SDSU Not Leaving the Mountain West?

Deep Creek said:
Okay, I'll buy that. But the difference in television revenue between the big 2 and mid 3 ain't "evening out" any more better than the revenue between the mid 3 and lower 5. It very well could be getting more uneven that the other gap.
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SEC expected about 67Mil per school but that number likely to go up annually
Big 10 about 51 Mil per school also expected to go up annually
Big XII 31.6 Mil
ACC last report i saw said about 36mil per school

AAC 7 Mil
MWC 4 mil
CUSA 750,000
Mid 670,000
Sun Belt 500,000
not sure if current realignment caused changes to these numbers tho

Pac TBD projected 25-30mil per school
 
OlyDuck said:
SEC expected about 67Mil per school but that number likely to go up annually
Big 10 about 51 Mil per school also expected to go up annually
Big XII 31.6 Mil
ACC last report i saw said about 36mil per school

AAC 7 Mil
MWC 4 mil
CUSA 750,000
Mid 670,000
Sun Belt 500,000
not sure if current realignment caused changes to these numbers tho

Pac TBD projected 25-30mil per school
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The Big 10 paid out $58.8 million for the 2022 season.
The SEC paid out $49.9 million.
 
SDSU is the Peter Pan university, they don't want to grow up
 
Red_Alert said:
The Big 10 paid out $58.8 million for the 2022 season.
The SEC paid out $49.9 million.
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The numbers i went on were media deal not full distribution.
 
ralphiewvu said:
So what would be the process/fee to get them back in the MWC?
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It looks like the only “fee” are some lawyer fees that SDSU will have to pay. 100k tops

I guess SDSU felt like that fee was worth trying to force the PACs hand
 
duckboy33 said:
It looks like the only “fee” are some lawyer fees that SDSU will have to pay. 100k tops

I guess SDSU felt like that fee was worth trying to force the PACs hand
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I’m very surprised it wasn’t something more. But hey, good for SDSU. At the end of the day they and the MWC knew they’d be welcomed back. But really there is nothing from stopping this from happening every year or other year. To each their own I suppose.
 
ralphiewvu said:
I’m very surprised it wasn’t something more. But hey, good for SDSU. At the end of the day they and the MWC knew they’d be welcomed back. But really there is nothing from stopping this from happening every year or other year. To each their own I suppose.
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This is life as a G5 conference
 
duckboy33 said:
This is life as a G5 conference
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It’s such a piss poor excuse to let teams walk all over ya. I’m not suggesting they make SDSU sign a 99 year GoR, but signing even a 3 year GoR gives a little stability and leaves plenty of time for planning an exit in an organized manor for both sides.
 
ralphiewvu said:
It’s such a piss poor excuse to let teams walk all over ya. I’m not suggesting they make SDSU sign a 99 year GoR, but signing even a 3 year GoR gives a little stability and leaves plenty of time for planning an exit in an organized manor for both sides.
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They already have a GOR and the exit penalty has already been agreed upon. Do you really think the MWC should restructure their deal to make sure that nobody is able to ever leave? Would the other schools even want that? I know Fresno State has openly talked about their desire to play in the PAC or Big 12. A lot of the MWC schools would probably oppose strengthening the GOR because they can foresee a situation where they would want to leave the MWC.
 
duckboy33 said:
They already have a GOR and the exit penalty has already been agreed upon. Do you really think the MWC should restructure their deal to make sure that nobody is able to ever leave? Would the other schools even want that? I know Fresno State has openly talked about their desire to play in the PAC or Big 12. A lot of the MWC schools would probably oppose strengthening the GOR because they can foresee a situation where they would want to leave the MWC.
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Here’s the reality. In total, the SDSU, Fresno State types are more similar to the TCU, Utah types than most want to admit. Hasn’t been that long ago they were very much so. The only major difference now is in conference revenue checks.

