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Dallas' record has nothing to do with the cap hell your team is facing, so yes it is a classic deflection. "I don't like these facts so I'll talk shit about your team".

Grow up.

The cap hell doesn't exist for my team. They have been operating the same way this entire century and have the best roster in the NFL.

You haven't brought any facts. The Eagles haven't lost out on any players.
 
The cap hell doesn't exist for my team. They have been operating the same way this entire century and have the best roster in the NFL.
No, they have been putting it off the last few years with problems for the next GM.
You haven't brought any facts. The Eagles haven't lost out on any players.
I have, you just don't like them. You have lost key defensive guys this year and it's going to get much worse next year and 2027.
 
No, they have been putting it off the last few years with problems for the next GM.

I have, you just don't like them. You have lost key defensive guys this year and it's going to get much worse next year and 2027.

They haven't lost anyone on defense that they don't have a ready young replacement to step in. The only player we could have lost on defense that wpuld have hurt the Eagles defensively was Zac Baun but they brought him back on a big new contract. The only other person that could potentially harm them defensively is CJGJ but they drafted a safety in round 2 that looks very similar in play style and Justin Simmons is sitting there wanting to be signed by the Eagles if they do run into issues at safety.

Nowhere else on defense have they lost players where they don't have ready to go replacements.

Also is Roseman going anywhere? He is 50 years old with his dream job building a hall of fame resume.
 
You can't really "lower" those contracts, not the way Howie builds his contracts. Hurts for example has multiple void years already on his contract. In 2029 Hurts is no longer under contract but has a $97m cap hit. That's a guaranteed number. The only thing Howie can do is to extend Hurts to push that number further out, but there is literally no way to avoid paying that money eventually.

So either Hurts (and this is just one player, but every single big contract the Eagles have is built the same way) gets an extension between now and 2028 or the Eagles trade/cut him and take a $97m hit in 2029. They could pre-June1 him and split that hit in 2029 and 2030, but there is no way to lower the cap hit without just deferring the $97m dead number to a later date. And the only way to push the number into future years is to make that number even larger by having a new contract.

Y'all got a SB win and an appearance from this technique but it's going to have a very painful correction, and that started this year and just gets worse over the next 5 years.
Wait a second. You said the eagles would be in cap hell in 2024. Now it's 2029??
 
The cap hell doesn't exist for my team. They have been operating the same way this entire century and have the best roster in the NFL.

You haven't brought any facts. The Eagles haven't lost out on any players.
The eagles have always been a couple years away from cap hell according to Ford.
 
The eagles have always been a couple years away from cap hell according to Ford.
I've not changed my tune. Y'all had to get rid of a lot on defense and now hoping rookies are able to step in. It gets worse next year, you already have over 30m in dead cap space for the 2026 year and we haven't even started games in 2025. For 2026 you have two players making over the minimum so you have zero room to reduce cap hits in 2026 short of cutting someone and stretching their remaining money over two years.

As for Howie not going anywhere? Yeah when hell hits, the roster is empty, and the record goes <.500 he will be shown the door. Eagles are headed for the same fate the Saints have dealt with the last couple of seasons.
 
Wait a second. You said the eagles would be in cap hell in 2024. Now it's 2029??

No I didn't, I said it would start in 2025. if you think it was 2024 then post the link.


Boom, confetti. Once again I'm right. Bonus, I was even talking to @SU Nittany Tide in this post.
I just told you, 2025. Prior to that it was around 2018 when you couldn't figure out how you were going to afford a QB.
 
They haven't lost anyone on defense that they don't have a ready young replacement to step in. The only player we could have lost on defense that wpuld have hurt the Eagles defensively was Zac Baun but they brought him back on a big new contract. The only other person that could potentially harm them defensively is CJGJ but they drafted a safety in round 2 that looks very similar in play style and Justin Simmons is sitting there wanting to be signed by the Eagles if they do run into issues at safety.

Nowhere else on defense have they lost players where they don't have ready to go replacements.

Also is Roseman going anywhere? He is 50 years old with his dream job building a hall of fame resume.
Funny you don't think that Sweat, Huff, and Williams weren't key defensive players. Add in Graham to retirement and that's 18.5 sacks off the DL you lost from last season. From the secondary you lost Slay, Rogers, and CJGJ. You also weren't able to keep your starting OT Becton.

Better hope every rookie that's replacing those guys hit.
 
Exactly. In 2023 it was 2025. In 2022 it was 2024.
Then post the link of me saying that. I don't remember that, i've been pointing to 2025 for as long as I can remember. I posted proof of me saying 2025 back in 2023.
 
Then post the link of me saying that. I don't remember that, i've been pointing to 2025 for as long as I can remember. I posted proof of me saying 2025 back in 2023.
It was after Hurts signed his extension (in 2022). You said his contract is really going to be a mess for the team in the 2024 season, which was hilarious in hindsight.

And you've been saying the same shit for years.
 
