Thirsty Thursday

I'm just saying let's give a ballpark here. I don't care is such a bullshit cop out response. The absolute worst ever.

If I was a younger man the minute I encountered a chick tell me she doesn't care I would make it my mission to get the most fucked up shit possible and then just be like..."you said you didn't care"

"Enjoy your chocolate covered grasshopper and a side of salt and vinegar chips"
 
dbldwn711 said:
fair enough man. I got the sense that you enjoyed it more than you did. If you did it out of necessity rather than desire then just enjoy from the stands. My buddy really enjoys it. His daughter got a scholarship to play flag football in college and she’s begging him to help out with coaching. My buddy knows not to do that but a lot of the girls on the team are from Vegas so he will take them out and show them some stuff in the off season when they come back home.

I was just saying don’t quit bc of the other parents. Fuck them.
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No, it’s not like that at all. I’m a narcissistic, self-centered introvert bordering on being a sociopath (self diagnosed) and I don’t work well with most people (I work extremely well with like-minded people which is why I succeeded in banking).

I’m a very results oriented type who has no time for feelings. Figure it out. I got shit when we were unbeaten and demolishing everybody and I got shit when we couldn’t win a game. No win situation. I’m assuming things get taken much more seriously at the higher levels as these kids and their parents are weeded out by talent.
 
White Knight said:
Yes, lots of beta cuck dads out there.
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Some of these guys had 10 year olds and they’re out there teaching that “records don’t matter. Wins and losses don’t matter at this level yadda yadda”

Easy to say when your kid can’t get a first down let alone score.

I always wondered at what age do these things matter? Maybe never. Explains a lot. Certainly an interesting experience.

Probably why people take “mental days” off work now. Soft since forever.
 
stakesarehigh said:
I'm just saying let's give a ballpark here. I don't care is such a bullshit cop out response. The absolute worst ever.

If I was a younger man the minute I encountered a chick tell me she doesn't care I would make it my mission to get the most fucked up shit possible and then just be like..."you said you didn't care"

"Enjoy your chocolate covered grasshopper and a side of salt and vinegar chips"
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Trouble in paradise, eh?
 
dbldwn711 said:
fair enough man. I got the sense that you enjoyed it more than you did. If you did it out of necessity rather than desire then just enjoy from the stands. My buddy really enjoys it. His daughter got a scholarship to play flag football in college and she’s begging him to help out with coaching. My buddy knows not to do that but a lot of the girls on the team are from Vegas so he will take them out and show them some stuff in the off season when they come back home.

I was just saying don’t quit bc of the other parents. Fuck them.
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Say....what?
 
RobBase (c) said:
Some of these guys had 10 year olds and they’re out there teaching that “records don’t matter. Wins and losses don’t matter at this level yadda yadda”

Easy to say when your kid can’t get a first down let alone score.

I always wondered at what age do these things matter? Maybe never. Explains a lot. Certainly an interesting experience.

Probably why people take “mental days” off work now. Soft since forever.
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See, I see it differently. The kids are going to want to compete. I know that the kids were keeping score in the soccer league Ham played in the last two seasons. Coaches only tracked the score to prevent games from turning into beatings.

Coaches should be teaching, and winning comes as a byproduct of that. If the players are focused on getting better at their game, they'll improve, and the team will improve.

Unless you're in a position where you're held accountable for your wins and losses, winning shouldn't be your (the coach's) focus. The kids will care about it, certainly, but it should be more important that all your kids got better and are coming back next season than you went 12-0 and won the 8-year-old baseball league.

All-star tournaments, knock yourself out. Put your best players in their best spots, and play to win. Town ball games, where everyone has to get on the field and has to hit? Put the kids in places where they can succeed and let them play.

Not advocating for the uncoordinated kid who can't run to play the most at shortstop in a town ball league, but give him a shot there if he asks to do it. If he just wants to play right field and pick dandelions, let him do that. At the end of the day, if my town ball team doesn't win a game, what's the worst thing that happens to me? I don't get asked to volunteer to coach again?
 
MTVike said:
Say....what?
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yeah man… it’s a thing now! It’s actually “sponsored” by the NFL. She goes to school in Kansas and they gave her a partial scholarship for playing.
 
