Do FSU & Clemson Have A Landing Spot?

Wild Turkey said:
www.saturdaydownsouth.com

Hayes: Source says FSU's advisors 'doing them a disservice' in fight to leave ACC

A Big Ten source told Matt Hayes that FSU is getting bad advice in its public attempt to leave the ACC and find a new conference.
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Sounds like the B1G REALLY doesn't like how FSU is handling themselves:

When asked Tuesday if Florida State’s process of leaving the ACC would end with a spot in the Big Ten, a Big Ten source told Saturday Down South, “I don’t know who’s advising (FSU) right now, but they’re doing them a disservice.”

“They’re showing themselves to not be a dependable partner,” a second Big Ten source told Saturday Down South. “At the end of the day, you have to trust your partners. You have to know everyone is zeroed in on the same goal, the same future.”

Over the past 3 months, Big Ten sources have told Saturday Down South that FSU wasn’t a “fit” with the league or a dependable “partner” with its public extraction from the ACC.


Now lets put this in perspective you have second tier media person at best talking with second tier people employed by B1G entities (which may have agendas as well) making these comments and reporting them. However this pass the smell test and common sense would tell you that FSU is making huge mistakes in how they are handling the situation.
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I don't think they would consider the B12 anyway, but that's totally out at this point. The B12 isn't going to bring them in just to see them jump to the P2 at the first chance. And any GOR they would sign doesn't mean anything. I mean would you do a pinky swear and make them "really" mean it this time?

I think the general football fan population, and the 2nd tier press looking for clicks, is pushing all of this. I guarantee you the P2 want to get settled in with their new schools, their new contracts, the House ramifications, NIL, portal, etc. The House ramifications have to be keeping their entire AD busy right now. Neither are spending time thinking about FSU and Clemson.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't think they would consider the B12 anyway, but that's totally out at this point. The B12 isn't going to bring them in just to see them jump to the P2 at the first chance. And any GOR they would sign doesn't mean anything. I mean would you do a pinky swear and make them "really" mean it this time?

I think the general football fan population, and the 2nd tier press looking for clicks, is pushing all of this. I guarantee you the P2 want to get settled in with their new schools, their new contracts, the House ramifications, NIL, portal, etc. The House ramifications have to be keeping their entire AD busy right now. Neither are spending time thinking about FSU and Clemson.
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I think it depends on if they get out of the ACC agreement scott-free or end up buying themselves out at a considerable amount of money. If they get out of it with just legal fees then I think the B12 will pass but if they have to buy themselves out of the ACC GOR then I think they would take a chance because even if they bolt the B12 gets paid plus there is always the chance a P2 opportunity never comes.

Note: Highly unlikely FSU gets out of the GOR without paying the value of the agreement but if they do then GORs aren't worth the paper they are written on and it also gives conferences the potential out to kick teams out as well. At that point shit gets really interesting.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Note: Highly unlikely FSU gets out of the GOR without paying the value of the agreement but if they do then GORs aren't worth the paper they are written on and it also gives conferences the potential out to kick teams out as well. At that point shit gets really interesting.
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You think that will ever happen?
 
Deep Creek said:
You think that will ever happen?
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Not any time soon but money makes people do weird things and if teams can leave with no consequences the time will come when the really big dogs will want a bigger slice or threaten to form an even more elite conference than the current P2.

So if Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, Penn State, and ND decide to form an alliance separate from a conference where do you think the money goes? At that point conferences will start jettisoning dead weight quickly to stop it.

We are years away from something like that happening but if GORs are worthless it becomes a real possibility.
 
ralphiewvu said:
ESPN is still reupping the ACC contract imo. They’d be pretty stupid not too.
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They certainly are going to voluntarily pay more for the ACC, or pay more for FSU/Clemson in the SEC.

And, I'm guessing the FSU fans are a little less confident about the B1G.

Imagine thinking that the SEC/B1G would ever get involved with either team before they are totally clear of the ACC. Yes, i am sure there have been some back channel feelers, but the idea they have a guaranteed seat in the B1G is absurd.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Not any time soon but money makes people do weird things and if teams can leave with no consequences the time will come when the really big dogs will want a bigger slice or threaten to form an even more elite conference than the current P2.

So if Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, Penn State, and ND decide to form an alliance separate from a conference where do you think the money goes? At that point conferences will start jettisoning dead weight quickly to stop it.

We are years away from something like that happening but if GORs are worthless it becomes a real possibility.
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The only way this happens is if the conferences dissolve and go super league. The SEC by rule/law can't get rid of original members.

I really don't understand the mentality of those who think they make more money consolidating the best teams and kicking everyone else to the curb.

- The sport is popular because there are 132 teams and on any given Saturday 60+ stadiums are full or having fans in them, with tailgates all over campus. Getting rid of 66% of your fans and teams isn't a recipe for success.

- Which commissioner gives up their job? Sankey or Tony Petitti? The answer is neither commissioner will do that. Nor will the B1G or the SEC give up the power they have ... their cultures are different, what is important to them is different.

I've been typing this for years and you guys just ignore it.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
They certainly are going to voluntarily pay more for the ACC, or pay more for FSU/Clemson in the SEC.

And, I'm guessing the FSU fans are a little less confident about the B1G.

Imagine thinking that the SEC/B1G would ever get involved with either team before they are totally clear of the ACC. Yes, i am sure there have been some back channel feelers, but the idea they have a guaranteed seat in the B1G is absurd.
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While I don’t think anything’s been guaranteed for FSU, I do agree back channel feelers were put out and there’s at least some interest from one or both the P2. I have a hard time believing FSU would have continued on this path if not.

