Michigan’s Sherone Moore to be named head coach

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That doesn't always work out though.

Nothing “always works”.

 

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Stop it. Judkins was going to the highest bidder, period, and essentially said as much. Same with Downs. If it wasn't the money -- Downs would have 1000% signed with Georgia, where he would have made plenty of money. OAM made him an offer he couldn't refuse. (Hence the OAM moniker you've earned)

And it isn't the UM football program's fault with NIL -- it is the administration. We couldn't offer Downs if we wanted to and definitely couldn't offer Judkins. We can offer grad transfers who have a clean academic slate. We can offer guys who haven't earned credits towards their major, because UM isn't accepting credits from other schools. Been that way forever. It is why you see us get so many grad transfers. Those are the guys we can sign.

You are truly clueless. Show me your sources that say OSU has the most NIL money and offered the most to Downs and Judkins.

 

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I'm not sure how Moore will do for the record, I think he could succeed i'm not gonna say he's destined for failure. It's definitely not a Rich Rod type situation. I do think the first few years might not be what Michigan fans want them to be, 2023 set the bar as high as it could go, but I kinda get the feeling they might be ok with that after getting their title. Think he will get time as long as he doesn't totally nose dive.

Yep, new coaches are a total crap shoot. The Smarts are rare. People at UGA wanted Herman who was at Houston. We got Smart, Texas got Herman. Look at the wilderness UF and UTjr have been in for decades, running through coaches left and right.

When we fired Richt I was really afraid we made a mistake. Here is a guy who had won multiple SECCs, ran a clean program, awesome person. But, he couldn't win the big one. Sometimes it works out.

Here's the thing. Even if Harbaugh comes back next year, I'm not sure any CFB fan really knows what is about to happen with these super leagues and 12 team playoffs. Things are about to get WAY different in the college world. The Michigan/Ohio State game determined our national title this year. There's almost no situation where that can be the case next year. Make it to the top 12, and you're in. What happens in the conference is becoming more and more irrelevant. Win your 10 games, get your playoff spot.

To that extent, there's a ton of recent examples of big name teams promoting coordinators successfully in quick work after a huge name left their program. Day at OSU, Lincoln Riley at OU (who didn't even have a wiki page with a photo when he got the job), Freeman at ND and there's a ton of examples of big name teams poaching top coordinators to be their next head coach (Oregon just took Lanning from Georgia). Hell, even Smart was a first time HC at Georgia. So IMO, THAT is actually the way to go almost always unless you have a Harbaugh sitting out there.

Can they fail? Sure. But more often than not I think the coordinator picks do actually really well. What fails regularly in this sport is going out and poaching a big name from somewhere. It changes the entire culture, often requires an entirely new roster look and most programs don't have the time for that to work out. So many programs have failed trying to do that, including Michigan. A&M comes to mind. I'm sure Miami thought they did something when they poached Cristobal from Oregon. I think what Michigan did was the right move 100% of the time with no Harbaugh out there serendipitously waiting to be hired by Michigan after his first NFL go wasn't working.

 

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Day did great with Urban's recruits. How has Day done since then?

Urban owned Harbaugh. Day owned Harbaugh until he decided to duck The Game to avoid being fired and then concocted an elaborate cheating scandal. Never lost more than 2 games in a season and has the top winning percentage against top 25 teams in the nation. Oh, he also hasn't had to concoct a massive cheating scandal to be successful.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Urban owned Harbaugh. Day owned Harbaugh until he decided to duck The Game to avoid being fired and then concocted an elaborate cheating scandal. Never lost more than 2 games in a season and has the top winning percentage against top 25 teams in the nation. Oh, he also hasn't had to concoct a massive cheating scandal to be successful.

One of the best things about our national title run and the back-loaded schedule we played, is that it completely destroyed this narrative.

 

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One of the best things about our national title run and the back-loaded schedule we played, is that it completely destroyed this narrative.

It didn't in even the slightest bit for a number of reasons but ok

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

It didn't in even the slightest bit for a number of reasons but ok

Sure it did. Weird that we required it to be successful but were successful without the guy doing it, or a head coach in place for half the season. Something that is required seems like it might impact games after it's gone....

 

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Sure it did. Weird that we required it to be successful but were successful without the guy doing it, or a head coach in place for half the season. Something that is required seems like it might impact games after it's gone....

