More Michigan Cheating

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I love that they tried to change their signs, lost and then blamed sign stealing.
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If they successfully changed their signs, Michigan’s data was outdated and then Michigan is interpreting the signals wrongly, which puts Michigan in a huge disadvantage. Am I wrong?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:


"No link whatsoever" seems pretty conclusive
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Yes, as in whatever Weiss was doing has nothing to do with michigan cheating. We all know that. You can investigate someone for abusing their spouse and in the process of your investigation also find out they're laundering money. The two offenses are unrelated but it doesn't mean information can't come out about one while investigating the other.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
The information is being presented and handed over by a law firm. It isn't part of an internal investigation. We don't know yet how the outside law firm got access to the information. There's only guesses out there on who they represent/hired them.
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The NCAA wouldn’t look into stolen information, in fact, Michigan welcomed the NCAA investigation on campus which tells the sane people here it’s all Michigan’s doing no matter how much you think a full Bighouse, football recruiting, Jim Harbaugh and staff, and football championships mean to Michigan fans.

Institutional integrity is all that matters to the stodgy codgers that run the University.
 
Across The Field said:
Yes, as in whatever Weiss was doing has nothing to do with michigan cheating. We all know that. You can investigate someone for abusing their spouse and in the process of your investigation also find out they're laundering money. The two offenses are unrelated but it doesn't mean information can't come out about one while investigating the other.
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If there was a link IT WOULDN'T BE "no link whatsoever" you doofus. If they uncovered shit in that investigation, it would be a god damn link to the investigation.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
If there was a link IT WOULDN'T BE "no link whatsoever" you doofus. If they uncovered shit in that investigation, it would be a god damn link to the investigation.
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Holy shit, short bus. Their investigation into Weiss was because he was doing some pretty illegal shit that had nothing to do with michigan cheating. While investigating it, they could turn up evidence (that was unrelated to why they were investigating Weiss) and turn it over because it looks like something that is also potentially a violation, but had no connection with what Weiss was doing. I explained it using a very easy to understand example, I can't help you're too mentally deficient to understand.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
The information is coming from a law firm. This, we know. It was handed over by said law firm. The University has it's own internal legal resources.
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But wouldn’t use it in the case that the FBI let the President know what they found with the spying cheating football staff as independent investigators are used to stop the folks that would then claim cover-up.
 
Huskers4me said:
But wouldn’t use it in the case that the FBI let the President know what they found with the spying cheating football staff as independent investigators are used to stop the folks that would then claim cover-up.
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You wouldn't be able to hide that at a public university. It would be FOIA-able. News people would have had that information within days. Not the content per say, but definatialy that it was a university lead/funded investigation.
 
Across The Field said:
Holy shit, short bus. Their investigation into Weiss was because he was doing some pretty illegal shit that had nothing to do with michigan cheating. While investigating it, they could turn up evidence (that was unrelated to why they were investigating Weiss) and turn it over because it looks like something that is also potentially a violation, but had no connection with what Weiss was doing. I explained it using a very easy to understand example, I can't help you're too mentally deficient to understand.
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"whatsoever" is a all encompassing term, smooth brain. If the investigation into Weiss uncovered these allegations, there would be a connection in that the investigation into Weiss uncovered them. Period.
 
Across The Field said:
Yes, as in whatever Weiss was doing has nothing to do with michigan cheating. We all know that. You can investigate someone for abusing their spouse and in the process of your investigation also find out they're laundering money. The two offenses are unrelated but it doesn't mean information can't come out about one while investigating the other.
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Do you feel like @MAIZEandBLUE09 is a 9 year old texting at the stop sign from the back seat of his mommy’s SUV?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
"whatsoever" is a all encompassing term, smooth brain.
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Yes, the INVESTIGATIONS are unrelated. Finding something during the course of an investigation that has nothing to do with said investigation but points to something else does not now mean those two things are related. Clearly michigan cheating for 3 years has nothing to do with what Weiss was doing (sounds like potentially child porn). I cannot help that you are not smart. Everyone else understands this but you.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
You wouldn't be able to hide that at a public university. It would be FOIA-able. News people would have had that information within days. Not the content per say, but definatialy that it was a university lead/funded investigation.
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I cannot speak to the integrity of Michigan’s leaders, but what FBI agent is going to lose his job over Michigan? You do realize that FBI agents work outside the state they grew up in? The FBI person that found the cheating system could have been from Ohio for all we know.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
"whatsoever" is a all encompassing term, smooth brain. If the investigation into Weiss uncovered these allegations, there would be a connection in that the investigation into Weiss uncovered them. Period.
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Michigan has been tight lipped since this thing broke and you won’t know all the details until the investigation is over.
 
Across The Field said:
Dawand Jones confirmed that they made some changes but obviously couldn't change everything on the fly.

The biggest question I have is, why did michigan commit these violations for years if it wasn't giving them a decided advantage? Why knowingly risk the NCAA investigation if it wasn't making a difference?
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EVERY TEAM, even Ohio State, has a guy whose job it is to try and steal signs. It has already come out on reports that they have found nothing that Harbaugh knew about this and they found zero communication with Harbaugh. (Which I figured was going to be the case, as it makes no sense if someone high up in Michigan knew, that'd they allow him to pay for tickets in his own name and send public Venmo payments). So the order to do this wasn't coming from the top.

As I said at the beginning. What this guy did is wrong and he should be punished for it. If they find anything that ties Harbaugh to it, he should be fired. With everyone coming out and saying they knew about the guy, the video taping of signs wouldn't help at all, as teams are going to change each and every game and ESPECIALLY against Michigan.

Last, but not least, if the signs were such a tremendous advantage. I'm guessing they would have been paying the guy more than 55k. You can work at McDonald's and get paid more.
 
Across The Field said:
Yes, the INVESTIGATIONS are unrelated.
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No shit Sherlock, (A) the FBI is doing one that involves Federal Crimes and (B) a hired (By Michigan) independent investigator(s) is doing the other one - NCAA rule’s violations. And there’s still no way the NCAA uses stolen computer information just like there’s no way Michigan allows the a NCAA undeterred investigation on campus unless they (Michigan - President - Regents) already know all the answers themselves.
 
Across The Field said:
It's been confirmed that the two investigations aren't related in that the cheating scandal has nothing to do with Weiss and what he was doing (which honestly is sounding really fucked up). It's not been confirmed that the information regarding the hard drives didn't get discovered during the Weiss investigation.
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The report states there is no connection between the Weiss and Sign Stealing investigations

If the information came from the hard drives in the Matt Weiss case -- they wouldn't be releasing a statement like that.
 
Huskers4me said:
Do you feel like @MAIZEandBLUE09 is a 9 year old texting at the stop sign from the back seat of his mommy’s SUV?
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No, but I do feel it is quite odd for a Nebraska to be so enamored by bad things happening to Michigan. Do you still have self induced emotional wounds from 1997-8? I promise that one day Nebraska will beat Michigan … keep the faith.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
The report states there is no connection between the Weiss and Sign Stealing investigations

If the information came from the hard drives in the Matt Weiss case -- they wouldn't be releasing a statement like that.
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Yes. One investigation is surrounding michigan cheating. The other investigation is surrounding whatever super illegal shit Weiss was doing. Finding information about one of them that does not pertain to that specific investigation, but pertains to another, does not mean the investigations are linked. They were looking for specific things in the Weiss case, discovered the hard drives and turned them over. That does not mean those two investigations are now linked. I provided a perfectly coherent example of how this easily can happen.
 
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