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[NinerSpartan]

man, if you hate guys internet insiders, then you should get a whiff of this guy @ OGboards

Deacs fan that claims he's in the know about the UNC job.

Things have changed a little. These are facts.

Roy absolutely wants Hubert Davis to get the job and has pretty much been bullying Bubba over it. It’s his legacy and he wants his man and absolutely believes and is adamant that Davis is the guy. Bubba was set to go in that direction but things have been put on hold. Bubba was contacted by at least two NBA coaches who are interested and they are guys that Bubba has to listen and talk to. He also was contacted by a couple of college coaches that were a real surprise as far as them being interested. So Bubba has out things on hold to have those discussions. He still might and probably will come back to Hubert but who knows at this point.

Bubba would much rather go with Davis or another up and coming coach like an Oats etc.

If it’s Hubert then the assistants will be a huge part of it. The concerns from the inside is that Hubert is not a real hard worker and won’t be the type to work 80 hours a week and sleep in his office by any stretch. And he is not super relatable to the recruits. Kendall Marshall would like let be there and possibly Scott May to help with all that. Wes Miller is being talked about as an assistant. He would make possibly in the $1 million a year area which is what about 3 times what he makes now not sure. But much more in any event. That’s why he could possibly take an assistant job. But none of that is really being discussed as likely.

So as of now it is still a Davis lean, but it’s not done. I think it will be him. Roy is very pissed and quite surprised that Bubba doesn’t want to just slam Hubert through for the job.

They aren’t talking to Kenny Smith about the job and will not. They would take Hubert before Smith. So if they go that route, it would be Hubert for sure.

Things have evolved again a little bit. Bubba feels that he must make contact with the candidates he sees at Tier is just too I ortant to get the best coach they can get. If he can get a sure thing he needs to do it.

Tier 1 is Stevens, Donovan, Few, and Wright. The first three have not rejected the idea after contact and are open to talking. Wright hasn’t responded as of earlier today. I was surprised to hear that Few’s response through the agent was “wait until after the Final Four” to talk. He did not shut it down. That surprised me. But I was told today that Few only makes $1.8mm. The UNC job will be in the $6mm range with Nike. Maybe Few wants a raise at Bonzaga, if they can afford to do so. I don’t think they can afford to lose him that’s for sure. Stevens is going to talk to Bubba as of right now unless he bails on it. Donovan likely will as well unless they pick before they get to him. I don’t think they know if Wright will talk to him but it seems they feel that he doesn’t seem excited about talking.

All of the above pisses Roy off. Although it can’t be too bad as he played Augusta twice like week and shot 87-88.

lol @ Few and Wright being mentioned.

The Roy being adamant about Hubert thing I can totally buy, though. In fact, I'd be a little surprised if that was NOT the case.

 

[ralphiewvu]

yup, thought it was decently known that Marquette has way deeper pockets than the rest of the Big East.

With that said, why did Buzz leave Marquette? Would like to know the answer to that, because it feeds into the "the new Big East can't keep coaches around" narrative that has been floating around.

Oklahoma is not in the Big East though and as I stated I looked at the whole men’s spending.

 

[NinerSpartan]

Oklahoma is not in the Big East though and as I stated I looked at the whole men’s spending.

true, I was just comparing Marquette to the rest of it's league.

 

[ralphiewvu]

true, I was just comparing Marquette to the rest of it's league.

All good. I didn’t figure Marquette ponied up the cash more then a program like Oklahoma.

 

[ericd7633]

yup, thought it was decently known that Marquette has way deeper pockets than the rest of the Big East.

With that said, why did Buzz leave Marquette? Would like to know the answer to that, because it feeds into the "the new Big East can't keep coaches around" narrative that has been floating around.

Not sure why Buzz left Marquette other than I think there was a relationship issue with the AD at the time. But it could also just be Buzz. Maybe after 5/6 years at a place he wants to leave? Did the same at VT to take A&M, even though I under why he did that based on his background. But I doubt he's at A&M the rest of his career.

 

[ericd7633]

I took your wording to mean the last 5 tournaments. One year more they were in the final 4.

Wow you are right n the spending. I miss took OUs spending on all male sports. My B
Still disagree on conference affiliation. But to each their own.

In this instance conference affiliation doesn't matter though. Lol. Which is what I've been saying. I even agreed that conference affiliation does matter in almost all cases. This is not one of them.

 

[ralphiewvu]

In this instance conference affiliation doesn't matter though. Lol. Which is what I've been saying. I even agreed that conference affiliation does matter in almost all cases. This is not one of them.

And I argue it does. lol

 

[Mr.Hockey]

yup, thought it was decently known that Marquette has way deeper pockets than the rest of the Big East.

With that said, why did Buzz leave Marquette? Would like to know the answer to that, because it feeds into the "the new Big East can't keep coaches around" narrative that has been floating around.

Buzz whole "Ill be here as long as they'll have me" and "Mama said dont mess with happy, and Im happy" was always known to be a bunch of bs.

But the reason he left for a job like VT rather than later down the line bigger profile jobs was there was a huge falling out between him and the administration, most notably the AD.

Team had some off the court stuff that he liked to look past and he himself was suspended a game for issues and thinks just kinda fell apart. Then when he finally had a bad season, it was the obvious beginning of the end. It ended up being kinda a mutual split at that point.

And as you can see with Wojo after, there was clearly a change in direction in the players we went after(Buzz made a living on JUCO types).