It didn't. It's why the NCAA is still investigating. You were finally successful with by far your best team in program history (which was only the 16th best team of the CFP era) in the weakest year of CFB in over a decade, while barely eeking out wins against any team with a pulse. The fact you beat a CJ Stroud team in Columbus by 23 but (with your best team ever) barely escaped a Kyle McCord team at home by 6 is all the evidence anyone needs.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

It didn't. It's why the NCAA is still investigating. You were finally successful with by far your best team in program history (which was only the 16th best team of the CFP era) in the weakest year of CFB in over a decade, while barely eeking out wins against any team with a pulse. The fact you beat a CJ Stroud team in Columbus by 23 but (with your best team ever) barely escaped a Kyle McCord team at home by 6 is all the evidence anyone needs.

The NCAA is investigating to see if any violations occurred. That's kinda how investigations work? An investigation is not evidence of a violation.

We beat CJ Stroud by 20+ because late in the 4th Ohio State decided to allow two back to back 75 yard runs. That'll do it every time. That isn't evidence of anything but Ohio State's defensive incompetence -- specifically with whoever #12 was.

And not to mention, Ohio State admitted they changed altered their huddles/signals specifically for the Michigan game that year. Which hilariously puts this notion to bed by their own admission.

 

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The NCAA is investigating to see if any violations occurred. That's kinda how investigations work? An investigation is not evidence of a violation.

We beat CJ Stroud by 20+ because late in the 4th Ohio State decided to allow two back to back 75 yard runs. That'll do it every time. That isn't evidence of anything but Ohio State's defensive incompetence -- specifically with whoever #12 was.

And not to mention, Ohio State admitted they changed altered their huddles/signals specifically for the Michigan game that year. Which hilariously puts this notion to bed by their own admission.

Yeah the NCAA doesn't investigate teams for no reason. It's why michigan is the only team currently being investigated.

Stroud shredded everyone except, somehow, for michigan, the same defense that was destroyed by a mediocre TCU team (the worst team to make a CFP Final, followed closely by Washington). Stroud then destroyed an elite Georgia defense and is now the NFL ROY. What a weird coincidence.

Also, no, OSU didn't admit they changed their signals specifically for michigan. They tried to change some of them but obviously couldn't change all of them in just one week.

Far too many coincidences for an otherwise decent-at-best program to suddenly become elite.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Yeah the NCAA doesn't investigate teams for no reason. It's why michigan is the only team currently being investigated.

Stroud shredded everyone except, somehow, for michigan, the same defense that was destroyed by a mediocre TCU team (the worst team to make a CFP Final, followed closely by Washington). Stroud then destroyed an elite Georgia defense and is now the NFL ROY. What a weird coincidence.

Also, no, OSU didn't admit they changed their signals specifically for michigan. They tried to change some of them but obviously couldn't change all of them in just one week.

Far too many coincidences for an otherwise decent-at-best program to suddenly become elite.

There's a grey area here. The NCAA got wind of it, needs to determine what actually happened, if any of it violated the letter of the law and will likely address some of it via rule changes in the next year or two (depending on how long this takes). That's what is happening here.

CJ shredded everyone in 2022 -- including Michigan. He threw for almost 350 yards on us and Ohio State probably would have scored more if it weren't for an excellent pass breakup in the end zone that would have been a TD, and a late interception on a terrible decision by CJ. That's two times where OSU was in the red zone but failed to get a TD. Those combined with another pick, prevented the kind of scoring that OSU was used to. It had nothing to do with signs.

Ohio State football staff member says OSU 'changed' signs ahead of 2022 Michigan game

The Ohio State football program allegedly changed its signs in the days leading up to its game against Michigan at home in 2022.

www.dispatch.com

Ohio State changed their signs. Hard stop.

 

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There's a grey area here. The NCAA got wind of it, needs to determine what actually happened, if any of it violated the letter of the law and will likely address some of it via rule changes in the next year or two (depending on how long this takes). That's what is happening here.

CJ shredded everyone in 2022 -- including Michigan. He threw for almost 350 yards on us and Ohio State probably would have scored more if it weren't for an excellent pass breakup in the end zone that would have been a TD, and a late interception on a terrible decision by CJ. That's two times where OSU was in the red zone but failed to get a TD. Those combined with another pick, prevented the kind of scoring that OSU was used to. It had nothing to do with signs.

Ohio State football staff member says OSU 'changed' signs ahead of 2022 Michigan game

The Ohio State football program allegedly changed its signs in the days leading up to its game against Michigan at home in 2022.

www.dispatch.com

Ohio State changed their signs. Hard stop.

LOL "hard stop". They "changed things up" but that wasn't scrapping every single signal they had, dumbass. Otherwise Stallions wouldn't have had any reason to be on the sidelines for the game, yet there he was all throughout barking at the coordinators. Again, not a coincidence. We knew michigan was cheating, like the rest of the B1G, we just didn't know how until midway through 2023 when it came to light. There's no gray area at all, michigan cheated.

