Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC

[duckboy33]

ACC should grab ND and UConn (or some hoops powerhouse). Done. ND is the sticking point there. Candidly, the ACC and SEC have the easiest path if 16 team super conferences is the goal. PAC might have it pretty easy as they will be able to pick from the left overs of the B12 and BYU/BSU and a few others. The B12 is toast. The B1G will have the toughest row to hoe due to their academic airs.

The PAC isn't going to add BYU or Boise, at this point. They never wanted them and likely never will.

If the PAC is going to expand, it's going to be picking up some leftovers of the Big 12. I see some combo of TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas, Oklahoma State. Maybe Houston if the religious thing is as big of a concern as some people think it is.

 

[Wild Turkey]

ACC should grab ND and UConn (or some hoops powerhouse). Done. ND is the sticking point there. Candidly, the ACC and SEC have the easiest path if 16 team super conferences is the goal. PAC might have it pretty easy as they will be able to pick from the left overs of the B12 and BYU/BSU and a few others. The B12 is toast. The B1G will have the toughest row to hoe due to their academic airs.

ACC should ND and UCF as UCon brings zero value and a Florida school helps with recruiting.

 

[NinerSpartan]

YOu are correct on that, but they deliver no TV market. No one in Atlanta cares about Tech.

that didn't stop the Big Ten from adding Maryland or Rutgers.

 

[Codaxx]

First, divisions are already under attack with 14 teams. Now that the CC gets auto in, the idea of having non-balanced divisions could be a problem. In the SEC, the argument is that the West is stronger than the East. It falls apart from a CC game aspect because the East has always at least had one good team to get to Atlanta. This is a bigger issue for the B1G where the West has put some less than optimal teams in when there were better no. 2 teams in the East. But, the idea is that you should have the 2 best in the CCG regardless of divisions.

Second, the idea that you only play teams once every 6 years is bad. TAMU came into the SEC in 2011, and we go to College Station for the first time in 2023, 12 years later. That's just wrong. I've seen to written that ideally you want a player who plays 4 years to get to play in every away stadium at least once.

Third, the SEC has some permanent rivalries that have to be preserved. UGA UF, UGA AU, UA UA, AU LSU, UT OU, UA UTjr, maybe UF LSU.

With all that in mind, if OU and UT come in, they will go to pods. No doubt. It will enable you to get the top 2 teams in the CCG every year, it will allow teams to play each other more often. The hard part will be point 3 above.

I always thought the end game would be like 20 teams. You only play your division. The conference would make a 4 team playoff for the championship and add significant money in doing so.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Auburn v LSU really isn’t a thing. We only started playing them every year after we split into divisions. It can be sacrificed. Auburn cares more about picking TN and Florida back up and correcting stupidity.

I didn't list AU LSU. I'd like to see UF AU back for sure. I want pods ... I miss playing the other teams more often. Road trips to Oxford should happen way more often.

 

[Wild Turkey]

YOu are correct on that, but they deliver no TV market. No one in Atlanta cares about Tech.

I used to make the same argument about markets but they don’t mater as much anymore with cord cutting. Content and perceived prestige mater more now.

 

[NinerSpartan]

ACC should ND and UCF as UCon brings zero value and a Florida school helps with recruiting.

UConn is a non-starter anyway, BC has already convinced the rest of the conference that UConn are a bunch of bitches that can't be trusted

and when BC bolted for the ACC in 2005, UConn sued the ACC and John Swofford, lmao

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I always thought the end game would be like 20 teams. You only play your division. The conference would make a 4 team playoff for the championship and add significant money in doing so.

No way ... one of the main complaints with divisions now is that we don't play the other teams often enough. Pods handles that. The tie breaker for the CCG is my main concern. What if you have four 7-1 teams? With the CFP going to 12, can't do a Conf playoff. Also can't eliminate games to do it.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I used to make the same argument about markets but they don’t mater as much anymore with cord cutting. Content and perceived prestige mater more now.