Here’s another truth. There are many P2/P5 teams that are more similar to those four teams than people want to admit.
 
duckboy33 said:
They already have a GOR and the exit penalty has already been agreed upon. Do you really think the MWC should restructure their deal to make sure that nobody is able to ever leave? Would the other schools even want that? I know Fresno State has openly talked about their desire to play in the PAC or Big 12. A lot of the MWC schools would probably oppose strengthening the GOR because they can foresee a situation where they would want to leave the MWC.
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I could see UNLV leaving of they could ever get their shit slightly together in the football side.
 
Peter Gozintite said:
I could see UNLV leaving of they could ever get their shit slightly together in the football side.
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UNLV would be a lot more viable for the Big 12 and/or PAC 12 if their football team was competitive. I think SDSU, Fresno State, UNLV, Boise State and Colorado State all understand that there could be a scenario where they would want to leave the MWC in the future. That's why they're not going to implement an extremely punitive exit fee.
 
duckboy33 said:
They already have a GOR and the exit penalty has already been agreed upon. Do you really think the MWC should restructure their deal to make sure that nobody is able to ever leave? Would the other schools even want that? I know Fresno State has openly talked about their desire to play in the PAC or Big 12. A lot of the MWC schools would probably oppose strengthening the GOR because they can foresee a situation where they would want to leave the MWC.
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Yes, I think the MWC should restructure there GoR to stop this SDSU situation from happening yearly. Again, I’m not suggesting a 99 year GoR, but a short one. Every other school would/should be for this because like it or not SDSU is the only one with a path to a P5 at the moment. UNLV, Fresno St and anyone else isn’t getting into the B12 right now. The only real chance they have of PAC12 membership so soon is if there is a mass exodus of current PAC teams. So yeah, I think most in the MWC would be for this.
 
ralphiewvu said:
Yes, I think the MWC should restructure there GoR to stop this SDSU situation from happening yearly. Again, I’m not suggesting a 99 year GoR, but a short one. Every other school would/should be for this because like it or not SDSU is the only one with a path to a P5 at the moment. UNLV, Fresno St and anyone else isn’t getting into the B12 right now. The only real chance they have of PAC12 membership so soon is if there is a mass exodus of current PAC teams. So yeah, I think most in the MWC would be for this.
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If there's one thing we should have learned, it's that the college sports landscape can change quickly. These presidents aren't going to make a short sighted decision that's going to make it impossible for them to improve their situations in the future. Fresno State's president has only talked about making more investments to get into a P5 conference. They aren't going to turn around and make it impossible for them to leave, should that opportunity to present itself. As I said, I doubt UNLV, Fresno State, Colorado State, Boise State or San Diego State would support that.

And if you want proof of this, see the fact that they didn't change the exit penalty fees...
 
duckboy33 said:
If there's one thing we should have learned, it's that the college sports landscape can change quickly. These presidents aren't going to make a short sighted decision that's going to make it impossible for them to improve their situations in the future. Fresno State's president has only talked about making more investments to get into a P5 conference. They aren't going to turn around and make it impossible for them to leave, should that opportunity to present itself. As I said, I doubt UNLV, Fresno State, Colorado State, Boise State or San Diego State would support that.

And if you want proof of this, see the fact that they didn't change the exit penalty fees...
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P5 is a thing of the past. The disparity in revenue blew that category all to hell. Looking like instead of a P5 and G5 we are going to have a P2 and G8-1, G8-2, G8-3...............................
 
duckboy33 said:
If there's one thing we should have learned, it's that the college sports landscape can change quickly. These presidents aren't going to make a short sighted decision that's going to make it impossible for them to improve their situations in the future. Fresno State's president has only talked about making more investments to get into a P5 conference. They aren't going to turn around and make it impossible for them to leave, should that opportunity to present itself. As I said, I doubt UNLV, Fresno State, Colorado State, Boise State or San Diego State would support that.

