Does it really matter how many IC games or P5 games you play?

All that matters now is making it to the playoffs, not the number of conf games.
 
Kburjr said:
I believe in trial by fire. And, that the fans deserve more competitive matchups.
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Kbur’s take on the fans is the point of scheduling to me. And I would include the players and maybe even the networks.

As you point out, it may not matter in regards to determining who is best. But it matters in regards to the experience and entertainment value for fans and players. And the content quality of network programming. I’d bet all three of those groups would rather see an 9th, 10th, 12th and 12th game against some more conference members or other P5 members than cupcakes.

And I want to preface this because of all the “but more home games, the smaller guys need the money, and other blah, bla, blah shit).

I’ll pick on my Miners instead of say a Western Carolina since we play Texas often. Say Texas is now in the SEC and playing an 8 game conference schedule. For the other four games, which do you think fans, players and the networks prefer to have offered to them?

8 conference games + 1 P5 (say AZ State) + UTEP, Rice and Tulsa.

Or

9 conference games + 3 P5s from the other conferences (say Stanford, Michigan State and Florida State)

I know which ones I would prefer to watch on television.
 
Deep Creek said:
Kbur’s take on the fans is the point of scheduling to me. And I would include the players and maybe even the networks.

As you point out, it may not matter in regards to determining who is best. But it matters in regards to the experience and entertainment value for fans and players. And the content quality of network programming. I’d bet all three of those groups would rather see an 9th, 10th, 12th and 12th game against some more conference members or other P5 members than cupcakes.

And I want to preface this because of all the “but more home games, the smaller guys need the money, and other blah, bla, blah shit).

I’ll pick on my Miners instead of say a Western Carolina since we play Texas often. Say Texas is now in the SEC and playing an 8 game conference schedule. For the other four games, which do you think fans, players and the networks prefer to have offered to them?

8 conference games + 1 P5 (say AZ State) + UTEP, Rice and Tulsa.

Or

9 conference games + 3 P5s from the other conferences (say Stanford, Michigan State and Florida State)

I know which ones I would prefer to watch on television.
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UT vs UTEP for the next 30 years!!!
 
It does matter whether a conference plays 8 or 9 IC games. It'll matter even more at a 12 game CFP.

The reason is that 1/2 of the total teams in a conference will have a guaranteed extra loss.
That guaranteed extra loss is going to effect Top 25 rankings.

Of course 1/2 the conference is also going to get a guaranteed extra win. However, they'd likely get that extra win against the likes of "Austin Peay", "Tennessee-Martin", "Southern", or "Mercer", anyway.

It's a ranking difference between being (10-2) and (9-3), or a ranking difference between being (9-3) and (8-4).
 
Really hope the committee takes this into consideration..which i seriously doubt they will :(
 
fishinabarrel said:
A true away game between SEC and B1G since 2013 is probably a pretty small sample size. I'd have to guess no more than 5 games total. The neutral games you will get argument bc almost all of them all are bowls whose locations notoriously favors the SEC. For example the neutral game between Ohio State and Georgia played in Atlanta, or the neutral game between Nebraska and Tennessee played in Nashville
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The total numbers are right there ... 43 since 2013. I am not going to dig in to see how many are bowl games, neutral, etc.
 
Kburjr said:
I believe in trial by fire. And, that the fans deserve more competitive matchups.
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Totally agree. We will get there, just not in the next few years.

Let me adjust my thoughts ... even with the 8 IC games, with the addition of OU and TX next year, and getting rid of divisions, the SEC will have far more elite games each year. Getting rid of divisions mixes up our games. For example, UGA will not play Bama every other year instead of every 6 years. Mix that up with UF, UTjr, UGA, AU, UA, LSU, ATM, and then throw in OU and TX, and it's easy to see the SEC will have multiple elite games almost every weekend. Going to 9 games will be the icing on the cake.
 
Deep Creek said:
Kbur’s take on the fans is the point of scheduling to me. And I would include the players and maybe even the networks.

As you point out, it may not matter in regards to determining who is best. But it matters in regards to the experience and entertainment value for fans and players. And the content quality of network programming. I’d bet all three of those groups would rather see an 9th, 10th, 12th and 12th game against some more conference members or other P5 members than cupcakes.

