Does it really matter how many IC games or P5 games you play?

[Red_Alert]

In 2015 Ole Miss (9-3) took the #12 spot.

#13 Northwestern (10-2)
#14 Michigan (9-3)
#15 Oregon (9-3)
#16 Oklahoma St (10-2)

2015 Ole Miss out-of-conference schedule...

Tennessee-Martin
Fresno St
New Mexico St
Memphis

 

[Deep Creek]

The way that many teams - UGA, Bama, UT, OU and others - have scheduled OOC for the next 10 years, it's obvious they get it. The SEC may not have gone to 9 games, but they got rid of divisions meaning that the inventory of Elite games went way up. Preserving the most important rivalries also drives up, or at least maintains that inventory. The final thing will be to go do 9 IC games. It'll happen in due time.

They "get it" part way. I'll be willing to bet there are AT LEAST two cupcake games on every schedule. I'll die before there aren't any. Hell, Christ may return before there aren't any more cupcake games on the schedule.

 

[Red_Alert]

Hell, there has been a 12 win P5 team that didn't make the playoff

That won't happen in a 12 team playoff.

In Week #14 of 2017 Wisconsin was in the CFP at #4 before losing to Ohio St in the Big 10 CCG.
Wisconsin ended up #6 in the Week #15 CFP poll.

 

[Deep Creek]

In 2015 Ole Miss (9-3) took the #12 spot.

#13 Northwestern (10-2)
#14 Michigan (9-3)
#15 Oregon (9-3)
#16 Oklahoma St (10-2)

2015 Ole Miss out-of-conference schedule...

Tennessee-Martin
Fresno St
New Mexico St
Memphis

Murderer's Row.

 

[Kburjr]

That won't happen in a 12 team playoff.

In Week #14 of 2017 Wisconsin was in the CFP at #4 before losing to Ohio St in the Big 10 CCG.
Wisconsin ended up #6 in the Week #15 CFP poll.

Oh, I understand that. I was talking current system.

 

[Red_Alert]

Oh, I understand that. I was talking current system.

There's typically been debate between #4, #5, and #6.

That debate will soon shift to #12, #13, #14.

The SEC has typically gotten the benefit of the doubt for a 9 win team in the #12 slot over other 9 or 10 win teams.
Would those SEC schools have those 9 win teams with a 9 game conference schedule?

We know that half of the SEC teams would have a guaranteed extra loss if they did.

 

[fishinabarrel]

The total numbers are right there ... 43 since 2013. I am not going to dig in to see how many are bowl games, neutral, etc.

Im much too lazy to research it as well but I'd say with decent confidence around 80% of those are bowl games

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Yes, greater chance of losing a conference game as opposed to an FCS opponent. I get it for teams like Vandy, SC, Missouri, the Mississippi schools, Kentucky, because it could mean the difference between a bowl game or not. Bama and Georgia have just as much chance of beating SC and Vandy as they do Samford and UAB, so I doubt the 9th game would really hurt them in most seasons.

That's why I am more concerned with the fact that we now play the former SECW teams like Bama, LSU, OU, ATM, and TX every other year instead of every 6 years. Even Arkansas and Ole Miss every other year is likely to add a loss every now and again. We will play AU and UF every year. Basically, even if we stay with a 8 game IC schedule, per the above our schedule just got more than 3X more difficult with no divisions - I arrive at that because we play the better teams in what was the West 3 times in six years instead once, and then we play OU and UT every other year, teams we didn't play IC before.

Anyone complaining about the SEC staying at 6 games isn't paying attention to everything else that they are doing that actually has more impact on the difficulty of our schedule.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Im much too lazy to research it as well but I'd say with decent confidence around 80% of those are bowl games

Point stands ... when we play OOC, we have the best record against other conferences by far. That's the point being made ... true away, neutral, or bowls ... complain we don't play 9 IC games, which is fine, but beating us more often would say a lot more.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

They "get it" part way. I'll be willing to bet there are AT LEAST two cupcake games on every schedule. I'll die before there aren't any. Hell, Christ may return before there aren't any more cupcake games on the schedule.

I don't have a problem with 2 cupcakes. I don't think you will ever see them go away. I can tell you that if they do make those go away, the media companies better have their wallets out and open. The problem in the SEC was 4 cupcakes (like we have this year), and then divisions that give us Vandy, down UF, and down Auburn.

 

[Deep Creek]

I don't have a problem with 2 cupcakes. I don't think you will ever see them go away. I can tell you that if they do make those go away, the media companies better have their wallets out and open. The problem in the SEC was 4 cupcakes (like we have this year), and then divisions that give us Vandy, down UF, and down Auburn.

Difference is you don’t have a choice with those conference opponents whether they are up or down. You do have a choice in scheduling OOC teams and willingly do so knowing you’ll get a win. Equivalent of throwing the Christians to the lions.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

LOL @ the SEC chumps making excuses for only playing 8 games.

UGAs schedule is the most pathetic of all, no wonder a Jawja fan made this thread.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

LOL @ the SEC chumps making excuses for only playing 8 games.

UGAs schedule is the most pathetic of all, no wonder a Jawja fan made this thread.

You aren't capable of critical thinking, so it's not surprising you don't get the nuance.

As you well know, we had two P5s scheduled OOC this year ... GaTech and OU. We can't help that the Nerds suck, and that the SEC made us cancel the OU game. We had one of the better G5 scheduled - UAB, and a cupcake with UT-Martin. Nothing out of the ordinary there other than the OU game getting canceled.

Other than that, check the scoreboard. Not worried about our schedule, IC or OOC.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

You aren't capable of critical thinking, so it's not surprising you don't get the nuance.

