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Depends on how you value life. USC is full of libtard faggot felon loving BLM socialist high tax vegans; while Norman not so much.
Lincoln Riley is a dumbass
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I am thinking that it was really down to LSU vs. USC.
Let's say LSU was offering 12M and USC is offer 15M per year. Due to cost of living, was USC really worth it? $ 15M a year is pretty crazy. If USC offered that, it makes more sense. Wouldn't that make him the highest paid coach even over Saban?
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To be fair, there are a lot of normal people in California too and some crazy conservatives. The big issue that would fly in your face wouldn't necessarily be the people but rather the Government/Nanny state controlling your life.
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You guys are not considering what other offers were on the table from him. I am sure LSU, OU, Florida, and others could have matched what USC is offering and all of these states have lower income tax, better cost of living, etc.
As stated, my uncle bailed California this summer like so many others. The government there has its hands into everything.
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Absolutely USC is worth it at that cost. Get paid roughly the same, to work in a less stressful place and an easier path to the playoffs. We just saw Dan Mullen get fired after making it to the sec championship game last year and nearly beat Bama. Orgeron fired after a couple years removed from winning it all. Even the generally shitty teams in the conference have unrealistic expectations. USC kept Clay Helton for 6 full seasons without ever really putting together a contending team (outside of the 2016 season). Both schools have plenty of local talent to make recruiting easier (although I think its easier for LSU to keep its local talent).
And while its not end all be all of the discussion, southern cal > new orleans as far as living.
People can say its a pussy move all they want, but its just a smart business decision. There's going to be 16 teams in the SEC. Nearly half of which expect to be fighting for natties each year. Which is just unrealistic and leaves half of those coaches on the hot seat after just 2-3 years in. Whereas the Pac has really just the 2.
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lol.. i think lincoln is an idiot too but using his decision to go to LA over staying in Norman or settling down in Baton Rouge, isn't one of them. Y'all really going to shit on living in LA? He's going to be making around 10 mil a year, I don't think he'll be struggling to "get by" even with the tax rate. Plus I'm sure he saved a lot of money during his time at ou.
Y'all give in way too much into politics too, SC is still one of the top jobs. They have no rival in recruiting out west, and face it, he has less obstacles (on paper) in competing for the PAC crown.. (despite the current golden era of Oregon dominance lol)
They are ranked 67 in the recruit rankings before this move, interested in seeing how much they improve per the rankings by NSD1, then NSD2.
Y'all give in way too much into politics too, SC is still one of the top jobs. They have no rival in recruiting out west, and face it, he has less obstacles (on paper) in competing for the PAC crown.. (despite the current golden era of Oregon dominance lol)
They are ranked 67 in the recruit rankings before this move, interested in seeing how much they improve per the rankings by NSD1, then NSD2.
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Is that really true? Pac12 Football has been a dying breed for decades. The sad thing is, the West Coast definitely has the population to have great viewership and ratings but no one on the West Coast with the exception of posters on boards like this watch CFB. It just doesn't have the same love it gets in the Midwest, Southeast, or Great Plains states. This is why the Pac12 is pushing to get games earlier so that they can have East Coast fans tune in to watch their games. They wouldn't have to do that if the 50-60 million people on the West Coast actually watched college football.
The Pac12 has the least number of appearances by Power 5 leagues: College Football Playoff - Wikipedia
He had the #1 recruiting class coming into Oklahoma. Compare that to USC who has the # 37 recruiting class. Unless he can conjure up some Pete Carroll type magic, USC is BY FAR a harder to place to win than Oklahoma right now.
The big inter-conference game against Notre Dame will also be harder since Brian Kelley has Notre Dame consistently contending as a top 15 team. I will say the Pac12 South is bad but will these games get enough attention to draw television views, recruits, and get the media behind you to help you make a playoff game?
Even under Pete Carroll, USC had to travel a lot to play other programs across the country to help gain relevance.
From a football perspective, this is a down grade. Oklahoma was in a far better position to compete for a title versus USC, even going to the SEC. SEC is a little down right now with the exception of Alabama, Georgia, and Ole Miss. This is why Auburn, Florida, LSU, and others have had coaching changes over the last two years. Oklahoma was in a great position to make a splash early in the SEC.
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There are four coaches that made major downgrade coaching moves that I remember:
1. Dennis Franchione leaving Alabama for Texas A&M
2. Brett Beliema leaving Wisconsin for Arkansas
3. Jimbo Fisher leaving FSU for Texas A&M
4. Lincoln Riley leaving Oklahoma for USC
50% of these moves have already ended in failure and ended up being bad decisions.
1. Dennis Franchione leaving Alabama for Texas A&M
2. Brett Beliema leaving Wisconsin for Arkansas
3. Jimbo Fisher leaving FSU for Texas A&M
4. Lincoln Riley leaving Oklahoma for USC
50% of these moves have already ended in failure and ended up being bad decisions.
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I'd move to SoCal if only for the women. No millions needed, but would be appreciated, just the women.
The only thing that would give me reservation if I was Riley or USC is what happened with Kiffin there. He was a big get too, coming out of a big conference and a big name program and within 3 years was fired. You'd have to think they're bringing in Riley not with the expectation of competing for conference championships but to compete for natties and that's a big ask.
