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Pays for three different sites….claims to be be smart.
How did the best head coaches do in the first 6 years?
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Nobody in their right mind would ever predict a young(ish) coach to do what Saban has done. It never happened before and will probably never happen again.
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The fans of elite programs in talent rich states will tell you their coach would be fine, but they don't realize they lose that enormous built in advantage.
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It will happen again, unless they change recruiting. It is going to be the same 4, 5 ,6 schools every year competing for the national title.
The gap between the select few programs and everyone else is bigger than it has ever been. One of those programs could easily go on a run -- if i had to pick one, I'd pick Georgia, as they have the biggest advantage recruiting out of any program.
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To his credit, the Longhorns fan is a douche and there's nothing wrong with putting people on ignore. Seeing less low-grade trolling/name-calling and more actual discussion/debate would be nice.
Recruiting doesn't carry as much weight as he thinks it does, though.
But subscribing to 3 pay sites? Yeah, fuck all that.
Yeah, a lot of them think their high dollar coach could recruit at the same level as they do now at a less than "destination" program. I'd like to see if Saban, Dabo, Day, Smart, Fisher, etc could recruit at the same level they do now to places like Pullman, Lubbock, Manhattan (the Kansas one), etc. I don't think so....cuz I know sumpin' about trying to recruit to out of the way places fo sho.
Just watching college hoops and they were discussing some long time assistants at some "major" programs. And those assistants have mostly indicated they'd prefer to stay put instead of taking a mid major or a "lower" P5 job.
I thought, hoops ain't the same as football. A mid major or a "lower" P5 job has a lot better chance of success in hoops than one of those in football. Or at least that is the case IMHO. Hell, at last year's final four, 3 of the 4 were in that category...2 of which were "mid majors" per se. Only UCLA is "major". While Gonzaga and Houston aren't normal mid majors, neither school has P5 football money to help boost things. And it hasn't been that long that no one would even touch Baylor.
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You could put Saban at Nebraska or Michigan and he isn't bringing in a class even close to what he does at Bama. You could put Smart at Nebraska or Michigan and he isn't bringing in a class even close to what he does at Georgia.
Why? Because they lose roughly 2-3 five star recruits a year from their backyard they have signed on average at their current school. A new coach will be in their position at Bama or Georgia and those kids who grew up dreaming of playing for those schools will sign with those coaches.
It isn't terribly difficult to grasp, but fans like to believe their coach is inventing the wheel, and that's why they get the 5 star recruits. Reality is -- the in state 5 star guys work as extra recruiters for the college they choose. 5 star recruits want to play with other elite recruits. It is why the elite recruiting programs are located in...........talent rich states.
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Must be tough being a pour. It's only a couple hundred a year ... save up your money and you may be able to sign up for one for a year.
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When people make this argument that anyone could have done what Smart did, I simply ask, "why haven't they?" Why have all the coaches failed at Texas? Texas has all the advantages that UGA has. Yet coach after coach has failed. Florida, same thing ... coming off 2 NCs, with Florida recruits which is no. 1 in the country, and yet coach after coach has failed since Meyer. I agree with the argument that recruiting in the south is easier ... I've made that argument myself when having discussion with Nebraska fans. But having that advantage and then turning it into something are two different things. Otherwise, anyone could do it and obviously not everyone can do it.
Smart would have made Baylor better by instilling Saban's system and being a tireless recruiter. But, Baylor has disadvantages that are harder to overcome. Let's not forget for much of their existence, Baylor has been Vandy in Texas when it comes to sports. Not sure what Rhule would have done. Richt hit a wall. All the Florida coaches struck out.
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College football is basically my main hobby. Why wouldn't I pay for information? The money I pay isn't even a rounding error to me, so why not? I also pay for a Patreon site that is really good at breaking down UGA film. Should I not do that? Hell, the amount I pay for info pales in comparison to what I pay for tickets, travel, etc.
I was once really into fishing ... the amount I spent on fishing gear, a boat, travel, etc. was way more than what I pay for some CFB intel sites.
