Michigan’s Sherone Moore to be named head coach

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

We're talking 2 weeks, not 2 months, and he was announced almost immediately. Maybe Moore will work but I think they were thinking very short term with this move and not long term.

So question for you. Was OAM thinking short term when they gave Ryan Day the reigns?

 

[osubuckeye89]

Uh oh, Michigan is going to start buying players.

lol

 

[Across The Field]

Moore was the top recruiter on the staff. And the OL didn't take a big step back -- it just wasn't as good as the prior two years (Which won the top OL in the country). We still had 3 1st team All-B1G Offensive Lineman and Zak Zinter was 1st team All-American.

As far as who he puts together for his staff -- I have no clue. Hopefully Clinksdale is one -- he is another great recruiter. Him and Moore were our top two recruiters.

As far as being risky -- it is what it is. Day had zero HC experience, so was it risky for OAM to hire him? I like the hire. Moore played in the P5 level at Oklahoma, so he knows what it takes. If there is one area Michigan has to continue to be great, it is the OL and Moore knows that position.

Honestly though -- Michigan won a national title when many of the realistic fans never thought we'd see it again with the current landscape of CFB. Michigan can struggle for a decade and it won't change and the smile still won't leave my face, unless OAM gets another. Then we have to get another one.

Day had 15 years of coaching experience before becoming OSU's OC, and that included time in the NFL, so it's not exactly apples to apples.

All I know is michigan went from averaging 5.2 YPC in 2021, to 5.6 YPC in 2022, and then dropped by over a full YPC to 4.5 in 2023. That's a noticeable decline considering Corum and Edwards played every game. They're not going to have a dynamic passing offense and they're losing their bellcow RB and most of their current OL. He's gonna need to hit the OC hire out of the park.

 

[Across The Field]

So question for you. Was OAM thinking short term when they gave Ryan Day the reigns?

Day was already named the successor to Urban well before he retired, and they also knew Urban was for sure retiring a month before the season even ended. Urban also didn't take key coaches with him to retirement.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Day had 15 years of coaching experience before becoming OSU's OC, and that included time in the NFL, so it's not exactly apples to apples.

All I know is michigan went from averaging 5.2 YPC in 2021, to 5.6 YPC in 2022, and then dropped by over a full YPC to 4.5 in 2023. That's a noticeable decline considering Corum and Edwards played every game. They're not going to have a dynamic passing offense and they're losing their bellcow RB and most of their current OL. He's gonna need to hit the OC hire out of the park.

It's pretty literally almost the exact same amount of time coaching for both.

Day got his first non grad assistant job in 2006, and became HC in 2019 (13 years) after being the acting head coach in 2018. Moore got his first non GA job in 2012, and became HC in 2024 (12 years) after being acting head coach in 2023.....I'm not sure you could make a more exact argument of Ohio State promoting Day to Moore being promoted at Michigan. They're creepily the same.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

lol

Not surprising at all. Michigan's administration has been archaic forever. This is no surprise. It is why I laugh when people say Michigan in the 8 or 9 years Harbaugh was here.

We get the kids whose parents have education at the top of their list of wants for their kid. If you look at the HS GPA of every 5 star kid we signed -- every single one were honor roll kids in HS. Donovan Peoples-Jones had over a 4.0 in HS. Peppers and Dax Hill both had 3.9 GPA's in HS. Those are the type of kids UM gets. Our Admin KILLS our chances to get many of them.

It is why I can't believe we won a national title with the landscape of CFB right now.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Day was already named the successor to Urban well before he retired, and they also knew Urban was for sure retiring a month before the season even ended. Urban also didn't take key coaches with him to retirement.

What does that have to do with it? He had zero HC experience. So if UM announced it a month before the season ended -- it would make it a good hire by UM?

 

[osubuckeye89]

What does that have to do with it? He had zero HC experience. So if UM announced it a month before the season ended -- it would make it a good hire by UM?

Hiring anyone with zero real HC experience is always a pretty big risk.

We've seen time and time again guys who are great coordinators totally flop as HCs

 

[Across The Field]

It's pretty literally almost the exact same amount of time coaching for both.

