after the additions of y'all and mizzu with no increase. ESPN did.. and followed it up with the SEC network deal.
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Ok, then how does that justify your contention that the SEC screwed up? They could have tried to do an extension, or they could wait for it to be up and offer their services to the highest bidder.
 
Week 1
Oregon/Georgia: 6.2 M (Duh. Georgia was defending champs.)

In order that week...
Notre Dame/Ohio St: 10.5 M
FSU/LSU: 7.5 M
Oregon/Georgia: 6.2 M

Week 3
BYU/Oregon: 2.58 M

Week 4
Oregon/Wash St: 2.27 M

Week 5
Washington/UCLA: 1.7 M
Stanford/Oregon: 672 K

Week 6
Utah/UCLA: 2.65 M

Week 9
Stanford/UCLA: 1.26 M
Oregon/Cal: 738 K

Week 10
Oregon/Colorado: 962 K
UCLA/Ariz St: 490 K

Week 11
Washington/Oregon: 3.63 M
Arizona/UCLA: 1.86 M

Week 12
USC/UCLA: 4.53 M
Utah/Oregon: 2.54 M

Week 13
Oregon/Oregon St: 3.56 M
UCLA/Cal: 3.27 M

Total regular season viewership NOT including Oregon vs Georgia

Oregon: 16.9 M
UCLA: 15.7 M

Not an egregious difference by any means.

That is likely going to flip bigly when UCLA adds the Big 10 population watching them.
 
Red_Alert said:
Week 1
Oregon/Georgia: 6.2 M (Duh. Georgia was defending champs.)

In order that week...
Notre Dame/Ohio St: 10.5 M
FSU/LSU: 7.5 M
Oregon/Georgia: 6.2 M

Week 3
BYU/Oregon: 2.58 M

Week 4
Oregon/Wash St: 2.27 M

Week 5
Washington/UCLA: 1.7 M
Stanford/Oregon: 672 K

Week 6
Utah/UCLA: 2.65 M

Week 9
Stanford/UCLA: 1.26 M
Oregon/Cal: 738 K

Week 10
Oregon/Colorado: 962 K
UCLA/Ariz St: 490 K

Week 11
Washington/Oregon: 3.63 M
Arizona/UCLA: 1.86 M

Week 12
USC/UCLA: 4.53 M
Utah/Oregon: 2.54 M

Week 13
Oregon/Oregon St: 3.56 M
UCLA/Cal: 3.27 M

Total regular season viewership NOT including Oregon vs Georgia

Oregon: 16.9 M
UCLA: 15.7 M

Not an egregious difference by any means.

That is likely going to flip bigly when UCLA adds the Big 10 population watching them.
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So Oregon had more viewers even when you take away their most watched game...I don't think you're making the point you think you're making. If you're going to take away UGA for UCLA, you should take USC away from UCLA. Apple to Apples and all.
 
fordman84 said:
Ok, then how does that justify your contention that the SEC screwed up? They could have tried to do an extension, or they could wait for it to be up and offer their services to the highest bidder.
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by agreeing to a 20 year deal in the first place?
 
duckboy33 said:
So Oregon had more viewers even when you take away their most watched game...I don't think you're making the point you think you're making. If you're going to take away UGA for UCLA, you should take USC away from UCLA. Apple to Apples and all.
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UCLA had 1.4 million more PAC vs PAC game viewers. They play the same number of in-conference games, no?

You were the one laughing at UCLA. See?

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
With USC and UCLA in the mix, it's possible (if not likely) that they'll be a ton more "great" games to put on CBS
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OlyDuck said:
haha you included UCLA in that.
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