The only thing that would give me reservation if I was Riley or USC is what happened with Kiffin there. He was a big get too, coming out of a big conference and a big name program and within 3 years was fired. You'd have to think they're bringing in Riley not with the expectation of competing for conference championships but to compete for natties and that's a big ask.
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Lincoln getting hired by SC is NOTHING like Lane leaving TN for SC.. Lincoln has skins on the wall, while Lane didn't other than being an ex-NFL coach, and the son of an elite DC that was on his staff.
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It’s a brilliant move when you think about it.
He was likely gonna be fired soon anyway at OU. Can’t win the stinkin Big12 anymore and they are heading to the SEC soon??
Yea his free ride was about over anyway there. He get’s SC to where they SHOULD be in the PAC the money will flow just fine and he will be there longer than he was going to be at OU post Big12 anyway so… smart move by Riley imho.
He was likely gonna be fired soon anyway at OU. Can’t win the stinkin Big12 anymore and they are heading to the SEC soon??
Yea his free ride was about over anyway there. He get’s SC to where they SHOULD be in the PAC the money will flow just fine and he will be there longer than he was going to be at OU post Big12 anyway so… smart move by Riley imho.
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The Pac has had the least amount of appearances because its sucked overall and no one has stepped up enough yet. Which is exactly why its an easier path. The ACC would be in a very similar position if it weren't for Clemson. I'm not saying Riley is going to build USC to what Clemson has done, but its going to be easier to do there than in the SEC.
Oklahoma is not going to have the #1 recruiting class anymore (although i thought we were comparing LSU and USC) . And USC is about to take a pretty big jump. USC has lots of local talent. And those that follow recruiting around here more than me can maybe confirm this, but Helton was never really a great recruiter and much of that talent wasn't staying.
Sure theres the big Notre Dame game each year. But depending on how the SEC aligns itself, he would instead be playing Bama, LSU, Barn and a mix of Georgia, Florida each year. So that schedule is still going to be easier.
SEC is down? This is exactly what I was talking about unrealistic expectations. Florida nearly won the SEC last year. And nearly beat Bama again this year. Yes they digressed a lot as the season went on, but that doesn't typically get someone fired after one bad year. LSU just won a natty two years ago. Do you want each team in the SEC to be winning 10+ games each year for it to be considered not down? That's impossible. And then they are going to throw in Oklahoma and Texas. Which is only going to make it harder for most of the SEC to win the conference. So when Oklahoma doesn't win the conference in the first 3 years, is the head coach going to be on the hot seat? Where as at USC, he can win 1 and coast for how many years?
You can call it a downgrade all you want, but its a smart business decision.
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He is going to make 15 million a year? The PAC only distributed like 32 million per team. Almost half is going towards one salary and by the time you have a coaching staff put together you will be way over half in just football salary.
This salary stuff has gotten out of control. These ADs are going to get themselves in big time trouble.
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Regarding SEC being down, the clear issue with Florida and LSU is that they did not finish the season anywhere near their preseason ranking. Even in down years, Florida and LSU should be 8-4 teams at worse instead of 6-6 teams.
The SEC only has 3 top 15 teams right now. I would say that is down. The SEC also lost a lot of OOC games like Pittsburgh over Tennessee, UCLA over LSU, Penn State over Auburn, Memphis over Miss State, etc. It wasn't a banner year for the SEC. 2019 was a better year.
LSU has more talent than USC right now as well and has a more rabid fanbase. Not to mention the cost of living makes a lot of sense there. IMO, USC probably outbid LSU. LSU does have the Alabama/Saban headache to deal with though.
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All you've done here is perpetuate the unrealistic expectations that get coaches fired. Yes 6-6 is a bad year for both LSU and Florida. LSU also just won a Natty two years ago. That typically buys some time. Florida just made it to the SEC championship last year. That typically buys some time. In the SEC, it doesn't apparently. And now you are going to add two more programs to the conference that have similar, if not even higher expectations. Someone has to lose the games, and the more good programs you add to the conference, it obviously becomes much more difficult to not have a down year. Oklahoma is about to go from winning he conference every single year to trying to win one every 3-5 years. The fan base is going to turn on that real quick. He could easily be on the hot seat in just a few years, even if he is putting up great teams.
And you keep bringing up this cost of living shit. So what? If the reports are true, he's going to be making nearly $15 mil. Even if taxes take out a large chunk of it, you're going to live a great life regardless of where you live if you are taking in $10 mil a year. And I would much rather live in southern cal than the baton rouge-new orleans area.
And I don't care about a rabid fanbase. A rabid fanbase makes the game and fan experience a lot more fun. But, I'll keep bringing it back up, it also brings unrealistic expectations. Sure if you can win consistently like Saban, its amazing. But if not, goodbye. It doesn't matter if you reach the pinnacle. If you can't maintain it, which is nearly impossible, its going to be a rough going.
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Exactly. It's LA. It's one of the best sporting markets in the world, at one of the top schools for college football. It's also a private school, so you can get away with a lot more shit than you could at a public university. He's also in a recruiting hotbed state, surrounded by neighboring hotbeds and in a conference ripe for winning.
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LSU has a dramatically harder path to a division/conference/national title. Especially once OU and Texas are in the SEC. They're going to end up feasting on each other and killing title hopes of probably a lot of really good teams. At USC you get good and you're the king of that conference right now.
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Orgeron was let go for off the field issues.
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Geez man, still can't let go that Gray and that OT left y'all for Norman last summer?