Electric Cars

SlinkyRedfoot said:
No, I think you're a fucking muppet.
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Well he's dumber than an anchovy by admission.....


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Center Ice said:
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I still think people think this is a bigger issue than it actually is. Again, most people aren't using anywhere near the vehicle range on a daily basis - let alone maybe even in a week of driving. For most people this simply means they might need to charge more often per week, if not impact them at all if they have home charging. We lost range on ours, it didn't matter because we charge every day at home. It had 0 impact on us.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I still think people think this is a bigger issue than it actually is. Again, most people aren't using anywhere near the vehicle range on a daily basis - let alone maybe even in a week of driving. For most people this simply means they might need to charge more often per week, if not impact them at all if they have home charging. We lost range on ours, it didn't matter because we charge every day at home. It had 0 impact on us.
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Your entire argument at this point is that EVs are fine for daily driving, but a lot of people need things for more than daily driving.
 
Two of our locations have bought pit loaders with electric motors powering the wheels, but still uses diesel, so I guess essentially a hybrid. Cuts the diesel usage in half, which is huge, especially considering our pit loader uses over 200 gallons in a day, and we’re a midsized quarry with limited production hours due to ordinances, so it’s probably more than that at our bigger locations.

Tires for those loaders are like 6 grand each, and the tires wear out faster, but the fuels savings more than make up for it.

I’d imagine that will be every quarry’s next new pit loader
 
Flavortown Tebow said:
Your entire argument at this point is that EVs are fine for daily driving, but a lot of people need things for more than daily driving.
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And a lot of people almost never use more than the range of these things all at once - or - live in a two vehicle household where it wouldn't matter. Right now, there's no argument from me that EV's won't fit the driving needs for some people. But I think a lot of people over-emphasize their use of their car for long trips. Even if you needed significant range once or twice a year, some people could do that just fine but it would just take planning to stop somewhere to charge.
My in-laws only have a Model S, that's their only vehicle, and have made the trip from Tenn->Michigan a few times. It's more inconvenient doing that, no doubt. It adds time to the trip, no argument. But they do it maybe once a year so it's something they just expected to deal with.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
And a lot of people almost never use more than the range of these things all at once - or - live in a two vehicle household where it wouldn't matter. Right now, there's no argument from me that EV's won't fit the driving needs for some people. But I think a lot of people over-emphasize their use of their car for long trips. Even if you needed significant range once or twice a year, some people could do that just fine but it would just take planning to stop somewhere to charge.
My in-laws only have a Model S, that's their only vehicle, and have made the trip from Tenn->Michigan a few times. It's more inconvenient doing that, no doubt. It adds time to the trip, no argument. But they do it maybe once a year so it's something they just expected to deal with.
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It's going to extend people's trips significantly. The last thing someone wants to do on an 8 hour drive is to add another hour sitting at charging stations. Fucking woat.

Also what do you do if you run out of charge before hitting a charging dock? You aint walking a gas can to the station. Do tow trucks have portable juicers?
 
Flavortown Tebow said:
Your entire argument at this point is that EVs are fine for daily driving, but a lot of people need things for more than daily driving.
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but a lot of people do...
 
Flavortown Tebow said:
It's going to extend people's trips significantly. The last thing someone wants to do on an 8 hour drive is to add another hour sitting at charging stations. Fucking woat.

Also what do you do if you run out of charge before hitting a charging dock? You aint walking a gas can to the station. Do tow trucks have portable juicers?
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then it isn't the car you take on a roadtrip.

no one is suggesting it be your ONLY car right now.
 
ill said:
looks like the biggest drop is the Mustang EV and the VW, which has one of the biggest ranges to begin with in 70° temps

shoot, it's cold weather range is still higher than some of the other vehicles warm weather range

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I wonder what Jaguar is doing to make their car so good in the winter?
 
Flavortown Tebow said:
It's going to extend people's trips significantly. The last thing someone wants to do on an 8 hour drive is to add another hour sitting at charging stations. Fucking woat.

