Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC

How long?

  • Year 1

    Votes: 6 26.1%

  • Within the first 3-5 seasons

    Votes: 9 39.1%

  • At LEAST 10 years

    Votes: 6 26.1%

  • Texas BBQ style potato salad

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • Total voters
    23
  • Poll closed .
Red_Alert said:
That's not what you implied.

So you're moving the goalposts now?
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Perhaps I wasn't clear. My point is that the state law, if one exists, isn't going to be a roadblock if the ACC starts to crumble and the universities are in survival mode.
 
Red_Alert said:
You said "right now".

Are you moving the goalposts now?
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Right now fits because adding Kansas instantly drops Big12 to 7 teams. Oklahoma and Texas are gone. In fact, both would probably team up with Kansas and support the move as it clears things up and gets them into the SEC in 2022. Kansas would be throwing them a bone but it would be in the best interest of Kansas.

B1G's worse mistake in expansion was Rutgers. How do you leave Syracuse and take Rutgers? To me, Pittsburgh and Syracuse would have been better grabs and fit better culturally in the B1G then Maryland and Rutgers.
 
To change 'legislation' a State Senator would have to craft a bill and present it to the Judiciary Committee.
The Judiciary Committee would then hear proponents and opponents then have a vote on whether to pass said bill to the floor for all other Senators to review and give their points of view (for/against).
Then the entre legislature would vote on whether to pass said bill.
 
Red_Alert said:
To change 'legislation' a State Senator would have to craft a bill and present it to the Judiciary Committee.
The Judiciary Committee would then hear proponents and opponents then have a vote on whether to pass said bill to the floor for all other Senators to review and give their points of view (for/against).
Then the entre legislature would vote on whether to pass said bill.
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As stated, it depends on the code itself. Some codes are more ironclad then others. Lawyers could probably find a loophole to get out of the bill. Generally bills are compromise and the language is never as strong as you think it is at first glance.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Right now fits because adding Kansas instantly drops Big12 to 7 teams. Oklahoma and Texas are gone. In fact, both would probably team up with Kansas and support the move as it clears things up and gets them into the SEC in 2022. Kansas would be throwing them a bone but it would be in the best interest of Kansas.

B1G's worse mistake in expansion was Rutgers. How do you leave Syracuse and take Rutgers? To me, Pittsburgh and Syracuse would have been better grabs and fit better culturally in the B1G then Maryland and Rutgers.
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No it doesn't and no they're not.

Texas, Oklahoma, and the SEC are all on record that the move won't take place until 2025 when the GOR expires.

They can hold out until 2022 in hopes KU, the Big 10, or whomever gets itchy trigger fingers.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Neither is ND because they are under contract with the ACC until 2036. Plus if they wanted to be in the B1G they would be there.
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I agree.

I doubt ND is available to the Big Ten right now. But Kansas only makes sense if you have a bigger fish lined up.
 
duckboy33 said:
I agree.

I doubt ND is available to the Big Ten right now. But Kansas only makes sense if you have a bigger fish lined up.
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Maybe they are doing the AAU route which means Kansas and Iowa State. This would be almost admitting that you really do not care about keeping up with the SEC in the Football Arena though.
 
Red_Alert said:
I'd give Colorado higher odds than Iowa St.
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That would be hilarious since Colorado was all about being in the Pac12 to be connected to California back in 2010. Kind of a change in course. Their program does seem to be recovering well so they are more attractive right now.
 
Volbound1700 said:
That would be hilarious since Colorado was all about being in the Pac12 to be connected to California back in 2010. Kind of a change in course. Their program does seem to be recovering well so they are more attractive right now.
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Todays $$$ wasn't on the table back then.
 
Another far-fetched scenario that the B1G could be after is Missouri. Not any chatter there but that would be a team that might be attractive enough to pull the trigger if you are getting Kansas. SEC would then have to go grab another team (Oklahoma State would be an easy plug-in).
 
Volbound1700 said:
Maybe they are doing the AAU route which means Kansas and Iowa State. This would be almost admitting that you really do not care about keeping up with the SEC in the Football Arena though.
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Best option for the Big Ten is probably to stay put for now and play the long game
 
duckboy33 said:
Best option for the Big Ten is probably to stay put for now and play the long game
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Agree. The media is pushing them to add teams now but I am not sure that is the best course of action either. ACC won't come up for contract until 2030. The only league that is vulnerable and has BIG NAMEs that the B1G can pull from is the Pac12. So at the moment, it is either stay put or go West.

Both the ACC and B1G have competitive schools, they just need them to play better football. Especially the ACC which has a lot of programs with great potential that are not living up to their potential (plus plenty of TV markets).
 
