ACC on life support, 7 members getting ready to pull the plug

[rfjeff9]

Yeah, they clearly want the ACC to implode. They'll probably take a swipe at ND and UNC, but they probably also want to expand south if they can because of the talent pool down south. And being able to advertise the B10 in, say, Florida.

Be a nice break in the weather to travel there in the cold days of November. I see them headed south and agree with UNC for sure. Probably UVA as well unless ND comes calling.

 

[TaikoTiger]

Everything falling into place for my 2030 agenda

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Would USC and UCLA really want to go play B10 teams? Seems like they did. I think the SEC would go out and nab Clemson first. Maybe try and get FSU but I could also see them going after Miami as well. UNC the B10 would want for the academics. I think these dominoes are going to happen in even numbers (like we've seen). Could also be that if the ACC starts going the SEC or the B10 starts taking 1 from the ACC and 1 from the remaining Pac12.

My point was that FSU presumably will have options. As between the SEC and the B1G, they will want to stay in the Southeast. USC and UCLA didn't have the option of staying in the west and making the money they wanted to make. They wanted the money, not go and play in New Jersey.

Agree on even numbers, but don't see this happening until after the CFP and the current expansion is absorbed. The ACC GOR is not a bug for the SEC and B1G ... they like that they don't have to act now.

 

[rfjeff9]

My point was that FSU presumably will have options. As between the SEC and the B1G, they will want to stay in the Southeast. USC and UCLA didn't have the option of staying in the west and making the money they wanted to make. They wanted the money, not go and play in New Jersey.

Agree on even numbers, but don't see this happening until after the CFP and the current expansion is absorbed. The ACC GOR is not a bug for the SEC and B1G ... they like that they don't have to act now.

Yeah it's why I don't think anything is going to happen for quite a few years. SEC and B1G need make no move at all and they are still sitting pretty. Every ACC school has looked every which way at that GOR and doesn't seem to be a reasonable way out on a school by school basis.

So sit back and watch the ACC status quo conference alignment for another 10 years. Stocks are known to rise and fall so who knows how attractive any team might be after several years of playoff?

 

[ralphiewvu]

Why? Why would SEC schools take a multi-million dollar hit just to expand. If you can put up charts or graphs or whatever that shows that there is an economic, money reason for expanding, I'll agree with you. But they aren't adding NSCU or VaTech that average 250K viewers per game, just to say they've expanded.

I think we have all agreed here that at the end of the day it's always about money. So, show me the money. Show me how expanding makes money, or that the SEC says they don't care about money. I don't see that happening.

As for Tallahassee, we agree that FSU and Clemson probably make economic sense. But if the B1G starts sniffing around Charlottesville, or wherever the fuck VaTech is, the SEC will have a collective yawn.

You have stated in another thread that payouts for the Playoffs are going to be huge. Sure there is bias (and imo deserved for the P2) and is going to be there when Selecting those teams. The P2 conferences realize this and know while they can’t take everyone, they can get the cream of crop and basically control the playoff which will eventually lead to a breakup. It’s basically about consolidating power so two conferences control it. Yes I understand they’ll more mouths to feed but in most years there will be more money to divvy about because of those mouths.

This is why I don’t believe realignment is done, no matter how much economics don’t agree with it right now.

 

[fordman84]

Not sure how, but I'm certain Jexas is to blame.

 

[outofyourmind]

How about we play with the changes we have for a while, before we decide if we like it or not.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

You have stated in another thread that payouts for the Playoffs are going to be huge. Sure there is bias (and imo deserved for the P2) and is going to be there when Selecting those teams. The P2 conferences realize this and know while they can’t take everyone, they can get the cream of crop and basically control the playoff which will eventually lead to a breakup. It’s basically about consolidating power so two conferences control it. Yes I understand they’ll more mouths to feed but in most years there will be more money to divvy about because of those mouths.

This is why I don’t believe realignment is done, no matter how much economics don’t agree with it right now.

I get where you are coming from but here is why I think things slow down:

1. There is a history of doing 2 and waiting a decade or more.

2. Both the B1G and the SEC have their hands full with what is going on now - absorbing 2 new teams each, transfer portal, NIL, litigation, new schedules, and the expanded CFP. The B1G has Ore and UW to deal with, or not. To suddenly start trying to expand just doesn't make sense from a perspective that there is already enough disruption.