And if you want proof of this, see the fact that they didn't change the exit penalty fees...
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You can pretend any of them (save SDSU and SMU) have an iota of a chance of landing a P5 opportunity within this decade. The fact of the matter is TV contracts just won’t allow this. The B12 has a prorata rate from only one network (ESPN) for P5 only. There still as been no confirmation the other partner (FOX) is willing to do this. If that’s the case, there is an even less chance a P5 joins the B12 let alone a G5. The PAC still doesn’t even have a TV deal after next June. You think them loading up on G5s is going to deliver this?

Again I’m not suggesting a 99 GoR but something manageable like 3 to 5 years to prevent this type of shot show from a yearly occurrence and give time for planning. But if the MWC wants this then so be it.
 
ralphiewvu said:
You can pretend any of them (save SDSU and SMU) have an iota of a chance of landing a P5 opportunity within this decade. The fact of the matter is TV contracts just won’t allow this. The B12 has a prorata rate from only one network (ESPN) for P5 only. There still as been no confirmation the other partner (FOX) is willing to do this. If that’s the case, there is an even less chance a P5 joins the B12 let alone a G5. The PAC still doesn’t even have a TV deal after next June. You think them loading up on G5s is going to deliver this?

Again I’m not suggesting a 99 GoR but something manageable like 3 to 5 years to prevent this type of shot show from a yearly occurrence and give time for planning. But if the MWC wants this then so be it.
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You're mistaken about a couple of things.

1) Despite the pro-rata clause, the Big 12 has been in talks about adding UConn. So the contracts do allow it, the money just has to be negotiated and isn't guaranteed. It makes those additions more difficult but it's not true to say it's a "fact" that the Big 12 couldn't add MWC schools.

2) With regard to the PAC, if all 10 members stay put, I wouldn't expect the PAC to pursue any MWC teams besides SDSU. However, if Arizona and Colorado joined the Big 12 and the other members stayed put, they'd almost certainly look at some of the other MWC teams. Fresno State, UNLV, Colorado State, and Boise State could potentially prevent themselves from getting one of those spots and the PAC would likely look east for partners (SMU, Rice, Tulane, UTSA, etc.). These schools don't want to miss their window because they were being petty towards SDSU.

3) I don't think you understand the GOR thing. You keep mentioning the "99 years" as an extreme example but it's not just the length of the issue. The MWC already has a GOR through their next media contract. They've also outlined penalties if a school breaks that GOR. Those penalties have already been discussed in this thread. What I think you are advocating for is a more punitive exit fee than the one that was previously agreed upon. I've already explained to you why teams would be reluctant to sign this. Look at the ACC. After Maryland left, they signed a GOR with an extremely punitive exit penalty. The top half of that conference deeply regrets that decision and have teams of lawyers trying to find a way out of it.
 
duckboy33 said:
You're mistaken about a couple of things.

1) Despite the pro-rata clause, the Big 12 has been in talks about adding UConn. So the contracts do allow it, the money just has to be negotiated and isn't guaranteed. It makes those additions more difficult but it's not true to say it's a "fact" that the Big 12 couldn't add MWC schools.

2) With regard to the PAC, if all 10 members stay put, I wouldn't expect the PAC to pursue any MWC teams besides SDSU. However, if Arizona and Colorado joined the Big 12 and the other members stayed put, they'd almost certainly look at some of the other MWC teams. Fresno State, UNLV, Colorado State, and Boise State could potentially prevent themselves from getting one of those spots and the PAC would likely look east for partners (SMU, Rice, Tulane, UTSA, etc.). These schools don't want to miss their window because they were being petty towards SDSU.