As you well know, we had two P5s scheduled OOC this year ... GaTech and OU. We can't help that the Nerds suck, and that the SEC made us cancel the OU game. We had one of the better G5 scheduled - UAB, and a cupcake with UT-Martin. Nothing out of the ordinary there other than the OU game getting canceled.

Other than that, check the scoreboard. Not worried about our schedule, IC or OOC.

You could have made the OU game neutral site.

You could have found a replacement.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

You could have made the OU game neutral site.

You could have found a replacement.

No to both.

OU already has an annual neutral game against TX. They only play 5 home games this year, they weren't going to give up one of those 5 and have 4 home games. So, no, they couldn't have made it a neutral site game.

UGA tried to get a better opponent. There simply aren't P5 schools that had slots available with less than a year's notice. If you follow CFB, you know these types of games are scheduled way in advance. UTjr was able to get a replacement for their game, but it isn't until 2024 so they had an extra year to get a game against NCState.

Finally, you are posting as if we are afraid to schedule tough OOC. We are easily in the top 3 of OOC scheduling teams. Here is our OOC for a 32 year period, 2002 - 2034. Does this strike you as a team that won't schedule tough OOC?

With GaTech every year:
2002 - Clemson
2003 - @Clemson
2005 - Boise St.
2006 - Colorado
2007 - Oklahoma St.
2008 - @Arizona St.
2009 - Arizona St., @Oklahoma St.
2010 - @Colorado
2011 - Boise St. (Atl)
2013 - @Clemson
2014 - Clemson
2016 - North Carolina (Atl)
2017 - @Notre Dame
2019 - Notre Dame
2020 - UVa (Atl)
2021 - Clemson (Charlotte)
2022 - Oregon (Atl)
2024 - Clemson (Atl)
2025 - @UCLA
2026 - @Louisville, UCLA
2027 - @FSU, Louisville
2028 - FSU
2029 - @Clemson
2030 - Clemson, tOSU
2031 - @tOSU
2032 - Clemson
2033 - @Clemson, NCState
2034 - @NCState

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

No to both.

OU already has an annual neutral game against TX. They only play 5 home games this year, they weren't going to give up one of those 5 and have 4 home games. So, no, they couldn't have made it a neutral site game.

UGA tried to get a better opponent. There simply aren't P5 schools that had slots available with less than a year's notice. If you follow CFB, you know these types of games are scheduled way in advance. UTjr was able to get a replacement for their game, but it isn't until 2024 so they had an extra year to get a game against NCState.

Oh, so UGA was too afraid to play at OU. That makes more sense.
There are any number of teams that would have bumped their scheduled game for a home game with UGA,

 

[Across The Field]

2027 - @FSU, Louisville
2028 - FSU
2029 - @Clemson
2030 - Clemson, tOSU
2031 - @tOSU
2032 - Clemson
2033 - @Clemson, NCState

If FSU continues to ascend and Clemson can get back to being Clemson, this is going to be a fucking gauntlet. Only thing I can think is by that time Saban will likely retire (right?) and Dabo will end up at Bama, so Clemson may end up going back to being a 7-5/8-4 team, which is still a quality OOC opponent. I also cannot wait for those OSU/UGA games.

 

[outofyourmind]

OU already has an annual neutral game against TX. They only play 5 home games this year, they weren't going to give up one of those 5 and have 4 home games. So, no, they couldn't have made it a neutral site game.

I would bet that Oklahoma, Texas, Georgia, and Florida have all played fewer home games than anyone else in the nation over the past 80 years.

 

[ericd7633]

Oh, so UGA was too afraid to play at OU. That makes more sense.
There are any number of teams that would have bumped their scheduled game for a home game with UGA,

That's just simply not true given the timeline. The SEC announced this decision in September of 2022. It's next to impossible to schedule a home and home for the following season. Teams aren't going to pay money to get out of a contract to sign a home and home. You only do that if you want more home games, like Michigan did with their UCLA game. The best they could have hoped for was a 1 off at the start of the season on a neutral field, but even that's tough given it was already September. Just looking at those contests for 2023, UL vs. GT was scheduled in January of 2021. UVA vs. Tenn was scheduled in May of 2022. UNC vs. South Carolina was scheduled in 2021 and LSU vs. FSU was scheduled in 2018.

 

[ericd7633]

No to both.

OU already has an annual neutral game against TX. They only play 5 home games this year, they weren't going to give up one of those 5 and have 4 home games. So, no, they couldn't have made it a neutral site game.

UGA tried to get a better opponent. There simply aren't P5 schools that had slots available with less than a year's notice. If you follow CFB, you know these types of games are scheduled way in advance. UTjr was able to get a replacement for their game, but it isn't until 2024 so they had an extra year to get a game against NCState.

Finally, you are posting as if we are afraid to schedule tough OOC. We are easily in the top 3 of OOC scheduling teams. Here is our OOC for a 32 year period, 2002 - 2034. Does this strike you as a team that won't schedule tough OOC?

With GaTech every year:
2002 - Clemson
2003 - @Clemson
2005 - Boise St.
2006 - Colorado
2007 - Oklahoma St.
2008 - @Arizona St.
2009 - Arizona St., @Oklahoma St.
2010 - @Colorado
2011 - Boise St. (Atl)
2013 - @Clemson
2014 - Clemson
2016 - North Carolina (Atl)
2017 - @Notre Dame
2019 - Notre Dame
2020 - UVa (Atl)
2021 - Clemson (Charlotte)
2022 - Oregon (Atl)
2024 - Clemson (Atl)
2025 - @UCLA
2026 - @Louisville, UCLA
2027 - @FSU, Louisville
2028 - FSU
2029 - @Clemson
2030 - Clemson, tOSU
2031 - @tOSU
2032 - Clemson
2033 - @Clemson, NCState
2034 - @NCState

UGA has always scheduled great OOC.