And I want to preface this because of all the “but more home games, the smaller guys need the money, and other blah, bla, blah shit).

I’ll pick on my Miners instead of say a Western Carolina since we play Texas often. Say Texas is now in the SEC and playing an 8 game conference schedule. For the other four games, which do you think fans, players and the networks prefer to have offered to them?

8 conference games + 1 P5 (say AZ State) + UTEP, Rice and Tulsa.

Or

9 conference games + 3 P5s from the other conferences (say Stanford, Michigan State and Florida State)

I know which ones I would prefer to watch on television.
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The way that many teams - UGA, Bama, UT, OU and others - have scheduled OOC for the next 10 years, it's obvious they get it. The SEC may not have gone to 9 games, but they got rid of divisions meaning that the inventory of Elite games went way up. Preserving the most important rivalries also drives up, or at least maintains that inventory. The final thing will be to go do 9 IC games. It'll happen in due time.
 
It only matters when you lose a game.
 
Hu War Yu said:
It only matters when you lose a game.
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Correct

Example: Does 2022 Florida St get ranked higher than #13 in the Week 15 CFP at (10-2) instead of being (9-3)?

All three of their losses (Wake Forest, #23 NC State, #7 Clemson) were in ACC play. If they'd had one less in-conference game they could have scheduled a middling G5 (likely sure win) for one of those losses and won 10 games.
Wake Forest was ranked as high as #10 in Week 8 before they crashed and burned.

Mind you FSU beat LSU (who beat Bama), but Bama was definitely in a 12 team CFP with their 10 wins and #5 ranking in Week 15.

FSU also beat Florida who every SEC homer here will use the Gators in examples of adding to the SEC's overall SOS.

FSU only had one out-of-conference cupcake in (FCS) Duquesne.

Week 15 #6 Tennessee would also have been in a 12 team CFP at (10-2). Their out-of-conference was Ball St, Pitt, Akron, and Tennessee-Martin.
South Carolina clubbed Tennessee (63-38).
 
Hu War Yu said:
It only matters when you lose a game.
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If I understand your point, that's exactly why they are waiting. If a loss is a loss and it keeps you out of the CFP, then the SEC may not go to 9 games. If there is no rule to require it, why would you? As I've stated a few times, the SEC going without divisions is far more of a change than adding the 9th game, at least for the upper half of the league. UF, UGA, UTjr now play Bama, LSU , ATM, and Auburn every other year if they haven't been the permanent crossover opponent. And, Bama, Auburn, LSU and ATM now have to play UGA, UF, and UTjr every other year instead of every 6th year. Then add in TX and OU. So, if a team loses to UGA and Bama and beats, say Oregon OOC, and beats OU, UF and ATM gets left out of the CFP, they may not move to 9 unless SOS is considered.

I am and have been wanting 9 IC games, and I am confident the CFP will look at SOS when it comes to the last 3or 4 teams. The SEC will eventually get to 9.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
If I understand your point, that's exactly why they are waiting. If a loss is a loss and it keeps you out of the CFP, then the SEC may not go to 9 games. If there is no rule to require it, why would you? As I've stated a few times, the SEC going without divisions is far more of a change than adding the 9th game, at least for the upper half of the league. UF, UGA, UTjr now play Bama, LSU , ATM, and Auburn every other year if they haven't been the permanent crossover opponent. And, Bama, Auburn, LSU and ATM now have to play UGA, UF, and UTjr every other year instead of every 6th year. Then add in TX and OU. So, if a team loses to UGA and Bama and beats, say Oregon OOC, and beats OU, UF and ATM gets left out of the CFP, they may not move to 9 unless SOS is considered.

I am and have been wanting 9 IC games, and I am confident the CFP will look at SOS when it comes to the last 3or 4 teams. The SEC will eventually get to 9.
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Exactly!!
 
Red_Alert said:
Correct

Example: Does 2022 Florida St get ranked higher than #13 in the Week 15 CFP at (10-2) instead of being (9-3)?

