What If JFK Wasn’t a Conspiracy

Orlando_Eagles said:
It’s such a cluster fuck of competing ideas and theories. I get it.

That movie. I’ll throw this out as I’ve been looking for an opening for it (not pointed at you).

That movie was a fucking disservice. That’s what soured me on it….reading up on just who Garrison was. Not the noble crusader of the truth like Costner portrays.

As I read this book (it goes into some good depth with Garrison and his nonsense) I kept hearing Costner….”back and to the left. Back and to the left”. Oh that had me convinced at the time. Until I read up on things more.
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I completely agree. I was way into this subject when that movie came out. What a disappointment. It was a hot mess.
 
dbldwn711 said:
I haven’t either. I’ve seen some articles that question a source or two that posner cites. That’s to be expected given the number of citations he uses but I haven’t found anything that definitively undermines it. The book as stood the test of time as they say
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I found the few mentioned. They felt trivial in my view. I feel like he took this forward at the right time. Technology was here or coming that was going to be able to back it up. Of course, there are missing details we will never have fully corroborated so I won’t say he doesn’t speculate his fair share.

But it’s backed with citing and logic…and that’s a far sight better than the shit on the wall I’ve read before.
 
broncosmitty said:
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a person who is easily manipulated or victimized : pushover… See the full definition
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ok. So you think he fired the shots but then… what exactly? He was duped into this thing? He didn’t know there was going to be a second shooter? I’m just trying to understand what you’re thinking about it.
 
dbldwn711 said:
there were over 40 tiny bullet fragments left inside Kennedy’s skull by the headshot. None of them suggest anything other than a bullet from Oswalds gun. In other words, this bullet that you claim came from the grassy knoll and “took a chunk of skull off” didn’t leave a trace inconsistent with the bullet from Oswald gun
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It was a rifle bullet. None of us know what rifle it was fired from.
 
dbldwn711 said:
im trying to play catch up.

what do you mean by “found” (in quotes?) a pristine bullet at the hospital?

are you questioning that bullet? My understanding is it’s not pristine but rather nearly pristine. If memory serves me it was flattened at the end.

are we having a discussion about this bullet? @Orlando_Eagles … did I miss a discussion here?
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I mean it was “found”.

Just lying on a gurney at the hospital.
 
Rex Racer said:
This conspiracy stuff has been hashed and rehashed since I was a kid. JFK was assassinated when I was barely 3 years old, the lone assassin (allegedly) Oswald was murdered 2 days later by a mob connected wack job named Jack Ruby and the Warren Commission report as well as subsequent books and assorted theories rely on eye witness testimony all the while discrediting eye witness testimony that doesn't fit the narrative presented. Nothing about this case is obvious unless you want it to be.

I find it difficult to believe that a half wit like Oswald acted alone in plotting or carrying out the crime and even harder to believe that he made those shots from that far away in such quick fashion with a bolt action rifle. Making JFK's brain and skull splatter backwards towards the direction of the bullet(s) seems like a fantasy, but maybe the Russians taught him some James Bond type shit when he was there.

Either way, regardless of whether you believe Oswald was a lone wolf assassin or a lackey for the mob, Cuba, LBJ, the CIA or any combination of these characters I doubt that we are ever going to know the truth. Too much time has passed and all the parties involved are long gone.
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what’s your thoughts? You touched on it but waffled a bit. Conspiracy or lone gunman?
 
Cobrabit said:
Most movies are a disservice of real events. Entertainment is the only goal with plenty of liberties taken for dramatic effect. Even documentaries can't (or wont) tell the whole story/truth.
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No doubt, and well said.

I think it sticks more for me as I totally bought into that shit as a naive kid.
 
dbldwn711 said:
ok. So you think he fired the shots but then… what exactly? He was duped into this thing? He didn’t know there was going to be a second shooter? I’m just trying to understand what you’re thinking about it.
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I do not believe he acted alone.

I do not believe he’s the only person that shot President Kennedy that day.
 
Orlando_Eagles said:
Read up more on him. He was always the victim. He easily had a solid touch of borderline personality disorder to him. Anti social, wouldn’t go to school. Found nothing around him he liked.

Went to USSR because that was going to be the thing that fixed it for him. Received attention and notoriety at first. Ate up. It stopped and he wanted out of the Soviet Union. Pissed off when he came home that not one reporter showed up.

He was anti social, yet craved attention. Of course he was going to do it and be selfishly smart enough to try to cloud his guilt.
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I’ve read plenty on him.
 
broncosmitty said:
I do not believe he acted alone.

I do not believe he’s the only person that shot President Kennedy that day.
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How many shots do you believe were fired in this scenario?
 
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broncosmitty said:
I do not believe he acted alone.

I do not believe he’s the only person that shot President Kennedy that day.
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ok. Do you think he knew someone else was gonna act WITH him (ie conspiracy) or someone else shot Kennedy but he had no foreknowledge of that persons involvement
 
dbldwn711 said:
correct.

do you think it was planted or it fell out of connleys body?
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This bullet did not pass through two men, hit multiple bones and fall out on a gurney at the hospital.
 
dbldwn711 said:
ok. Do you think he knew someone else was gonna act WITH him (ie conspiracy) or someone else shot Kennedy but he had no foreknowledge of that persons involvement
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Don’t know.

Dead men tell no tales.
 
broncosmitty said:
Two that hit the President. One in the neck, one in the head.

One or two other shots, coming from Oswald.
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what about connley? How was he injured? Same bullet that hit Kennedy or did he get shot separately ?
 
dbldwn711 said:
what about connley? How was he injured? Same bullet that hit Kennedy or did he get shot separately ?
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Could very well have been the same shot from Oswald above and behind them.

Wasn’t that bullet that’s in the National Archives. Not a chance.
 
broncosmitty said:
Could very well have been the same shot from Oswald above and behind them.

Wasn’t that bullet that’s in the National Archives. Not a chance.
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ok. Got it.

appreciate you putting your thoughts out there. I’m not trying to “gotcha”. I really am trying to have a discussion.
 
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