More Michigan Cheating

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couldn't agree more. But @WhosYourDawggy claims these are the worst violations to ever happen. "level 8" "this stuff is nonsense".

"but everyone agrees it's tainted" lol
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
They ruined CFB this year with conference expansion and the 12 team playoff. Nothing means anything anymore. Michigan and Ohio State could meet undefeated again and it means nothing. Both are guaranteed locks for the playoff.
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"Beating tOSU is everything" has become "who even cares about that game". Simply amazing.
 
fordman84 said:
"Beating tOSU is everything" has become "who even cares about that game". Simply amazing.
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Because it used to be meaningful. The B10 and NCAA have done everything possible to turn it into just another game -- probably because Ohio State can't win it anymore. Can't have the B10's 2nd best team missing the playoff now can we?

If last year was applied to this system, Michigan and Ohio State play again the very next weekend....both are guarnteed playoff spots and would have a good shot at playing again weeks later in the 12 team playoff. Garbage system.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
lol, like what? Losing our coach for the two hardest games of the year? "everything fell in line" lmfao. You guys had an easy path to a playoff spot and lost to our assistant coach.

It must grind your gears that in the last 50 years both Michigan and Ohio State have the same number of national titles.
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Zero people outside of UM fans would say that over the last 50 years tOSU and Michigan have been equal in football. I mean, I'm pretty far from being a bucknut but gotta call out idiocy when I see it...which is pretty much every post you make.
 
fordman84 said:
Zero people outside of UM fans would say that over the last 50 years tOSU and Michigan have been equal in football. I mean, I'm pretty far from being a bucknut but gotta call out idiocy when I see it...which is pretty much every post you make.
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So you're saying that OSU has massively underacheived?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Because it used to be meaningful. The B10 and NCAA have done everything possible to turn it into just another game -- probably because Ohio State can't win it anymore. Can't have the B10's 2nd best team missing the playoff now can we?

If last year was applied to this system, Michigan and Ohio State play again the very next weekend....both are guarnteed playoff spots and would have a good shot at playing again weeks later in the 12 team playoff. Garbage system.
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Bullshit. Even in years where UM was sucking ass and there was nothing on the line you still had it circled as your superbowl. Now you want to say it is meaningless if it doesn't impact playoffs? Nah, miss me with your bullshit.
 
fordman84 said:
Bullshit. Even in years where UM was sucking ass and there was nothing on the line you still had it circled as your superbowl. Now you want to say it is meaningless if it doesn't impact playoffs? Nah, miss me with your bullshit.
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Sure because we could knock OSU out of things. Michigan could be 3-8 and there was hope we could ruin their season. If OSU came in with no losses or 1 loss, they'd be competing for the BCS or for the 4 team playoff. Michigan would have a shot at knocking them out. They've removed that entirely from the game and it's a shame.

Almost every significant game in the series history would have functionally had little meaning if this new system existed at the time.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Sure because we could knock OSU out of things. Michigan could be 3-8 and there was hope we could ruin their season. If OSU came in with no losses or 1 loss, they'd be competing for the BCS or for the 4 team playoff. Michigan would have a shot at knocking them out. They've removed that entirely from the game and it's a shame.

Almost every significant game in the series history would have functionally had little meaning if this new system existed at the time.
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So regardless of the number of playoff slots, the game still has meaning because there is a good chance at least one of you is in contention for a playoff spot. In your scenario 3-8 UM could give tOSU their second loss and maybe bump them from top 12.

As I said, it's not your lips that are moving...its your cheeks.
 
fordman84 said:
So regardless of the number of playoff slots, the game still has meaning because there is a good chance at least one of you is in contention for a playoff spot. In your scenario 3-8 UM could give tOSU their second loss and maybe bump them from top 12.

As I said, it's not your lips that are moving...its your cheeks.
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It is now limited to bragging rights and historical meaning. Unless one of the teams is on the bubble then the actual meaning for playoff spots is minimal; at least compared to what it used to be.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It is now limited to bragging rights and historical meaning. Unless one of the teams is on the bubble then the actual meaning for playoff spots is minimal; at least compared to what it used to be.
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I'm certain you are one of those types that have said "I don't care if we only win one game, if we beat <insert arch-rival name here> then it's a successful season".

Now you don't say that anymore and the game is worthless unless there is only a 4 team playoff. I've seen some goalposts get moved before but you just put these on a whole other fucking planet in this thread.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
lol, like what? Losing our coach for the two hardest games of the year? "everything fell in line" lmfao. You guys had an easy path to a playoff spot and lost to our assistant coach.

It must grind your gears that in the last 50 years both Michigan and Ohio State have the same number of national titles.
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We had our worst QB in over a decade, a dude who was so bad that the only school who wanted him was a low end ACC team, and you barely escaped at home in the final seconds with your greatest team ever. You cheated to get an advantage over the past 3 years, had OSU's offense take a major step back in 2023, had UGA get majorly upset in the SEC CCG, had LSU/Clemson/Oklahoma all have major down years, and then got to face the weakest field in CFP history. It's why nobody really thinks much of your CFP win outside of your fanbase.

Also you don't have as many NCs as us in the last 50 years. You have to to back 75 years to get your second most recent NC. We have 5 in that timeframe. Womp womp.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
They ruined CFB this year with conference expansion and the 12 team playoff. Nothing means anything anymore. Michigan and Ohio State could meet undefeated again and it means nothing. Both are guaranteed locks for the playoff.
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You are going to go with the "they ruined CFB by expanding the playoffs" riff, eh? Or, more like our entire coaching staff blew out of town to avoid getting sanctioned and fired, and we are going to suck. But, sure, blame it on the new format.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It is now limited to bragging rights and historical meaning. Unless one of the teams is on the bubble then the actual meaning for playoff spots is minimal; at least compared to what it used to be.
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This is true, mi might not be desperate enough to cheat now that tOSU should make the playoffs every year.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
lol, like what? Losing our coach for the two hardest games of the year? "everything fell in line" lmfao. You guys had an easy path to a playoff spot and lost to our assistant coach.

It must grind your gears that in the last 50 years both Michigan and Ohio State have the same number of national titles.
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You have 1.5 with an asterisk, they have 2. You are making me defend tOSU ... uggghhh.
 
LOL ...



Michigan fans: There's no proof Stallions was linked to the staff. He was a lone wolf so we are good.

Normal fans: Well a lot of coaches have already been fired or left the school and if the draft NOA is correct, servers were destroyed, text messages were deleted, documents were smuggled out of the building by players, players were told to lie by coaches and EVERYONE refused to cooperate with the investigation. Seems like destroying evidence IS evidence no?

Michigan fans: We are the real victims here!! Someone is leaking information of how we cheated for 4 years!!
 
Has anyone photoshopped Stallions head onto Perry the Platypus from Phineas & Ferb? I mean, if you have a member of the staff that disappears every freaking game day and then returns with a treasure trove of information about a future opponent wouldn't someone know?

I still don't see how this isn't an either/or situation...Either Jim and his staff knew, or they had a massive lack of institutional control. Has to be one or the other, no other options are possible.
 
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