Guy Incognito said:
See, I see it differently. The kids are going to want to compete. I know that the kids were keeping score in the soccer league Ham played in the last two seasons. Coaches only tracked the score to prevent games from turning into beatings.

Coaches should be teaching, and winning comes as a byproduct of that. If the players are focused on getting better at their game, they'll improve, and the team will improve.

Unless you're in a position where you're held accountable for your wins and losses, winning shouldn't be your (the coach's) focus. The kids will care about it, certainly, but it should be more important that all your kids got better and are coming back next season than you went 12-0 and won the 8-year-old baseball league.

All-star tournaments, knock yourself out. Put your best players in their best spots, and play to win. Town ball games, where everyone has to get on the field and has to hit? Put the kids in places where they can succeed and let them play.

Not advocating for the uncoordinated kid who can't run to play the most at shortstop in a town ball league, but give him a shot there if he asks to do it. If he just wants to play right field and pick dandelions, let him do that. At the end of the day, if my town ball team doesn't win a game, what's the worst thing that happens to me? I don't get asked to volunteer to coach again?
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It can be tough if you're a competitive person/coach at the Little League level, because you've got to play every kid regardless of his/her ability. And really, that's how it should be at that level.

Not sure the win/loss calculus really should matter before High School. Years prior are for social, physical, and athletic development, not for the gratification of the parents.
 
dbldwn711 said:
yeah man… it’s a thing now! It’s actually “sponsored” by the NFL. She goes to school in Kansas and they gave her a partial scholarship for playing.
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I'll be dipped.
 
MTVike said:
I'll be dipped.
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they stream their games so we are able to watch her (and the team) play. They are headed out to see her this weekend. There’s something to do with the team. I think it’s a “homecoming” type thing.
 
MTVike said:
It can be tough if you're a competitive person/coach at the Little League level, because you've got to play every kid regardless of his/her ability. And really, that's how it should be at that level.

Not sure the win/loss calculus really should matter before High School. Years prior are for social, physical, and athletic development, not for the gratification of the parents.
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Pretty much.

The kids care, but the point is not to emphasize winning. They're out there to get better.

If you're trying to get people to enroll in your camps, or pay you to go to tournaments and stuff like that, you know what? Fine, focus on winning. I get it. Whether I want my kids to be a part of that is another story.

Pretty much at the point that you stop having volunteers is where winning "matters".
 
Guy Incognito said:
See, I see it differently. The kids are going to want to compete. I know that the kids were keeping score in the soccer league Ham played in the last two seasons. Coaches only tracked the score to prevent games from turning into beatings.

Coaches should be teaching, and winning comes as a byproduct of that. If the players are focused on getting better at their game, they'll improve, and the team will improve.

Unless you're in a position where you're held accountable for your wins and losses, winning shouldn't be your (the coach's) focus. The kids will care about it, certainly, but it should be more important that all your kids got better and are coming back next season than you went 12-0 and won the 8-year-old baseball league.

All-star tournaments, knock yourself out. Put your best players in their best spots, and play to win. Town ball games, where everyone has to get on the field and has to hit? Put the kids in places where they can succeed and let them play.

Not advocating for the uncoordinated kid who can't run to play the most at shortstop in a town ball league, but give him a shot there if he asks to do it. If he just wants to play right field and pick dandelions, let him do that. At the end of the day, if my town ball team doesn't win a game, what's the worst thing that happens to me? I don't get asked to volunteer to coach again?
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The kids absolutely care. The parents can’t give the kids outs and excuses fast enough which just then completely confuses and demotivates them. It doesn’t help when 6 dads are trying to give directions all at the same time while the actual OC (me) stands there waiting for them all to shut up so I can get my play in.

This HC (a guy I had never met) was just completely unorganized and incompatible to work with. Sending kids into the huddle without any direction. No idea what position they were supposed to play. I had 30 sec to figure out what he was trying to do, fix it and get lined up every play. When I had full control it was a totally different scene.

This dude - LOL - I learned a lot about my patience here - this guy INSISTED we run the HB fake pass. I kept telling him it wouldn’t work in this league. He would not let it go. So now I’m not even the OC I’m just the dick who gets his call his dumb plays. Even when it didn’t work he swore up and down that it would the next time. At one point I just gave him the playbook and told him to show me what I’m doing wrong. Spoiler: it didn’t work for him either.