To the contrary, markets is the no. 1 thing that matters. If you don't delver eyeballs, no matter how they are counted, you aren't getting a slice of the pie. GaTech has that going against them.

 

[duckboy33]

UConn is a non-starter anyway, BC has already convinced the rest of the conference that UConn are a bunch of bitches that can't be trusted

and when BC bolted for the ACC in 2005, UConn sued the ACC and John Swofford, lmao

UConn won't happen. If the ACC is going to expand, they need to get ND to commit. West Virginia would be a fine addition to round things out but I don't think you make that move without getting ND.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

UConn is a non-starter anyway, BC has already convinced the rest of the conference that UConn are a bunch of bitches that can't be trusted

and when BC bolted for the ACC in 2005, UConn sued the ACC and John Swofford, lmao

Grown-ups get over that type of thing. FWIW, I just pulled them out of the air ... I know little about UConn.

 

[NinerSpartan]

Grown-ups get over that type of thing. FWIW, I just pulled them out of the air ... I know little about UConn.

not when they add as little value as UConn does.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

UConn won't happen. If the ACC is going to expand, they need to get ND to commit. West Virginia would be a fine addition to round things out but I don't think you make that move without getting ND.

Geographically, WVU fits. Academically they don't. But, neither did Louisville, so they may be willing to put up with that.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

not when they add as little value as UConn does.

That's why I said I know nothing about UConn and was just using as an example and referred to another basketball power. I do not know what their market pull is. We all agree ND is a must for the ACC or B1G, assuming they are ready to go into a conference. B1G makes sense geographically, and historical rivals, ACC makes sense in that they are currently in the ACC for all but football.

 

[duckboy33]

Geographically, WVU fits. Academically they don't. But, neither did Louisville, so they may be willing to put up with that.

I think the ACC let that go when they added Louisville. The ACC needs money to compete with the SEC and Big Ten. If you can help in that regard, they are going to overlook academics IMO

 

[NinerSpartan]

I think the ACC let that go when they added Louisville. The ACC needs money to compete with the SEC and Big Ten. If you can help in that regard, they are going to overlook academics IMO

agreed. ACC is so far behind the conferences that they don't give a shit about academics anymore. It's about survival. I think they're in decent shape for survival right now, because of the state politics that exist in NC/Va + the Big Ten's snobbery towards Florida State and Clemson.

UConn adds nothing + adding them would seriously piss off the football schools in the ACC. West Virginia is a better version of Louisville.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

agreed. ACC is so far behind the conferences that they don't give a shit about academics anymore. It's about survival. I think they're in decent shape for survival right now, because of the state politics that exist in NC/Va + the Big Ten's snobbery towards Florida State and Clemson.

UConn adds nothing + adding them seriously piss off the football schools in the ACC. West Virginia is a better version of Louisville.

I would only point out that WVU adds nothing money wise. Can't forget the math. If I am going to lose 1/14th of my share, the teams coming in need to add that much back. I assume there is a small TV market in WV, but I could be wrong.

Again, I pulled UConn out of the air and because they are hoops. My guess is they would earn more in hoops money, than WVU in football, but I could be totally wrong on that.

 

[Me]

agreed. ACC is so far behind the conferences that they don't give a shit about academics anymore. It's about survival. I think they're in decent shape for survival right now, because of the state politics that exist in NC/Va + the Big Ten's snobbery towards Florida State and Clemson.

UConn adds nothing + adding them would seriously piss off the football schools in the ACC. West Virginia is a better version of Louisville.

We may have been at one time, but no way we are snobby regarding Clemson/FSU now. If either of them wanted to join, we'd be in.

 

[Wishbone]

With OU the SEC also gains National Championship caliber softball, golf and gymnastics.

 

[duckboy33]

We may have been at one time, but no way we are snobby regarding Clemson/FSU now. If either of them wanted to join, we'd be in.

This has to be the scariest thing for the ACC right now