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What about the 5 star guys you turned into undrafted players? Or do those not count?
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Once again Ohio State gets more higher rated WRs so by default we are going to have more of those guys who don't work out. But we have shown we can get low 4* and 3* guys drafted high as well. So it evens out.
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This guy is really trying to argue that Michigan and Ohio State are somehow equals when it comes to developing WRs into the NFL.
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It is also why you have so many get drafted high, because.............you sign way more than anyone else. Those 3 and 4 star guys will improve simply by being around the talent in that room.
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Lol ok.
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You confuse recruiting with developing. What is next? Are you going to tell us how Ohio developed Jeremiah Smith and made him into what he is.
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You still have to keep developing 5* players. If that wasn't the case being a 5* out of HS would automatically = high draft pick. It does not.
Jeremiah Smith is a rarer case of a player who would be a stud and sure fire 1st rounder (barring significant injury) no matter where he is playing not all higher rated recruits are created equal either.
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For the love of god -- have you never played a sport in your life. Yes -- if you put anyone in a room surrounded by the best at their position -- they are going to get better. They get to see how those players train, they get to see how they workout, they get to see how they eat and take care of their body, they can pick their brain on techniques, routes, how to get off the line, etc.
Those same WR's also help your CB's.
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Of course you still have work with all players. You are confusing recruiting with developing. Ohio pumps out top picks in the NFL draft at WR because they have the best WR room and recruits in CFB, year after year.
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Take a look at the top 10 WRs from past classes
Lets do 2017-2020 (using 247 composite) since those players are all mostly gone
2017
6/10 went undrafted
2018
7/10 went undrafted
2019
6/10 went undrafted* (Theo Wease is in this years draft and will likely be drafted)
2020
8/10 ultimately undrafted (nobody still playing is going to get drafted)
Lets do 2017-2020 (using 247 composite) since those players are all mostly gone
2017
6/10 went undrafted
2018
7/10 went undrafted
2019
6/10 went undrafted* (Theo Wease is in this years draft and will likely be drafted)
2020
8/10 ultimately undrafted (nobody still playing is going to get drafted)
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The very first one I looked at you skewed the numbers.
2017 Henry Ruggs, DPJ, Devonta Smith, Tee Higgins and Jerry Jeudy were 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 for WR's. Every one was drafted and Ruggs, Smith and Jeudy were 1st round picks. Higgins may have been too. Tough to have 6 out of 10 go undrafted when the top 5 guys were all drafted
2018 Justin Shorter, Ja'Marr Chase, Terrence Marshall, Amon Ra St Brown, Jaylen Waddle, Derrion Kendrick all were drafted. Jordyn Adams was drafted...........in the MLB. Crazy how in your mind -- 7 out of 10 went undrafted, yet 6 out of 9 were drafted, with Adams leaving to play baseball.
I'm not even wasting my time looking up the others. Quite obvious you are just making stuff up as you go
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I accidentally counted DPJ as undrafted. I would count the #1 WR becoming a 6th rounder as a failure though
Shorter I forgot ever got drafted, but same as DPJ was the #1 WR who became a 5th round pick, so that's a relative failure. and Derrion Kendrick played DB most of college and was draft as a DB he does not count as a WR draft number.
Even then you get a 50% success rate of top 10 WRs. So every other top 10 WR is liable to be a miss.
Shorter is a perfect example of someone getting drafted off measurables alone, he was not productive at all for a #1 WR recruit in college. (1,552 yards over 5 seasons)
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"ATROCIOUS", my goodness the hyperbole. You show your ignorance when you act like this. Also doesn't change the fact that Collins was worse than "ATROCIOUS" before Stroud got there to rescue him. No matter, Stroud is more likely to return to his (deserved) MVP form from 2023 next season, as long as Houston doesn't fuck up the OC search.
So again, Dobbins was an OSU guy and also has been injured like crazy lately. Why didn't Scumbaugh take that money and give it to those super talented michigan RBs in the league who are making even less?
Oh right, because like I said before, michigan is shit at developing offensive talent. I know this hurts you but it's simply true.
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Is that by accident? Or is it because we have perhaps the best WR coach in the history of CFB and have been pumping out top picks in the NFL draft for a decade now, regardless of if they're 3*/4*/5*?
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Yes -- he was atrocious. When you are putting up numbers like Aiden O'Connell and Justin Fields -- you are playing like hot garbage.
Read up on how the NFL works and then make an intelligent comment regarding RB's. Dobbins was given 1.5 million, which is barely above the 1.12 million league minimum for vets. The only RB's making less are those on rookie contracts.
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News Flash -- when you sign the top recruits -- you are going to put out top picks.
LSU and Bama have put out just as many top WR's into the NFL. Why? Because they are signing the top WR recruits too.
LSU has put out Justin Jefferson, Brian Marshall Jr., Ja'Marr Chase, Malik Nabers. So does LSU have perhaps the best WR coach in the history of CFB?
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This is the real story for so many former championship teams. After the championship the teams get gutted of the talent that brought them success. That is why it is so hard to repeat that success year after year.
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Yeah, I don't really get the argument? OSU is elite at developing offensive talent for the NFL. If you're not going to give OSU credit, I don't see how Michigan deserves any credit for JJ McCarthy.
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No. They had some good recruiting!
We went from having no QBs worth mentioning for so many years but we always had great DBs and good DL. We were known as DBU at one time for the amount of DBs we sent to the NFL.
Then we became QBU, what with two Heisman QBs with both going on to a lot of success in the NFL as soon as they got there.
And, as you stated, they have turned out some of the best WRs to go into the NFL lately.
That is why recruiting is so important to any successful team.
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Has LSU had the same WR coach putting all those guys out? OSU wasn't always signing stud 5* WRs, which you'd know if you knew anything about football. All the guys they put in the NFL in the 2010s were 3*/4*.