Also what do you do if you run out of charge before hitting a charging dock? You aint walking a gas can to the station. Do tow trucks have portable juicers?
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"significantly" is relative. On a cross country trip? yes. On a trip from Michigan to Florida? Maybe. But Michigan to Nashville is around 650 miles. Their Tesla has roughly a 390 mile range. They'd stop to charge once for about 45 minutes. So it adds 45 minutes. There's a Tesla station somewhere in the middle they always plan to stop at with lunch options nearby. Is that "significant" -- guess it depends on the individual. But they for sure save more than 45 minutes a year by not having to use gas stations.

Honestly, probably easier to tow the car to a station at this point. I'm sure there are some portable charging companies out there.
 
ill said:
looks like the biggest drop is the Mustang EV and the VW, which has one of the biggest ranges to begin with in 70° temps

shoot, it's cold weather range is still higher than some of the other vehicles warm weather range

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Where I've arrived in all this is that EV's are fine local daily drivers for the urban cowboy heading into town and back but for anything else, you better drag out the ICE vehicle. In addition, if I were greeted by a snowstorm when I woke up, I would have much more confidence in a fully fuelled ICE vehicle than an EV. When you start getting into work and recreation then ICE blows EV's off the map. The F150 Lightening touts a 10,000 pound towing capacity, however Car & Driver estimates that under such load, the vehicle would have less than a 100 mile range. Interesting how that stat never makes the brochures.

EV's and ICE vehicles will have to co-exist. The political push to replace ICE vehicles with EV's, is just that, political and when I see all those same politicians climbing aboard their private jets on a climate change tour to tell you how you must suffer but not them, I start to get aggravated. I hate hypocrites.
 
Center Ice said:
Where I've arrived in all this is that EV's are fine local daily drivers for the urban cowboy heading into town and back but for anything else, you better drag out the ICE vehicle. In addition, if I were greeted by a snowstorm when I woke up, I would have much more confidence in a fully fuelled ICE vehicle than an EV. When you start getting into work and recreation then ICE blows EV's off the map. The F150 Lightening touts a 10,000 pound towing capacity, however Car & Driver estimates that under such load, the vehicle would have less than a 100 mile range. Interesting how that stat never makes the brochures.

EV's and ICE vehicles will have to co-exist. The political push to replace ICE vehicles with EV's, is just that, political and when I see all those same politicians climbing aboard their private jets on a climate change tour to tell you how you must suffer but not them, I start to get aggravated. I hate hypocrites.
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I agree...and it pays to have one of each, IMO.
 
Kind of considering getting a model 3 performance :think:
 
Toyota might be changing the game really soon:
insideevs.com

Toyota’s Newly Revealed EV Plans Include 900-Mile Batteries

The car group’s newly revealed plans mention that the first of the next-generation EV will debut in 2026 as a Lexus, using a lithium-ion battery that offers over 600 miles of driving range.
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The Japanese car group’s newly revealed plans mention that the first of the next-generation EV will debut in 2026 as a Lexus, using a next-gen lithium-ion battery that offers over 600 miles of driving range on a single charge, as reported by Automotive News.
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But more importantly IMO

With this technology, Toyota estimates it will churn out around 1.7 million EVs based on the newly developed, purpose-built architecture by 2030, which will benefit from solid-state batteries starting in 2027.

According to the Japanese brand, these can increase range by 20 percent over its next-gen lithium-ion packs, while an advanced solid-state battery that’s scheduled to make an appearance after 2028 will be able to boost range by 50 percent, resulting in over 900 miles (1,448 km) of zero-emissions driving.
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If true, this would be a massive game-changer in the EV world. That would allow someone to, say, drive from Ann Arbor to Atlanta Georgia on a SINGLE charge. Even a 600 mile range would be a massive improvement, especially for cold weather. Even a 40% reduction in range during winter (a worst case scenario) would still result in 360 miles of usable range.
 
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