Again, it's not a coincidence that OSU scored nearly twice as many points against an elite UGA defense as they did against a decent michigan defense. It's also not a coincidence that a significantly worse 2023 OSU offense managed to score more points than the 2022 offense with the game on the road and a garbage QB. Just doesn't add up.

 

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LOL "hard stop". They "changed things up" but that wasn't scrapping every single signal they had, dumbass. Otherwise Stallions wouldn't have had any reason to be on the sidelines for the game, yet there he was all throughout barking at the coordinators. Again, not a coincidence. We knew michigan was cheating, like the rest of the B1G, we just didn't know how until midway through 2023 when it came to light. There's no gray area at all, michigan cheated.

Again, it's not a coincidence that OSU scored nearly twice as many points against an elite UGA defense as they did against a decent michigan defense. It's also not a coincidence that a significantly worse 2023 OSU offense managed to score more points than the 2022 offense with the game on the road and a garbage QB. Just doesn't add up.

So you think Michigan was so good that we were able to steal enough signs to overcome Ohio State changing them and still beat OSU by 3 scores because of it........lol. k.

Ohio State threw for 350 yards. They didn't score because of excellent plays by michigan.

 

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So you think Michigan was so good that we were able to steal enough signs to still beat OSU by 4 scores....lol. k.

Ohio State threw for 350 yards. They didn't score because of excellent plays by michigan.

22 points isn't 4 scores, but ok. Yeah, the sign stealing played a major part in how michigan was able to defend OSU's offense. Crashing both safeties in the RZ on what's normally a passing down for us when we decided to run it is as clear of an indication that Stallions made a major impact. Stroud was an elite QB who still had overall good stats against michigan, but they would've obviously been closer to his Georgia stats if michigan didn't know every play we were running. You guys cheated, and it's why the NCAA is investigating you. This isn't difficult to understand. Now it's just a matter of if you destroyed enough evidence to avoid massive sanctions. Isn't that why you fired your LB coach? Destroying evidence? What another weird coincidence.

 

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22 points isn't 4 scores, but ok. Yeah, the sign stealing played a major part in how michigan was able to defend OSU's offense. Crashing both safeties in the RZ on what's normally a passing down for us when we decided to run it is as clear of an indication that Stallions made a major impact. Stroud was an elite QB who still had overall good stats against michigan, but they would've obviously been closer to his Georgia stats if michigan didn't know every play we were running. You guys cheated, and it's why the NCAA is investigating you. This isn't difficult to understand.

I edited it, but you were too quick.

Michigan brings pressure. That's how our defense operates.

Sign stealing is legal. Ohio State changed their signs and lost, and then lost after Michigan fired our sign stealer. This is a lame excuse for losing a game outright.

 

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I edited it, but you were too quick.

Michigan brings pressure. That's how our defense operates.

Sign stealing is legal. Ohio State changed their signs and lost, and then lost after Michigan fired our sign stealer. This is a lame excuse for losing a game outright.

Sign stealing is legal. So is seeking asylum but only if you've done it legally, AOC.

You guys did this for several years because you had to. If you didn't, why would you have done it at all? The question no michigan fan has the balls to answer.

 

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Sign stealing is legal. So is seeking asylum but only if you've done it legally, AOC.

You guys did this for several years because you had to. If you didn't, why would you have done it at all? The question no michigan fan has the balls to answer.

I've actually answered this many times. Stallions had a job he was hired to do. Instead of spending hours and hours combing through video to get the same information, he hired people to make his job easier. That's it. He was using a shortcut to the same end.

 

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I've actually answered this many times. Stallions had a job he was hired to do. Instead of spending hours and hours combing through video to get the same information, he hired people to make his job easier. That's it. He was using a shortcut to the same end.

So Harbaugh is such a shitty coach that he had a guy doing that right under his nose for 2.5 years? That's what you're going with? Of course he also employed a pedophile and another guy in major trouble with the feds who also might be a pedophile so I guess it's possible.

If that's all it was though, your rogue lone wolf thing, why did you have to fire your LB coach for destroying evidence? You'd already fired Stallions and made him the fall guy for everything, why was there a need to further destroy evidence if what you're saying is actually true?

 

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I've actually answered this many times. Stallions had a job he was hired to do. Instead of spending hours and hours combing through video to get the same information, he hired people to make his job easier. That's it. He was using a shortcut to the same end.

Combing through WHAT video?

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Combing through WHAT video?

Well, for Ohio state as an example, 11 prior broadcasts of Ohio state games and the provided all 22 tapes of all 11 games.