2024 Recruiting Thread

[Thiefery]

One last thing here ... again, congrats Mizzou. This was from a recruiting guy at UGA Rivals ... I don't normally post the paywall stuff, but this was interesting and matches what he said to On3 when interviewed:

Georgia finished runner-up here. Not Oklahoma. This has been a Georgia-Missouri battle for about a month as we have reported. Some disagreements among the family about where to go. Even Williams himself was not sold on Missouri over Georgia. I do think the NIL thing pushed it over the top in the end.

I never included Williams Nwaneri in my class prediction because of NIL. I thought it would win out in the end. But I do know Georgia made he and his family think twice, even three times about the final choice. The announcement delays were just that. I do think Kirby will continue to recruit Williams but I think this one is all but over in my opinion.

In that he can start getting NIL on August 28th, him starting at Mizzou makes sense. What will be interesting is what happens if Mizzou's HC gets canned, or he gets a bunch of money and then decides to hit the portal. Normally I am all Ricky Bobby on this - if you ain't first, you're last. But here, being second could mean a lot if he portals.

On to McCray and Breland. McCray is an edge guy, while Breland is more of 3 tech.

One guy to keep an eye on is Steve Mboumoua ... he reclassified from 2025 to 2024 and is from Canada so he's flown under the radar.

Steve Bolo Mboumoua, Alabama Crimson Tide, Defensive Line

Grew up in Cameroon where he played soccer at an early age. ---- 2022: Totaled 52 tackles (9 TFL), 9 sacks and a FF at Notre Dame de Foy in Canada.

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Steve Mboumoua, 2024 Strongside Defensive End

lol feels like you are taking this more personally than ou fans even.. UGA will be ok, not sure you need to bring up all the other guys name when we are just talking about this kid.

He lives in Missouri.. he lives an hour and a half away. Sometimes it's simpler than we think.

Saw this on twitter as well

 

[ericd7633]

That's what I meant. I never said their defense was horrible, but mutiger said their defense was one of the best which just isn't true.

I'm not sure where you get that they could have beaten K-State in a game they lost by 28 with half of their points coming on the final play of the game. To be fair, Wake Forest also took a knee inside the Mizzou 10 to kill the final minute off the clock, in addition to WF turning the ball over in the red zone in the first half, so it easily could've been over 37.

They were a solid defense but not spectacular, I'd say right around 40-50th. Again, it's not like they faced a gauntlet of offenses through the year. They had one good showing against UGA.

I'm saying if they had any semblance of ST and offense they could have. They had only given up 13 points heading into the 4th qtr, and were down by 20. That's deflating when you play that well and are still getting blown out.

As for the wake game, I'm going to give the defense credit for those TO's. That is something they can control. They can't control the offense turning it over and the other team already being in FG position. Also, the only reason they were inside the 10 was because Missouri turned it over on downs.

They were a good defense. Definitely better than what you're giving them credit for. The WF and Kansas State games were actually good performances based on opponent and circumstances.

 

[Wishbone]

lol feels like you are taking this more personally than ou fans even.. UGA will be ok, not sure you need to bring up all the other guys name when we are just talking about this kid.

He lives in Missouri.. he lives an hour and a half away. Sometimes it's simpler than we think.

Saw this on twitter as well
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BV has done pretty well with DL, Muleshoe hasn't done shit for any defensive position. We need to land David Stone in this class though. It's hard to get a kid out of their home State{See Colton Vasek). And when money bags are dropped it's even harder. I'm numb to it after the DJ Hicks thing last year. Nwarni is going to be a stud and wished we have him. But I'm not going to dwell on it like Georgia fan.

 

[Across The Field]

I'm saying if they had any semblance of ST and offense they could have. They had only given up 13 points heading into the 4th qtr, and were down by 20. That's deflating when you play that well and are still getting blown out.

As for the wake game, I'm going to give the defense credit for those TO's. That is something they can control. They can't control the offense turning it over and the other team already being in FG position. Also, the only reason they were inside the 10 was because turned it over on downs.

They were a good defense. Definitely better than what you're giving them credit for. The WF and Kansas State games were actually good performances based on opponent and circumstances.

You're going to great lengths to find exceptions for the KSU game being a good performance. I understand their offense was lackluster but you can't shit on their ST, it was top 50 in the efficiency rankings. If anything, you should be crediting KSU's ST, which wasn't ranked much higher.

