The Big Ten FUCKED their goose

cwerph said:
The Buckeyes ran a play before it could be reviewed. If Lanning was "brilliant" for playing 12 guys, so was Day for running the play so fast.
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Well running a play quickly is old hat. 12 men on the field is new.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
No doubt. That's what good coaches do is find the loopholes. Belicheck did it for years in the NFL, so much so, his assistants who moved on to Head Coaching jobs started using his loopholes against him.

Sucks to have it happen to you, but it was a smart move by Lanning.
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It was great when belichick was blowing a gasket when one of his former guys did it to him. Seriously bill. You've done this exact same thing.
 
cwerph said:
As they say in NASCAR, "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'." I know they didn't break any rule but that was right up there with Lane Kiffin having players roll around on the field like soccer players to stop the clock.

According to Bobby Carpenter, this used to be a 15 yard penalty in college, but they changed it 10-11 years ago to align with the NFL. The problem is, if someone pulled this in the NFL, they would fine the team and if it happened again, they would suspend the coach.
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Not sure what you're basing the fine and suspension stuff on. This type of thing has literally happened with no punishment before. The league changes the rule after the season is all that has happened.
 
SU Nittany Tide said:
Not sure what you're basing the fine and suspension stuff on. This type of thing has literally happened with no punishment before. The league changes the rule after the season is all that has happened.
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I'll need to see your work on that one.
 
cwerph said:
I'll need to see your work on that one.
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Did bill belichick get fined or suspended for exploiting a time draining penalty multiple times in the same game? Did Vrabel get fined or suspended for doing the same exploitation multiple times in the same game back to belichick?
 
fishinabarrel said:
I remember thinking right after the flag was thrown "I wonder if that was on purpose." I'm actually really surprised that it took this long for someone to do it.

Imagine Bills vs Chiefs 2 years ago. Mahomes has 13 seconds to drive the field and the Bills just trot out extra defenders every play. Chiefs gain 5 yards every play but that isn't nearly enough by the time time expires
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That can't happen in the NFL ... it's a dead ball foul. Play is stopped, not clock runs off, 5 yard penalty.

The CFB rule was the same until recently and the changed it. It may get changed back mid-season.

Imagine you have a team with the ball on their 20, down 4-8 points, 40 seconds to go. You bring out 12 or 13 players every time. This means they are far more likely to not gain any yardage. They run a play, 5 seconds runs off, penalty, ball goes to the 30. Do that 8 times and they are on your 40 and the clock expires. There is nothing to keep that from happening.
 
cwerph said:
As they say in NASCAR, "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'." I know they didn't break any rule but that was right up there with Lane Kiffin having players roll around on the field like soccer players to stop the clock.

According to Bobby Carpenter, this used to be a 15 yard penalty in college, but they changed it 10-11 years ago to align with the NFL. The problem is, if someone pulled this in the NFL, they would fine the team and if it happened again, they would suspend the coach.
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It's not aligned with the NFL rule. In the NFL rule it's a dead ball foul and they call it before or at the snap. No time runs off the clock,

Never mind. The rule has been changed:

This did not seem like the utterance of a coach who thought his team had brilliantly exploited a loophole in the rules to deprive Ohio State of precious seconds at the end of the game. And it makes me think that the Ducks were more lucky than intentional in taking a penalty that helped win that game—a penalty that has led to a hurry-up rule change in college football.

The change—excuse me, “rules interpretation”—was announced by the NCAA Wednesday:

“After the two-minute timeout in either half, if the defense commits a substitution foul and 12 or more players are on the field and participate in a down, officials will penalize the defense for the foul and, at the option of the offended team, reset the game clock back to the time displayed at the snap.

“The game clock will then restart on the next snap. If the 12th defender was attempting to exit but was still on the field at the snap and had no influence on the play, then the normal substitution penalty of 5 yards would be enforced with no clock adjustment.”
 
Codaxx said:
Yes, but why would you?
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It was actually an honest question, I sincerely don't think I've ever seen one declined in decades of watching football so I wasn't sure.
 
SU Nittany Tide said:
It was great when belichick was blowing a gasket when one of his former guys did it to him. Seriously bill. You've done this exact same thing.
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Yeah -- it was Vrabel. I was cracking up watching the game. Bill was getting pissed and all I kept thinking is -- you taught the guy this.
 
Across The Field said:
It was actually an honest question, I sincerely don't think I've ever seen one declined in decades of watching football so I wasn't sure.
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The most obvious reason to decline an offensive penalty is to get the result of the play, but there is no play on pre-snap penalties. The only reason I could think of to decline a false start would be in a punt situation (where you have seen delay of game penalties declined)
 
Codaxx said:
The most obvious reason to decline an offensive penalty is to get the result of the play, but there is no play on pre-snap penalties. The only reason I could think of to decline a false start would be in a punt situation (where you have seen delay of game penalties declined)
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I just don't think I've ever seen a false start penalty that wouldn't benefit the defense. No team is going to false start on purpose to give themselves more room by the defense could react and end up injuring a player. They will just take the delay of game where there is no movement
 
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