All three of their losses (Wake Forest, #23 NC State, #7 Clemson) were in ACC play. If they'd had one less in-conference game they could have scheduled a middling G5 (likely sure win) for one of those losses and won 10 games.
Wake Forest was ranked as high as #10 in Week 8 before they crashed and burned.

Mind you FSU beat LSU (who beat Bama), but Bama was definitely in a 12 team CFP with their 10 wins and #5 ranking in Week 15.

FSU also beat Florida who every SEC homer here will use the Gators in examples of adding to the SEC's overall SOS.

FSU only had one out-of-conference cupcake in (FCS) Duquesne.

Week 15 #6 Tennessee would also have been in a 12 team CFP at (10-2). Their out-of-conference was Ball St, Pitt, Akron, and Tennessee-Martin.
South Carolina clubbed Tennessee (63-38).
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that was my gripe with FSU though.. they lost to every ranked team they faced.. yes they beat LSU..an unranked LSU in week 1..

now, if it was a 12 team playoff sure they most likely get in but there's arguments to be made with their ranking in an expanded CFP
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
If I understand your point, that's exactly why they are waiting. If a loss is a loss and it keeps you out of the CFP, then the SEC may not go to 9 games. If there is no rule to require it, why would you? As I've stated a few times, the SEC going without divisions is far more of a change than adding the 9th game, at least for the upper half of the league. UF, UGA, UTjr now play Bama, LSU , ATM, and Auburn every other year if they haven't been the permanent crossover opponent. And, Bama, Auburn, LSU and ATM now have to play UGA, UF, and UTjr every other year instead of every 6th year. Then add in TX and OU. So, if a team loses to UGA and Bama and beats, say Oregon OOC, and beats OU, UF and ATM gets left out of the CFP, they may not move to 9 unless SOS is considered.

I am and have been wanting 9 IC games, and I am confident the CFP will look at SOS when it comes to the last 3or 4 teams. The SEC will eventually get to 9.
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Yes, greater chance of losing a conference game as opposed to an FCS opponent. I get it for teams like Vandy, SC, Missouri, the Mississippi schools, Kentucky, because it could mean the difference between a bowl game or not. Bama and Georgia have just as much chance of beating SC and Vandy as they do Samford and UAB, so I doubt the 9th game would really hurt them in most seasons.
 
:bolt: Alabama doesn't want to go to 9 games until after the home and home with Wisconsin.
 
Looking back to 2017 for the Week 15/16 CFP rankings, 10 wins seems to be the general rule for P5 teams to be one of the Top 12 selected.

Exceptions being...

2017
TCU (10-3) was ranked #15.
Stanford and Notre Dame had 9 wins, but were ranked higher at #13 and #14.
UCF (12-0) took the #12 spot. However, everybody in the Top 12 had at least 10 wins.

2018
Washington St (10-3) ranked #13.
Florida, LSU, and Penn St (all at 9 wins) took the #10, #11, and #12 spots.

2019
Alabama (10-2) ranked #13
Notre Dame (10-2) ranked #15
Minnesota (10-2) ranked #18
Auburn (9-3) took the #12 spot.

2020 was the covid season so I ignored it.

In 2021 and 2022, everybody in the Top 12 had at least 10 wins.
 
Red_Alert said:
Looking back to 2017 for the Week 15/16 CFP rankings, 10 wins seems to be the general rule for P5 teams to be one of the Top 12 selected.

Exceptions being...

2017
TCU (10-3) was ranked #15.
Stanford and Notre Dame had 9 wins, but were ranked higher at #13 and #14.
UCF (12-0) took the #12 spot. However, everybody in the Top 12 had at least 10 wins.

2018
Washington St (10-3) ranked #13.
Florida, LSU, and Penn St (all at 9 wins) took the #10, #11, and #12 spots.

2019
Alabama (10-2) ranked #13
Notre Dame (10-2) ranked #15
Minnesota (10-2) ranked #18
Auburn (9-3) took the #12 spot.

2020 was the covid season so I ignored it.

In 2021 and 2022, everybody in the Top 12 had at least 10 wins.
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Hell, there has been a 12 win P5 team that didn't make the playoff
 
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