247 VIP membership allows us to view other sites and that is the way I get non-UGA info. I also come here to see what other people think. Like my politics, I don't like being in an echo chamber all the time. I want to hear what other people are saying. Compared to other sites, the Bama and LSU fans here are good guys, for the most part. There are some other really good posters here. Then there are some 100% trolls ... don't have time for that even if I engage with them from time to time. Look, if people want to be trolls, power to them. My times is just to valuable to me to spend too much time engaging them.
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Whether it is tradition, or historical success, certainly being in the south, some programs are always going to be at the top. Let's face it ... the SEC has the Big 6 + ATM. B12 has Texas and OU. B1G has tOSU, UM, PSU, Wisky and I'll even throw Nebraska in there for their past. The PAC has UCLA, USC and Oregon. The ACC has Clemson, FSU and Miami. For the most part, that's it. Like basketball has Duke, UNC, Louisville, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA and a few others, those are going to be your powers most of the time. I think hoops teams, which require only 15 players can rise up, but the main ones have staying power.
Coaches, even the best ones, are going to do better at the elite programs I listed above. Let's say your put Smart or Saban at K State. They might do better with their systems that they run. But, likely not ... there are too many disadvantages in Manhattan. But the opposite isn't true ... you can't just drop coaches into the elite programs and they are guaranteed to win. This is conjecture ... we've seen the Florida teams be irrelevant for 2 decades (Miami mostly, UF and FSU have had success and NCs). They've also had tough times and run through a plethora of coaches who didn't make it.
I didn't bring up schools like Texas. I didn't compare Smart with Hermann's or Strong's situations. I compared Smart's with Rhule's. The reason coaches have failed at Texas is because they haven't been very good coaches. They had all the built in advantages that Baylor doesn't. The ones you referenced below. I just don't see Smart being able to win the natty at Baylor because of those built in disadvantages you referenced. And it isn't a given Rhule would have had the success Smart has at Georgia. Maybe he couldn't handle the more "high profile" jobs. But he damn sure didn't have the talent at Baylor he would have had at Georgia and brought them out of a shitstorm. Rhule had a Chevy to drive. Smart's had a Maserati.
Those disadvantages are the point. Most think Baylor's (and P5s like them) disadvantages are on the recruiting side because they DO get P5 money. While not all the same amount, it is still a lot closer to top dog P5 money than G5 money. And as I referenced in the other post, even Waco is easier to recruit to than Pullman, Lubbock or Manhattan, KS.
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Last week my wife and I spent three nights in Fort Worth with my daughters families...the four adults and seven grands ranging in age from 7-17. Since we were going to be in the DFW area, we decided we'd go to Vegas for three nights after we'd met our grandparent duties.
Even after travel, lodging, and three days of LOSING gambling, we'd still spent less money in Vegas than we did in Fort Worth! Grandkids are a very expensive hobby!
But worth every dollar.
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Why even play the games? It's all about recruiting. Just hand out natty trophies to the best recruiting class and move on to basketball.
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I'm not a douche, asshole.. I'm a savant. Btw u don't have to subscribe to all 3 or 4, for UT fans, paysites. There's fan boards specifically for your school that puts them up for free.
I just laugh at anyone suggesting rivals is legit.
Anyways #HookEm
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Do you deny that the teams with the best recruits win? Not just football, it’s also hoops although hoops can put together an older experienced class and win it.
At the end of the day, with rare exceptions the teams with the best players have always won CFB. The main difference today is that a smaller number of teams have really separated themselves from everyone else. Hoping NIL, free agency and expanded CFP drives some parity in recruiting. That’s against my best interests, but is good for my CFB love.
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LOL … misspelling “poor” and “old” is an internet sports board thing. Stick around and you’ll smarten up.
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I actually think we agree although you think we disagree.
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If college football is just about winning the CFB, then just crown the recruiting champs. No sense wasting all that time and money playing the games. However, it is about the next game. It is about the work and challenging yourself. As a Wisconsin fan, a game against South Dakota is as important as a game against Georgia. 60 minutes of football. Saturday afternoons. All that other stuff does not interest me at all.