Hes a hell of a coach though. Definitely was not a positive losing him from a on the court results stand point.

 

[ericd7633]

And I argue it does. lol

So you're going to stick with your OU is a much better job than Marquette, simply because the Big 12 is slightly better than the new Big East? Seems odd to take that stance, but everyone can have an opinion.

 

[ralphiewvu]

So you're going to stick with your OU is a much better job than Marquette, simply because the Big 12 is slightly better than the new Big East? Seems odd to take that stance, but everyone can have an opinion.

Also, they’ve been more relevant the last decade or so. But we can pretend they haven’t been to cater to your opinion Eric.

 

[NinerSpartan]

they are definitely trying to fire him

 

[ericd7633]

Also, they’ve been more relevant the last decade or so. But we can pretend they haven’t been to cater to your opinion Eric.

Are you talking about the conferences or Marquette/OU? Since 2010:

Tournament appearances:
Oklahoma - 7
Marquette - 6

Tournament wins:
Oklahoma - 8
Marquette - 7

S16's:
Oklahoma - 2
Marquette - 3

E8's:
Oklahoma - 1
Marquette - 1

FF:
Oklahoma - 1
Marquette - 0

They have one more tournament appearance and win this last decade or so. Or whatever time frame you want to use.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Are you talking about the conferences or Marquette/OU? Since 2010:

Tournament appearances:
Oklahoma - 7
Marquette - 6

Tournament wins:
Oklahoma - 8
Marquette - 7

S16's:
Oklahoma - 2
Marquette - 3

E8's:
Oklahoma - 1
Marquette - 1

FF:
Oklahoma - 1
Marquette - 0

They have one more tournament appearance and win this last decade or so. Or whatever time frame you want to use.

So, more relevant. Thanks

 

[ericd7633]

So, more relevant. Thanks

You're acting as though one has been a top 10 program, and the other is completely irrelevant. If you think OU having one more tournament appearance and win since 2010 makes that job much better, you're being pretty delusional, or stubborn, I'm not sure which one it is. Or have something against Marquette/their fan base. You've been pretty far off base this entire time, honestly.

 

[Wishbone]

The only thing Ill add to your guys debate is I don't see the quality of player coming out of Marquette that I do Oklahoma. No Blake Griffins, Buddy Heilds, or Trae Youngs.

 

[ericd7633]

The only thing Ill add to your guys debate is I don't see the quality of player coming out of Marquette that I do Oklahoma. No Blake Griffins, Buddy Heilds, or Trae Youngs.

Marquette's actually had more 1st rounders since 2010(just using that as the time frame since that's what ralphie brought up). And more overall people drafted in that time frame. Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder and Wes Matthews have had really nice careers. And I actually think Marquette has more current players in the NBA Obviously OU's trio you mentioned is better though than what Marquette has done.

 

[ralphiewvu]

You're acting as though one has been a top 10 program, and the other is completely irrelevant. If you think OU having one more tournament appearance and win since 2010 makes that job much better, you're being pretty delusional, or stubborn, I'm not sure which one it is. Or have something against Marquette/their fan base. You've been pretty far off base this entire time, honestly.

I’m not acting as anything. I’m using those numbers you’ve given to say Oklahoma has been more relevant recently. But this is still all opinion. You obviously don’t agree and that’s fine. But to me, your opinion is off base because you and others have some superiority complex because you watch more basketball then others.

Opinions differing are fine. You don’t need to be on your high horse about it.

 

[ericd7633]

I’m not acting as anything. I’m using those numbers you’ve given to say Oklahoma has been more relevant recently. But this is still all opinion. You obviously don’t agree and that’s fine. But to me, your opinion is off base because you and others have some superiority complex because you watch more basketball then others.

Opinions differing are fine. You don’t need to be on your high horse about it.

They've been more relevant on the court by the slimmest of margins in that time frame. Does that margin outweigh all the other factors that favor Marquette? It's a hypothetical question, as I'm asking, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I'm just saying they are basically in about the same tier as far as the type of job and which one is better IMO. I just took issue with the much better part is all.

Both programs appear to be cyclical in terms of success. Marquette much better in the 70's. OU better in the 80's. Probably about the same in the 90's and in this century. Marquette is actually on one of their worst runs as a program not having won a tournament game since 2013.

 

[ralphiewvu]

They've been more relevant on the court by the slimmest of margins in that time frame. Does that margin outweigh all the other factors that favor Marquette? It's a hypothetical question, as I'm asking, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I'm just saying they are basically in about the same tier as far as the type of job and which one is better IMO. I just took issue with the much better part is all.

Both programs appear to be cyclical in terms of success. Marquette much better in the 70's. OU better in the 80's. Probably about the same in the 90's and in this century. Marquette is actually on one of their worst runs as a program not having won a tournament game since 2013.

Ok, Oklahoma is marginally better job. But it’s in the eye of the beholder. I admit I did overestimate Oklahoma basketball. Probably because they’ve kicked our ass a lot recently. All good, I still consider you one of my good buddies on here. :gossip:

 

[wazzu31]

man, if you hate guys internet insiders, then you should get a whiff of this guy @ OGboards

Deacs fan that claims he's in the know about the UNC job.





lol @ Few and Wright being mentioned.

The Roy being adamant about Hubert thing I can totally buy, though. In fact, I'd be a little surprised if that was NOT the case.

If Few didn’t leave for Oregon years back when Phil Knight was recruiting him(allegedly), I cannot see him leaving for UNC. The only fit would be name identity.