3. The ACC has the GOR - neither conference wants to get involved with that - they will have to extract themselves first.

4. Both conferences are going to get blow back from the lesser teams who don't want to bring in better teams. At some point Ole Miss, Vandy, MSU, Arky, Ky level teams are going to say, enough. We can't win now and you want to bring in Clemson and FSU? Are you fucking crazy? You are already seeing the SEC having a hard time talking those teams into the 9 game conference schedule.

5. Then you get to the money, although that might should have been no. 1. If you want to deal with 1-4 above, there better be a ton more money. Other than ND, no other teams delivers that. Even Clemson and FSU aren't sure fire $100 million players. So, there better be a lot of money now, or it's not worth the effort - for now. You also have the biggest player on the media block, ESPN in some financial tightening mode.

In some ways, it's better for the SEC and the B1G that the ACC's hands are tied. I think they would much prefer to wait 10 years and see what the landscape is before expanding. If each school is bringing in 100+ million per year, is there really an advantage to getting bigger, especially for the mid and lower-tier teams.

For a long time you read all the time about super conferences, but not so much any more. I think a lot of people just got caught up in the hype and didn't think it through. Why not wait a decade or more to see how the litigation shakes out, see how the expanded CFP works. NIL has already changed massively in just 2 years ... those stupid upfront contracts are toast and teams are spending NIL to keep people on their roster and pick up transfers. Imagine what it will be like in a decade when we may have players unions and players getting paid directly.

 

[rfjeff9]

Irony of all this ACC bitching is that the GOR is doing exactly what it was designed to do. Keep anyone from leaving. It's shitty ACC leadership that got the schools stuck with so much less money than SEC and B1G, but let's face it - back then were ACC schools collectively showing that they were WORTH more than ESPN agreed to pay them? Are they collectively worth more now?

No.

 

[PeoplesChicken]

Football only conferences could help alleviate a lot of the geographic travel issues related to the other sports. No?

certainly

 

[rtfgbfan]

nothing the part about playing school was a joke about that fake ass assessment score that said he was dumb as a rock.


i hope he comes here and tears it up to shut up the people who said don't draft him

CJ is a gamer man. Good guy too. Seemed to almost be too structured at tOSU but that Georgia game was him. He's gonna be a franchise guy in Houston if he has at least competent coaching.

 

[PeoplesChicken]

apparently, CJ STroud did too

Cardale Jones Stroud

 

[Volbound1700]

I can see FSU from the B1G's perspective, assuming they get AAU. But why would FSU want the B1G? Do they really want to go play games in Illinois, Minn, Wisconsin? Once the ACC GOR runs, FSU and Clemson to the SEC makes sense. UNC is borderline from a $$$ perspective, but it does check most of the other boxes. The 4th team is where it gets a little crazy. Miami? I'd go OkSU to provide another western team. Not sure the $$$ make sense on that, but I am not sure there is another school that moves the needle.

If we are going the Western route, I would rather get Kansas than Oklahoma State. Kansas checks the box of being successful in the one sport the SEC seems to shit the bed in every March, Basketball. Kansas vs. Kentucky Basketball would be epic and that gives Mizzou its rival back. I also think Kansas is a growing market based on demographics.

 

[Volbound1700]

I get where you are coming from but here is why I think things slow down:

1. There is a history of doing 2 and waiting a decade or more.

2. Both the B1G and the SEC have their hands full with what is going on now - absorbing 2 new teams each, transfer portal, NIL, litigation, new schedules, and the expanded CFP. The B1G has Ore and UW to deal with, or not. To suddenly start trying to expand just doesn't make sense from a perspective that there is already enough disruption.

3. The ACC has the GOR - neither conference wants to get involved with that - they will have to extract themselves first.

4. Both conferences are going to get blow back from the lesser teams who don't want to bring in better teams. At some point Ole Miss, Vandy, MSU, Arky, Ky level teams are going to say, enough. We can't win now and you want to bring in Clemson and FSU? Are you fucking crazy? You are already seeing the SEC having a hard time talking those teams into the 9 game conference schedule.