Volbound1700 said:
Agree. The media is pushing them to add teams now but I am not sure that is the best course of action either. ACC won't come up for contract until 2030. The only league that is vulnerable and has BIG NAMEs that the B1G can pull from is the Pac12. So at the moment, it is either stay put or go West.

Both the ACC and B1G have competitive schools, they just need them to play better football. Especially the ACC which has a lot of programs with great potential that are not living up to their potential (plus plenty of TV markets).
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PAC 12 is a logistical nightmare unless you take a bunch of west coast teams. I don't think that's on the table right now. Possibly some sort of scheduling alliance to get some high profile OOC games for TV.

The ACC is the most vulnerable league when their GOR is up because of their location. They could see programs bolt to the SEC and/or the Big Ten. Schools like UVA and UNC do a lot more for the Big Ten than the options that are available now.
 
Red_Alert said:
It's the best option for Kansas too, since there's an extra $19 million on the table if TX/OU bolt to the SEC in 2022.

Which is highly likely.
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I'm not sure about that. If Kansas actually has an offer to join the Big Ten (which I doubt), they have to accept.
 
B1G needs to either be reaching out to the PAC and the ACC or they need to be reaching out to the SEC and discussing a merger there.

I mean, we all know that is where this is all eventually leading. We are going to roughly a 50 team league, with split revenue, there own rules and governing body and probably a restructuring alignment geographically with an actual scheduling system. There will be a 3-4 permanent games for rivalries and the rest will likely rotate into having A,B,C,D schedules with an 8 team playoff. 5 region champions and 3 at large, hopefully similarly picked with how the BCS worked. Anywhere from 15-18 total games per season plus playoff. Shit, without the NCAA and a new governing body, we might even get a preseason where they play G5 or FCS opponents. This is what the NFL lite (that ppl keep saying) will look like imo.

once Disney buys the rest of Fox that is.

That is the point of all of this realignment, to set aside the big dogs, the ones with the biggest revenue, biggest fanbases, biggest following, biggest stadiums, etc... this is about weeding out the smaller guys. That is why the B1G taking on Kansas doesn't make much sense. Yeah it is good for basketball, but it isn't like the B1G sucks at basketball anyway. Kansas can join up with Creighton and join the Big East for basketball and just drop football.

I just want everything to be done already so we can stop worrying about the next moves, establish or re-establish rivalries and traditions and make CFB good again.
 
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Blackshirts BLVD said:
B1G needs to either be reaching out to the PAC and the ACC or they need to be reaching out to the SEC and discussing a merger there.

I mean, we all know that is where this is all eventually leading. We are going to roughly a 40-50 team league, with split revenue, there own rules and governing body and probably a restructuring alignment geographically with an actual scheduling system. There will be a 3-4 permanent games for rivalries and the rest will likely rotate into having A,B,C,D schedules with an 8 team playoff. 5 region champions and 3 at large, hopefully similarly picked with how the BCS worked. Anywhere from 15-18 total games per season plus playoff. Shit, without the NCAA and a new governing body, we might even get a preseason where they play G5 or FCS opponents. This is what the NFL lite (that ppl keep saying) will look like imo.

once Disney buys the rest of Fox that is.

That is the point of all of this realignment, to set aside the big dogs, the ones with the biggest revenue, biggest fanbases, biggest following, biggest stadiums, etc... this is about weeding out the smaller guys. That is why the B1G taking on Kansas doesn't make much sense. Yeah it is good for basketball, but it isn't like the B1G sucks at basketball anyway. Kansas can join up with Creighton and join the Big East for basketball and just drop football.

I just want everything to be done already so we can stop worrying about the next moves, establish or re-establish rivalries and traditions and make CFB good again.
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One issue that I see with the current Big12 members is the belief that their program will just fall off the map if they are not Power5. Programs like Boise State, BYU, Cincinnati, and UCF are NOT power 5 but have very stable and successful football programs. I hate to say this, but it is very, very unlikely that any of these 8 teams would play for a National Title if they are in a Power 5 league so from a competitive perspective, they really are not losing anything by moving to G5 status. They could rack up more wins and championships at the G5 level versus a Power 5 level.
 
Volbound1700 said:
B1G's worse mistake in expansion was Rutgers. How do you leave Syracuse and take Rutgers? To me, Pittsburgh and Syracuse would have been better grabs and fit better culturally in the B1G then Maryland and Rutgers.
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Pittsburgh does nothing for TV money. They already had the biggest prize in the state with Penn State. Going after Pitt is like making a hard push for Iowa State. Meaningless. Syracuse is a different television market than NYC. Adding them does not get the bumped rates for the BigTen Network in the NYC/NJ which accounts for about an additional $8 million a month.
 
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