Day got his first non grad assistant job in 2006, and became HC in 2019 (13 years) after being the acting head coach in 2018. Moore got his first non GA job in 2012, and became HC in 2024 (12 years) after being acting head coach in 2023.....I'm not sure you could make a more exact argument of Ohio State promoting Day to Moore being promoted at Michigan. They're creepily the same.

You know, I'd rather not think about 2012 being 12 years ago, thank you for not being rude.

 

[Across The Field]

What does that have to do with it? He had zero HC experience. So if UM announced it a month before the season ended -- it would make it a good hire by UM?

I think it definitely would've helped. Again, not only was OSU's transition plan known well ahead of time, but Day also wasn't needing to replace the most important coaches on the staff. His OC had already been there for 3 years coaching with him, and his DC was an NFL coach that Day knew from his days coaching with him with the 49ers. Day had his entire staff already assembled in early January, which he was able to do largely because the transition was announced so early.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Day had 15 years of coaching experience before becoming OSU's OC, and that included time in the NFL, so it's not exactly apples to apples.

All I know is michigan went from averaging 5.2 YPC in 2021, to 5.6 YPC in 2022, and then dropped by over a full YPC to 4.5 in 2023. That's a noticeable decline considering Corum and Edwards played every game. They're not going to have a dynamic passing offense and they're losing their bellcow RB and most of their current OL. He's gonna need to hit the OC hire out of the park.

The situations are exactly the same. Yet you are trying to make excuses for OAM's hire and questioning UM's.

And what you don't seem to grasp is -- Michigan is NOT a program who is going to be national title contender every year. We don't recruit at that level, as you just saw posted, Michigan isn't going to buy players, so we are going to lose out on a TON of kids (most recently Dante Moore and Bryce Underwood). Unless big changes are made in the administration, you will NEVER see UM buy players out of the portal either. UM helps the kids on the team find NIL deals and they have programs set up to raise money for players who can leave to the NFL -- that money is split with all the players returning. Last year it was $700,000 split by like 30+ guys.

These are the reasons why UM winning the title was so huge for the fans. I can tell you right now -- I didn't expect it. My goal is to try and beat OAM. I don't care how we fare in the next 3, 4, 5 years, as we got to the mountain top and won it all.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I think it definitely would've helped. Again, not only was OSU's transition plan known well ahead of time, but Day also wasn't needing to replace the most important coaches on the staff. His OC had already been there for 3 years coaching with him, and his DC was an NFL coach that Day knew from his days coaching with him with the 49ers. Day had his entire staff already assembled in early January, which he was able to do largely because the transition was announced so early.

You are missing the point. Day still had zero head coaching experience. And I'm going out on a limb and saying -- UM was preparing for this. Harbaugh was preparing Moore. The dream of going to the NFL wasn't anything knew with Harbaugh (as he said, there is no Lombardi Trophy in CFB). Moore had 4 games where he was running the show for UM last year, including huge games against PSU and OAM.

The staff part isn't ideal, but again, it is what it is. He will get to bring in whoever he wants. And I can tell you -- I am not concerned in the least bit. I think we win 8-9 games next year, unless we have some true freshman come in and be studs, like the Gatorade Ohio Player of the Year RB Jordan Marshall. If he comes in and is a stud -- it could change our offense having Edwards and him. Defensively -- I'm not worried about -- we have a ton of talent returning. We also play an absolutely stacked schedule, so 8-9 wins is what i expect.

 

[Across The Field]

The situations are exactly the same. Yet you are trying to make excuses for OAM's hire and questioning UM's.

And what you don't seem to grasp is -- Michigan is NOT a program who is going to be national title contender every year. We don't recruit at that level, as you just saw posted, Michigan isn't going to buy players, so we are going to lose out on a TON of kids (most recently Dante Moore and Bryce Underwood). Unless big changes are made in the administration, you will NEVER see UM buy players out of the portal either. UM helps the kids on the team find NIL deals and they have programs set up to raise money for players who can leave to the NFL -- that money is split with all the players returning. Last year it was $700,000 split by like 30+ guys.

These are the reasons why UM winning the title was so huge for the fans. I can tell you right now -- I didn't expect it. My goal is to try and beat OAM. I don't care how we fare in the next 3, 4, 5 years, as we got to the mountain top and won it all.