3) I don't think you understand the GOR thing. You keep mentioning the "99 years" as an extreme example but it's not just the length of the issue. The MWC already has a GOR through their next media contract. They've also outlined penalties if a school breaks that GOR. Those penalties have already been discussed in this thread. What I think you are advocating for is a more punitive exit fee than the one that was previously agreed upon. I've already explained to you why teams would be reluctant to sign this. Look at the ACC. After Maryland left, they signed a GOR with an extremely punitive exit penalty. The top half of that conference deeply regrets that decision and have teams of lawyers trying to find a way out of it.
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LOL

1) The B12 hasn’t added Uconn. Pete Thamel of ESPN had a direct quote of an assistant AD of the B12 saying he’d be surprised and it’d take a lot for the B12 to add any non P5 team. And it’s quite obvious Yormack got no traction with adding SDSU from the B12 presidents.

2) If those two (Az and Cu) leave the PAC, the PAC likely adds 2 fill ins. Pretending it’s anyone but SDSU and SMU at this juncture is foolish. Adding more MWC teams is not going to add to the Tv deal. And teams like Oregon and Washington aren’t taking a haircut for Boise, UNLV and the rest of the MWC. What’s more, these schools know this. Ypu seem to be the only one that doesn’t understand this.

3) So if the MWC has this vaunted GoR as you speak, how was SDSU able to join the PAC for 2024 as they were trying to do just a month ago? Also a GoR is the thing preventing any ACC from leaving. A punitive exit fee can hurt but it’s not impossible or unrealistic to break. Again, you seem to be the only one on here that thinks every MWC has a chance for a P5 membership this decade. Not only is that naive but ridiculously stupid given the way media is going. And please stop comparing Maryland (a P5 already that had a massive basketball program and a decent football program) with anyone in the MWC. The comparison is beyond laughable.
 
ralphiewvu said:
LOL

1) The B12 hasn’t added Uconn. Pete Thamel of ESPN had a direct quote of an assistant AD of the B12 saying he’d be surprised and it’d take a lot for the B12 to add any non P5 team. And it’s quite obvious Yormack got no traction with adding SDSU from the B12 presidents.

2) If those two (Az and Cu) leave the PAC, the PAC likely adds 2 fill ins. Pretending it’s anyone but SDSU and SMU at this juncture is foolish. Adding more MWC teams is not going to add to the Tv deal. And teams like Oregon and Washington aren’t taking a haircut for Boise, UNLV and the rest of the MWC. What’s more, these schools know this. Ypu seem to be the only one that doesn’t understand this.

3) So if the MWC has this vaunted GoR as you speak, how was SDSU able to join the PAC for 2024 as they were trying to do just a month ago? Also a GoR is the thing preventing any ACC from leaving. A punitive exit fee can hurt but it’s not impossible or unrealistic to break. Again, you seem to be the only one on here that thinks every MWC has a chance for a P5 membership this decade. Not only is that naive but ridiculously stupid given the way media is going. And please stop comparing Maryland (a P5 already that had a massive basketball program and a decent football program) with anyone in the MWC. The comparison is beyond laughable.
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1) The Big 12 hasn't added anyone. That doesn't mean it can't happen, it means it hasn't happened. I'm sure the Big 12 wants to wait and see what happens with the PAC but if the PAC survives, the Big 12 may shift their focus.

2) If the PAC goes down to 8 members, there's a very good chance they will want to get up to at least 12. It's why they're talking about SDSU and SMU right now, to get them back to 12.

3) SDSU could potentially joining the PAC by paying the exit fee that was agreed upon. All these contracts have exit penalties that are agreed upon. Conferences with lower payouts, like the MWC, generally have lower exit penalties. The ACC has made their exit penalties so egregious that nobody wants to leave the conference. But is that good for the ACC? The ACC schools don't seem to think so.

A couple factual errors you've made:
- I never claimed everyone in the MWC has a chance at joining a P5. This idea would probably be supported by SJSU, Hawaii, Wyoming, etc.
- Nobody compared Maryland to anyone in the MWC. The point was Maryland leaving triggered the ACC into implementing the idea that you're calling for. And with the gift of hindsight, it was clearly a mistake in the eyes of FSU, Clemson, UNC, etc.
 
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