It was after Hurts signed his extension (in 2022). You said his contract is really going to be a mess for the team in the 2024 season, which was hilarious in hindsight.
Then post the proof.
And you've been saying the same shit for years.
You are right, I have been saying 2025 for years. here are a few more times of me saying it prior to this year

I mean, he's not wrong. Y'all are staring at cap hell after this season. No one you can really cut to save money and already not much cap room. Of course there are extensions you can use to maneuver but eventually you have to reset.

This has been said for over a decade.

And I've been saying it for a couple of years, that 2025 is going to be the year PHL FO has to make some tough decisions.
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No, cap hell is 35M in cap space with multiple key positions needing replaced but already has tens of millions tied to the players that have left and your FO using the option bonus structure to pre-restructure contracts. Every one of your top 30'ish contracts are already on the minimum base pay. There is nothing to convert to signing bonus and stretch in to future years. On top of that the top 20 contracts already have the void years added in. So not only does cap hell start in 2025, it REALLY gets bad in 2028 and I don't see a way out of it without massive cuts and paying the piper in 2029.


But glad to see you have stopped trying to argue the money. Guess someone "learned math", you pathetic piece of shit.
Oh man, sounds like I was saying this same thing last year. Nothing has changed, except a lot of losses on the defensive side of the ball. All in on offense, and it's only going to get worse the rest of the decade.
I feel like this conversation happens every year where the eagles are one or two seasons away from cap hell. Every year.

I've been pointing to 2025 for a while now. No change on my part.
More of me pointing to 2025, no references to 2024 though.

I can back up my stance, but you just keep claiming without proof that every year I change when cap hell will hit. Looks like I've been saying 2025 and it gets worse each year after that for a while.
 
I'm not as good at the search function as you. Somebody brought it back up after the eagles won the super bowl this year to point out how funny it was in hindsight. That's the only reason I remember that specific one. Was it in the super bowl thread? A thread about jalen hurts? This thread? I don't know. I don't really care. Showing you talking about 2025 just reinforced the fact you say it is always right around the corner. You aren't the the only Cowboys fan who says that though. I suspect there is a cowboys writer/podcaster/radio host or whatever that a lot of cowboys fans listen to saying this same thing. Pointing out you bring up 2025 doesn't prove anything about what you've said other years.
 
I'm not as good at the search function as you. Somebody brought it back up after the eagles won the super bowl this year to point out how funny it was in hindsight. That's the only reason I remember that specific one. Was it in the super bowl thread? A thread about jalen hurts? This thread? I don't know. I don't really care. Showing you talking about 2025 just reinforced the fact you say it is always right around the corner. You aren't the the only Cowboys fan who says that though. I suspect there is a cowboys writer/podcaster/radio host or whatever that a lot of cowboys fans listen to saying this same thing. Pointing out you bring up 2025 doesn't prove anything about what you've said other years.
Here is every post that I talk about Hurts contract and a year:
Oh so close. One more year, same annual average, not quite the guaranteed money. I love that they did this deal. I'm sure it saves a lot of money next season, and then starts to load up. Can stretch it out every year like all NFL contracts do, but a QB who is a threat to roll out quickly loses his value and this contract will stink in 2024. Plus Lane and Kelce are just about on the way out (but their contracts will live on) and when he needs to be mobile the most, his legs will leave him. Now just need the skins to screw up their long term QB situation and the entire NFCE will be on a level field.
Not talking about contract hell, but I did say the contract would start to stink in 2024. Not quite, the cap hit was only 13m but it's sure getting smelly now. Cap hits 2025=$22m, 2026=32m, 2027=42m, 2028= 47m, 2029=97.5m and the kicker is he isn't under contract in 2029. But it's still guaranteed to hit, so I think starting to stink in 2024 is somewhat accurate.

Problem is his cap number in 4 and 5th years won't go down. They will keep converting base to bonus every year and driving that back end cap number up.
I agree it isn't a terrible contract. I think it will be bad based on what he will be able to do in 5 years. Look at Dak. One lower body injury and half his game is taken away.
Didn't discuss a calendar year but I do give a timeline of when the problem with his contract starts. 2023 + 4 years would be 2027, when his cap hit gets up to 47m. As I have said all along, because of how these are built you can't just restructure his number down like Dallas does with our players. Dallas uses signing bonuses, Eagles use option bonuses. Dallas can convert base salary to signing bonus to lower cap numbers each year. Eagles already put players on minimum salary and an option bonus to change when the cap hit applies. There is no flexibility later in the contract, and Howie has made it worse by putting those hits in void years. Buys him more room now, but the piper has to be paid at some point. And PHL big contracts have that payment on void years. That means either you have to resign them to delay the balloon payment or deal with dead cap issues.
2025 looms for y'all, meanwhile the early rumors are that Dak's extension is written to take up a chunk of the cap room we have this year to get the bulk payment out of the way this year. Would leave a low base number, just enough to maneuver around the cap.