WTF are you talking about "making excuses"? Their two situations were quite different.

Also, the thing you don't seem to grasp is that every other blueblood in the nation feels like they can be contending for a title every year, except for evidently you guys. If you can't compete from an NIL level, that's 100% your own program's decision, and frankly it's remarkably stupid. OSU is nowhere near the top in NIL funds; both Judkins and Downs could've gotten more elsewhere. You have to at least take a swing though.

 

[Across The Field]

You are missing the point. Day still had zero head coaching experience. And I'm going out on a limb and saying -- UM was preparing for this. Harbaugh was preparing Moore. The dream of going to the NFL wasn't anything knew with Harbaugh (as he said, there is no Lombardi Trophy in CFB). Moore had 4 games where he was running the show for UM last year, including huge games against PSU and OAM.

The staff part isn't ideal, but again, it is what it is. He will get to bring in whoever he wants. And I can tell you -- I am not concerned in the least bit. I think we win 8-9 games next year, unless we have some true freshman come in and be studs, like the Gatorade Ohio Player of the Year RB Jordan Marshall. If he comes in and is a stud -- it could change our offense having Edwards and him. Defensively -- I'm not worried about -- we have a ton of talent returning. We also play an absolutely stacked schedule, so 8-9 wins is what i expect.

I'm not missing the point, I understood Day's experience when he became the coach. I'm saying he had plenty of time to plan for the day Urban retired, and had his staff fully assembled almost immediately after the Rose Bowl was over.

Also, go out on whatever limb you want, but does that mean Harbaugh was flatout lying when he told Warde Manuel he was done interviewing for NFL jobs? Seems like his leaving was quite the surprise if you take him at his word.

Tell you what, if Moore goes out and goes 13-1 this year and obliterates the Big Ten the way Day did in his first year, I'll call it a great hire.

 

[ericd7633]

We're talking 2 weeks, not 2 months, and he was announced almost immediately. Maybe Moore will work but I think they were thinking very short term with this move and not long term.

Guess we'll find out. I thought it was a great hire. His track record is great. Who would be a reasonable hire in your opinion?

 

[ericd7633]

I think it definitely would've helped. Again, not only was OSU's transition plan known well ahead of time, but Day also wasn't needing to replace the most important coaches on the staff. His OC had already been there for 3 years coaching with him, and his DC was an NFL coach that Day knew from his days coaching with him with the 49ers. Day had his entire staff already assembled in early January, which he was able to do largely because the transition was announced so early.

That's not Moore or Michigan's fault though.

 

[Across The Field]

Guess we'll find out. I thought it was a great hire. His track record is great. Who would be a reasonable hire in your opinion?

Well evidently it's a moot point, as I'm now being told Moore was being groomed to be HC.

However, I personally would've started with either Leipold or Klieman. Both have ties to the B1G footprint and have outstanding track records. I would've absolutely made a call to Jeff Brohm, regardless of his ties to Louisville. He's had a great last 3 years between Purdue and Louisville.

Those 3 immediately jump to my mind. I'm sure there are more if I actually look into it more.

 

[Across The Field]

That's not Moore or Michigan's fault though.

I've never tried assigning blame to either of them. My point was Moore's situation isn't similar to Day's in this regard. Day knew well ahead of time what was going to happen and he was able to plan accordingly.

 

[cwerph]

I am the world's worst predictor, so I am calling Michigan 12-0 next year in the regular season.

Take it FWIW.

 

[ericd7633]

Well evidently it's a moot point, as I'm now being told Moore was being groomed to be HC.

However, I personally would've started with either Leipold or Klieman. Both have ties to the B1G footprint and have outstanding track records. I would've absolutely made a call to Jeff Brohm, regardless of his ties to Louisville. He's had a great last 3 years between Purdue and Louisville.

Those 3 immediately jump to my mind. I'm sure there are more if I actually look into it more.

I also think that was the case too. Part of why a guy like Gattis left.

Liepold and Klieman are obviously good coaches, but Michigan is a different beast. I don't think any of them would be considered a home run hire. I'd personally go with Moore over them.