5. Then you get to the money, although that might should have been no. 1. If you want to deal with 1-4 above, there better be a ton more money. Other than ND, no other teams delivers that. Even Clemson and FSU aren't sure fire $100 million players. So, there better be a lot of money now, or it's not worth the effort - for now. You also have the biggest player on the media block, ESPN in some financial tightening mode.

In some ways, it's better for the SEC and the B1G that the ACC's hands are tied. I think they would much prefer to wait 10 years and see what the landscape is before expanding. If each school is bringing in 100+ million per year, is there really an advantage to getting bigger, especially for the mid and lower-tier teams.

For a long time you read all the time about super conferences, but not so much any more. I think a lot of people just got caught up in the hype and didn't think it through. Why not wait a decade or more to see how the litigation shakes out, see how the expanded CFP works. NIL has already changed massively in just 2 years ... those stupid upfront contracts are toast and teams are spending NIL to keep people on their roster and pick up transfers. Imagine what it will be like in a decade when we may have players unions and players getting paid directly.

I think SEC is done but I think B1G will get teams in the West (maybe just Oregon and Washington only) to give UCLA and USC some company and be the WEST Coast league. Right now, B1G is just the LA League.

 

[Volbound1700]

Irony of all this ACC bitching is that the GOR is doing exactly what it was designed to do. Keep anyone from leaving. It's shitty ACC leadership that got the schools stuck with so much less money than SEC and B1G, but let's face it - back then were ACC schools collectively showing that they were WORTH more than ESPN agreed to pay them? Are they collectively worth more now?

No.

To be fair, with the exception of Clemson and FSU over a decade ago, no one in the ACC has really lived up to hype in Football to deserve increasing the revenue. The league has so much potential but has fallen flat so many times. Clemson is holding up the league with FSU being good in the Jameis Winston era. UNC and Va Tech have made splashes at times but so many other teams, notably Miami and NC State, have not lived up to hype. I can't tell you how many old NCAA Football games had NC State ranked in top 10-20 only to see them flatten that season. Same with Miami.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

If we are going the Western route, I would rather get Kansas than Oklahoma State. Kansas checks the box of being successful in the one sport the SEC seems to shit the bed in every March, Basketball. Kansas vs. Kentucky Basketball would be epic and that gives Mizzou its rival back. I also think Kansas is a growing market based on demographics.

I get what you are saying ... it would be a natural fit for Mizzou, and the hoops would be nice. The problem is that old $$$ thing.

24	Oklahoma State — 1.68M	B12	P5
52	Kansas — 732K	B12	P5

And, OkSU probably has a likelihood of getting a CFP share every now and again, KU not so much. But, I wouldn't hate it. The wild thing is look at KU v. VaTech, UVa, and NCSU:

43	NC State — 881K	ACC	P5
52	Kansas — 732K	B12	P5
76	Virginia Tech — 264K	ACC	P5
79	Virginia — 237K	ACC	P5

KU would be far better than the Virginia schools, and damn close to NCSU. Who would have thought it.

 

[CorpRebel]

 

[Volbound1700]

I get what you are saying ... it would be a natural fit for Mizzou, and the hoops would be nice. The problem is that old $$$ thing.

24	Oklahoma State — 1.68M	B12	P5
52	Kansas — 732K	B12	P5

And, OkSU probably has a likelihood of getting a CFP share every now and again, KU not so much. But, I wouldn't hate it. The wild thing is look at KU v. VaTech, UVa, and NCSU:

43	NC State — 881K	ACC	P5
52	Kansas — 732K	B12	P5
76	Virginia Tech — 264K	ACC	P5
79	Virginia — 237K	ACC	P5

KU would be far better than the Virginia schools, and damn close to NCSU. Who would have thought it.

I am not arguing $$. Oklahoma State has a far nicer football stadium and success, I just want another round ball power not named UK (at least for men's, SEC women's bball is like ACC men's basketball.)

 

[ELTEXAN]

Like I said a couple of years ago, we’ll be in an ncaa-less super league very soon.

 

[fordman84]

Like I said a couple of years ago, we’ll be in an ncaa-less super league very soon.

Fingers crossed it is an EPL-like relegation league. That would separate it from NFL pretty well and add drama to the top of the league as well as the bottom of the league.