ClemU on the other hand I think they need UNC as a partner to have a chance to join the SEC. As I have stated throughout this they aren’t getting invited into the B1G but there have been rumors that them paired with UNC may get support for SEC admission.
 
ralphiewvu said:
While I don’t think anything’s been guaranteed for FSU, I do agree back channel feelers were put out and there’s at least some interest from one or both the P2. I have a hard time believing FSU would have continued on this path if not.

ClemU on the other hand I think they need UNC as a partner to have a chance to join the SEC. As I have stated throughout this they aren’t getting invited into the B1G but there have been rumors that them paired with UNC may get support for SEC admission.
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UNC can't go without NCSU, by law. Not happening.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
The only way this happens is if the conferences dissolve and go super league. The SEC by rule/law can't get rid of original members.

I really don't understand the mentality of those who think they make more money consolidating the best teams and kicking everyone else to the curb.

- The sport is popular because there are 132 teams and on any given Saturday 60+ stadiums are full or having fans in them, with tailgates all over campus. Getting rid of 66% of your fans and teams isn't a recipe for success.

- Which commissioner gives up their job? Sankey or Tony Petitti? The answer is neither commissioner will do that. Nor will the B1G or the SEC give up the power they have ... their cultures are different, what is important to them is different.

I've been typing this for years and you guys just ignore it.
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I’m not ignoring it just pointing out that if GORs are proven to be worthless then things get very interesting and greed will start entering the equation. For example if Bama could increase their payout by 50% and leave Auburn scrambling like Oklahoma State you don’t think they seriously consider it?

That kind of move would panic everyone and with the radical changes it’s not out of the question this becomes a possibility down the road. Ten years ago we would have told people they were crazy if they had predicted NIL and the portal.
 
Wild Turkey said:
I’m not ignoring it just pointing out that if GORs are proven to be worthless then things get very interesting and greed will start entering the equation. For example if Bama could increase their payout by 50% and leave Auburn scrambling like Oklahoma State you don’t think they seriously consider it?

That kind of move would panic everyone and with the radical changes it’s not out of the question this becomes a possibility down the road. Ten years ago we would have told people they were crazy if they had predicted NIL and the portal.
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They can't. Vandy is not protected from being kicked out of the SEC by the GOR. It's in the Conference By-laws.

And, no, I don't think that Alabama would think it can increase its value by kicking out other members, or forcing them to take less. That weakens that conference that will ultimately make it worth less.

Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
They can't. Vandy is not protected from being kicked out of the SEC by the GOR. It's in the Conference By-laws.

And, no, I don't think that Alabama would think it can increase its value by kicking out other members, or forcing them to take less. That weakens that conference that will ultimately make it worth less.

Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
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Ah come on counselor. Like the drink bird says, no one could have predicted the NIL/Portal issues 10 years ago. At least not to this degree. He’s not just “coming up with stuff”. Many have indicated the end game is two super conferences. Those may already exist. Question that remains are they the end game size.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
UNC can't go without NCSU, by law. Not happening.
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I know you are the legal beagle but is that legal? I understand they make it very hard for UNC to leave but it’s not law breaking if they do is it?
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
They can't. Vandy is not protected from being kicked out of the SEC by the GOR. It's in the Conference By-laws.

And, no, I don't think that Alabama would think it can increase its value by kicking out other members, or forcing them to take less. That weakens that conference that will ultimately make it worth less.

Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
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This is what I am saying that without a GOR Alabama and Georgia could leave at any time they wanted. If it came down to changing the By-Laws so that the league could kick out say Vandy and Missouri and if they didn't we could see an exit of 4 of the top teams, during a new contract negotiation, then I believe that starts happening.

I'm not saying this will happen, I'm not saying it wouldn't come without legal challenges but weirder stuff is happening right now to the point that say 10 years down the road this isn't out of the realm of possibility.
 
Deep Creek said:
Ah come on counselor. Like the drink bird says, no one could have predicted the NIL/Portal issues 10 years ago. At least not to this degree. He’s not just “coming up with stuff”. Many have indicated the end game is two super conferences. Those may already exist. Question that remains are they the end game size.
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I don't think the super conference thing will ever happen. That's the coming up with stuff. And even if the super conference is a thing, it has nothing to do with Bama demanding unequal shares in the SEC.

X is dumb. I have never seen it more dumb with takes on expansion and the super conference.
 
ralphiewvu said:
I know you are the legal beagle but is that legal? I understand they make it very hard for UNC to leave but it’s not law breaking if they do is it?
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Totally legal. The universities are governed by a Board of Governors. They make the rules, not the individual schools. The UNC university system has final say and right now they say UNC and NCSU stay together.
 
Wild Turkey said:
This is what I am saying that without a GOR Alabama and Georgia could leave at any time they wanted. If it came down to changing the By-Laws so that the league could kick out say Vandy and Missouri and if they didn't we could see an exit of 4 of the top teams, during a new contract negotiation, then I believe that starts happening.

I'm not saying this will happen, I'm not saying it wouldn't come without legal challenges but weirder stuff is happening right now to the point that say 10 years down the road this isn't out of the realm of possibility.
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It would take too many have-nots to change the by-laws, so that isn't happening.

I just think too many people don't stop to think what makes CFB great. It's not a super conference. This is why the super league soccer thing didn't work, and won't work with CFB.
 
Deep Creek said:
Don’t you think greed entered the equation a long time ago? Or, at least the pursuit of greed?
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But, you don't kill the goose to get the golden egg. Sure there have been changes all about money. Everyone gets that. But the changes people keep coming up with would kill the goose. No one is going to do that.
 
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