My kid played well. Learned a good lesson to play hard even when losing. Yadda yadda.
 
MTVike said:
It can be tough if you're a competitive person/coach at the Little League level, because you've got to play every kid regardless of his/her ability. And really, that's how it should be at that level.

Not sure the win/loss calculus really should matter before High School. Years prior are for social, physical, and athletic development, not for the gratification of the parents.
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The league keeps score/records. They host playoffs. Nationally ranked tournament teams who very much care.

All the kids play. I did my best to prepare them
for the next stage. 11 on 11 football where everybody plays but everybody doesn’t play WR, RB and QB.

Honestly - if I’m building character in these kids, why am I going to play the slow or fat kid at RB where I know he is going to fail? He fails in practice so why do that to him in the game? I did my best to find the position each kid was best at. Give them opportunities to succeed whether it be on O or D, feel good about himself, build up that confidence,

I had this one kid who was an animal at MLB. Nobody got by him. I played him at MLB every time he got out there. I put him at WR or RB you would think the kid has mental issues. Just run directly out of bounds. Just wasn’t his position.

They get to 11 on 11 w real coaches and they become O linemen, or safeties etc

“The same kids are always scoring!” as if I’m just taking turns deciding who gets to catch bombs off wheel routes at 8 years old lol
 
Guy Incognito said:
Pretty much.

The kids care, but the point is not to emphasize winning. They're out there to get better.

If you're trying to get people to enroll in your camps, or pay you to go to tournaments and stuff like that, you know what? Fine, focus on winning. I get it. Whether I want my kids to be a part of that is another story.

Pretty much at the point that you stop having volunteers is where winning "matters".
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Prob why so many teens and young adults don’t want to go ti school, go to work, work hard for anything etc…

They’ve never been a winner at anything in life so why start now?
 
RobBase (c) said:
Prob why so many teens and young adults don’t want to go ti school, go to work, work hard for anything etc…

They’ve never been a winner at anything in life so why start now?
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That's ridiculous. Learning how to lose is also an important life lesson, as is learning how to deal with other kids and how to take instruction.
 
MTVike said:
That's ridiculous. Learning how to lose is also an important life lesson, as is learning how to deal with other kids and how to take instruction.
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Learning how to handle winning is as important as learning how to handle losing.

Looking at you, @Illustrious Potentate
 
MTVike said:
That's ridiculous. Learning how to lose is also an important life lesson, as is learning how to deal with other kids and how to take instruction.
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Cant lose if the record and score don’t matter. No lesson there.
 
Never too early to install personal pride in your kids. A clean room. A good grade. A W in sports. All things as the result of working and succeeding. What’s the alternative? A kid sitting around a dumpy room, getting poor grades and losing games on the weekends all because winning isn’t important yet?

You want to raise kids who feel good about themselves and without self esteem issues? Be fucking honest to them from day 1. Yes, winning matters. In every game they’ve ever seen on TV there is a score. Stop treating your kids like idiots. You’re here. We practice an hour (or more) a week. We may as well win the game.

And if we lose we lose but let’s not pretend losing is fun. It’s part of life, but it’s not fun, and anybody that tells you it is is lying to your face. In every game there is a winner and a loser every time. May as well try to win.
 
RobBase (c) said:
Never too early to install personal pride in your kids. A clean room. A good grade. A W in sports. All things as the result of working and succeeding. What’s the alternative? A kid sitting around a dumpy room, getting poor grades and losing games on the weekends all because winning isn’t important yet?

You want to raise kids who feel good about themselves and without self esteem issues? Be fucking honest to them from day 1. Yes, winning matters. In every game they’ve ever seen on TV there is a score. Stop treating your kids like idiots. You’re here. We practice an hour (or more) a week. We may as well win the game.

And if we lose we lose but let’s not pretend losing is fun. It’s part of life, but it’s not fun, and anybody that tells you it is is lying to your face. In every game there is a winner and a loser every time. May as well try to win.
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Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic mechanism, from which one extracts what one needs.
 
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