More Michigan Cheating

Red_Alert said:
It doesn't matter where the news broke because the Big 10 notified all of Michigan's future opponents.
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That happened after the message board leaks. This was the first leak anywhere that something was coming.

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osubuckeye89 said:
Lol it didn't break on Ohio State forums, that claim is total BS. I think Yahoo Sports is the one who broke it.
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It did. This was the first thing that circulated on any michigan board about something happening. It was mostly brushed off as nothing until this story broke yesterday:
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Red_Alert said:
How is it you don't comprehend that certain methods of sign stealing are illegal?
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Sign stealing is never illegal in college football. How you gain information about the signs they're using IS regulated. Because it's not just stealing or recording the signs, you still have to decode and appropriately use them during games (and that aspect is absolutely legal). It's illegal to sit in the stands and record signs. That's what Michigan has allegedly done.

Michigan sign stealing is not the issue. That is totally legal. How that information is being collected to legally sign steal is the crux of the issue here.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I'm not defending anything, as I really couldn't care less and I hope it is true, as it means UM is slowly getting out of their archaic ways.

That being said -- unless Michigan is applying for sideline press passes, where you are granted access to bring video equipment -- how are they shooting video of the sidelines? Cell phone?
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Seriously? You don't think they could figure out a way to record the sideline? Sure, cell phone. You realize today's cell phone videos are about as good as something you could buy standalone, right? The idea you are so naive to think they couldn't think of a way to do it if they chose to do so is some seriously weak sauce.

And, yes, you are defending it ... you did it in this post.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Well, we don't' really know the context of what's being accused here. I personally can't think of an advantage a team would have by sitting someone in the stands. From someone who sits in the stands 7-8 times a year, I can tell you most of the time I come home, watch highlights and see a bunch of stuff that I didn't/couldn't see in the stadium. I guess you could gain some minor bits of information from being in person but it would have to and couldn't only be supplemental to the video scouting that every single team does. Unless they were very literally on the sidelines of games I just can't see what significant value this would hold.
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"Well, we don't really know the context of what's being accused here"

Well you seem to know, hence you keep saying it's not illegal and a nothing-burger to harass Harbaugh.

"I just can't see what significant value this would hold"

One more time..... Then why do it?



 
Red_Alert said:
"Well, we don't really know the context of what's being accused here"

Well you seem to know, hence you keep saying it's not illegal and a nothing-burger to harass Harbaugh.

"I just can't see what significant value this would hold"

One more time..... Then why do it?
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Again, we don't really know "what" they did. So I can't say why "they" did anything. We don't actually know if Michigan did anything.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
If we did anything, I very much doubt that Michigan had anyone on payroll at games. Especially anyone who would be recognized as a "michigan individual".
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If you're sitting behind someone in the stands and can see them zooming in on the individual sending in every play signal it would certainly make one question why.
 
Red_Alert said:
If you're sitting behind someone in the stands and can see them zooming in on the individual sending in every play signal it would certainly make one question why.
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Have you been to football games?...recently that is. I'm sure you have been to football games but that happens pretty literally at all games. People record everything now. Just a few weeks ago I had a guy two rows in front of me that must have recorded like 75% of the game on his phone. I guarantee you that no one would bat an eye at you doing that in any major stadium. Now, if you went to Rutgers and did it, it might be more obvious.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Sign stealing is never illegal in college football. How you gain information about the signs they're using IS regulated. Because it's not just stealing or recording the signs, you still have to decode and appropriately use them during games (and that aspect is absolutely legal). It's illegal to sit in the stands and record signs. That's what Michigan has allegedly done.

Michigan sign stealing is not the issue. That is totally legal. How that information is being collected to legally sign steal is the crux of the issue here.
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LOL.

Certain METHODS of sign stealing are indeed illegal. It's in the rules.

It's pretty simple. Record the individual on the future opponents team that is sending in the signs, then record the formation and the play that is run.
 
Red_Alert said:
That's right up there with hoping kids get cancer.
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Or saying if his wife was sexually assaulted, it'd be exactly the same as him willfully getting into a barfight with another man.
 
Red_Alert said:
LOL.

Certain METHODS of sign stealing are indeed illegal. It's in the rules.
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No, scouting in person is illegal. If Michigan broke a rule, the rule they broke has nothing to do with sign stealing. That may have been their ultimate intention (to use the information to steal signs) but the rule they broke is scouting a team in person. Hard stop.
It's pretty simple. Record the individual on the future opponents team that is sending in the signs, then record the formation and the play that is run.
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Signs are not that simple, and are purposefully coded to prevent pretty literally this.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Have you been to football games?...recently that is. I'm sure you have been to football games but that happens pretty literally at all games. People record everything now. Just a few weeks ago I had a guy two rows in front of me that must have recorded like 75% of the game on his phone. I guarantee you that no one would bat an eye at you doing that in any major stadium. Now, if you went to Rutgers and did it, it might be more obvious.
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Zooming in on a future opponents individual sending in every play sign would be pretty obvious. That's not some fan recording a game.
 
ellupo said:
Then how can you keep saying they did nothing wrong?
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I didn't. I'm saying I don't care if they did the, what I perceive as minor, thing they're accused of.
 
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