Is it a lot of money? Yes. Is it more than Dak is worth? So far, yes. Is it a terrible contract? No, just what QB's are getting at this time.
Nope, not calling for 2024 there either. Looks like, yeah I double checked, I see a 2025 there once again.
 
Funny you don't think that Sweat, Huff, and Williams weren't key defensive players. Add in Graham to retirement and that's 18.5 sacks off the DL you lost from last season. From the secondary you lost Slay, Rogers, and CJGJ. You also weren't able to keep your starting OT Becton.

Better hope every rookie that's replacing those guys hit.


Huff? Huff?!?

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I like Josh Sweat. He had a great Suoer Bowl and I'll always be a fan as a result. But the Eagles have already seen the beat of of Jpsh Sweat and his knee is a ticking time bomb. In that Super Bowl and late in the season we already started to see the emergence od his replacement, Jalyx Hunt.

Williams honestly isn't much of a loss. I wpuld have been upset if we pais him to bring him back. He got a massive deal from the Patriots despite never facing souvle teams. Any DT that plays next to Jalen Carter will be setup to feast. Ojomo who will likely replace Williams has as good, if not better pass rush win rates than Williams had. Jordan Davis had two huge sacks in the NFC Championship Game and Super Bowl and Ty Robinson is also looking like a great pick. Williams signing that massive deal is a benefit to the Eagles since they will get a 3rd round comp and they can easily replace him.

The best players in our secondary last year qere Quinyon Mitchell and Cooper DeJean and they should only get better in year 2. Slay was good for us but was constantly try leaving the field for long stretches. Rodgers filled in for him nicely but was always heavily targeted the moment he would come in for Slay. I'm excited to see Ringo get his chances. Slay is somwthing like 34 at this point. DeJean is the best pickle corner in the league and I think Quinyon will have a strong chance at defensive player of the year this season. Reed Blankenship has been great at safety and I expect him to be locked up in a new deal before the season. CJGJ is the only potential impact loss for the Eagles this year. As said, we have Justin Simmons lined up wanting to play for the Eagles if we need help st Safety.
 
Funny you don't think that Sweat, Huff, and Williams weren't key defensive players. Add in Graham to retirement and that's 18.5 sacks off the DL you lost from last season. From the secondary you lost Slay, Rogers, and CJGJ. You also weren't able to keep your starting OT Becton.

Better hope every rookie that's replacing those guys hit.
Do you not realize Huff was a healthy scratch during the Super Bowl??

Sweaty and Williams will be missed but when they've had the recent drafts they've had you can't keep everybody. Williams was a third round pick who is making 26 a year now. They have young guys ready to step up.

If it wasn't for the mega contract jalen Carter will need then they could have kept more.
 
Huff? Huff?!?

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I like Josh Sweat. He had a great Suoer Bowl and I'll always be a fan as a result. But the Eagles have already seen the beat of of Jpsh Sweat and his knee is a ticking time bomb. In that Super Bowl and late in the season we already started to see the emergence od his replacement, Jalyx Hunt.

Williams honestly isn't much of a loss. I wpuld have been upset if we pais him to bring him back. He got a massive deal from the Patriots despite never facing souvle teams. Any DT that plays next to Jalen Carter will be setup to feast. Ojomo who will likely replace Williams has as good, if not better pass rush win rates than Williams had. Jordan Davis had two huge sacks in the NFC Championship Game and Super Bowl and Ty Robinson is also looking like a great pick. Williams signing that massive deal is a benefit to the Eagles since they will get a 3rd round comp and they can easily replace him.

The best players in our secondary last year qere Quinyon Mitchell and Cooper DeJean and they should only get better in year 2. Slay was good for us but was constantly try leaving the field for long stretches. Rodgers filled in for him nicely but was always heavily targeted the moment he would come in for Slay. I'm excited to see Ringo get his chances. Slay is somwthing like 34 at this point. DeJean is the best pickle corner in the league and I think Quinyon will have a strong chance at defensive player of the year this season. Reed Blankenship has been great at safety and I expect him to be locked up in a new deal before the season. CJGJ is the only potential impact loss for the Eagles this year. As said, we have Justin Simmons lined up wanting to play for the Eagles if we need help st Safety.
18.5 sacks lost plus three from the secondary. you can belittle that all you want, but my point still remains and is still true. A few of those players Howie would like to have kept but couldn't. Only going to get worse.
 
Do you not realize Huff was a healthy scratch during the Super Bowl??

Sweaty and Williams will be missed but when they've had the recent drafts they've had you can't keep everybody. Williams was a third round pick who is making 26 a year now. They have young guys ready to step up.

If it wasn't for the mega contract jalen Carter will need then they could have kept more.
There are players in that list you would have kept if you could, but you couldn't. Only hope was to try to replace them because you spent so much on the offense and on players no longer on the roster.
 
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