You can't credit Mizzou's defense for WF taking a knee inside the 10. Coming off a TO or not is irrelevant. WF's defense wasn't ranked much higher than Mizzou's offense (67 vs 77) and it was Mizzou's only TO that day.

Again, they were a decently solid defense but I wouldn't even say they were good. The same efficiency rankings have OSU's defense at 21st and they were ass.

 

[ericd7633]

You're going to great lengths to find exceptions for the KSU game being a good performance. I understand their offense was lackluster but you can't shit on their ST, it was top 50 in the efficiency rankings. If anything, you should be crediting KSU's ST, which wasn't ranked much higher.

You can't credit Mizzou's defense for WF taking a knee inside the 10. Coming off a TO or not is irrelevant. WF's defense wasn't ranked much higher than Mizzou's offense (67 vs 77) and it was Mizzou's only TO that day.

Again, they were a decently solid defense but I wouldn't even say they were good. The same efficiency rankings have OSU's defense at 21st and they were ass.

Their ST gave up a punt TD against KSU. Those points shouldn't be attributed to the defense. I'm not shitting on their ST, but they gave up a TD that day. And yes, credit to the KSU ST.

I'm not crediting their defense for Wake taking a knee. I'm saying the ONLY reason Wake was inside the top to begin with was because the offense gave them the ball there. If Missouri punts it, Wake still takes a knee. It doesn't matter where the ball was is my point. You're acting like Wake drove down the field and took a knee.

Guess we'll just have to disagree. I'd consider them to be good defensively. Likewise with OSU. Who I would also consider good.

 

[Across The Field]

Their ST gave up a punt TD against KSU. Those points shouldn't be attributed to the defense. I'm not shitting on their ST, but they gave up a TD that day. And yes, credit to the KSU ST.

I'm not crediting their defense for Wake taking a knee. I'm saying the ONLY reason Wake was inside the top to begin with was because the offense gave them the ball there. If Missouri punts it, Wake still takes a knee. It doesn't matter where the ball was is my point. You're acting like Wake drove down the field and took a knee.

Guess we'll just have to disagree. I'd consider them to be good defensively. Likewise with OSU. Who I would also consider good.

I never said the punt return should be attributed to the defense, but they still gave up 33 other points (and KSU missed a FG). KSU had 4 TD drives averaging 62 yards per drive and only one of those was off a TO, and that was still a 59 yard TD drive. It just simply wasn't an good day for Mizzou.

I would say in this conversation it's you who is being the OSU homer, because outside of maybe a couple games that defense was mediocre at best. They were exploited by over half of our schedule.

 

[Thiefery]

BV has done pretty well with DL, Muleshoe hasn't done shit for any defensive position. We need to land David Stone in this class though. It's hard to get a kid out of their home State{See Colton Vasek). And when money bags are dropped it's even harder. I'm numb to it after the DJ Hicks thing last year. Nwarni is going to be a stud and wished we have him. But I'm not going to dwell on it like Georgia fan.

yeah man.. i agree y'all need to get Stone in the class

 

[ericd7633]

I never said the punt return should be attributed to the defense, but they still gave up 33 other points (and KSU missed a FG). KSU had 4 TD drives averaging 62 yards per drive and only one of those was off a TO, and that was still a 59 yard TD drive. It just simply wasn't an good day for Mizzou.

I would say in this conversation it's you who is being the OSU homer, because outside of maybe a couple games that defense was mediocre at best. They were exploited by over half of our schedule.

So you're going to hold it against the defense because on 2 of those FG's the defense gave up a total of 16 yards on 10 plays? Statistically that's playing great defense. Again, the offense put them in an awful position. And yeah, they gave up two 4th qtr TD's after the game was over. They only gave up 336 yards of offense, which was 83 yards less than what KSU avg.

 

[Across The Field]

So you're going to hold it against the defense because on 2 of those FG's the defense gave up a total of 16 yards on 10 plays? Statistically that's playing great defense. Again, the offense put them in an awful position. And yeah, they gave up two 4th qtr TD's after the game was over. They only gave up 336 yards of offense, which was 83 yards less than what KSU avg.

No, I'm going to hold it against the defense that they gave up 4 fairly long TD drives. They didn't even need any of the FGs so how well Mizzou played on those drives is moot. They had 4 drives to play "statistically great defense" but instead they shit the bed. That's not a good defensive effort, any way you slice it.

 

[ericd7633]

No, I'm going to hold it against the defense that they gave up 4 fairly long TD drives. They didn't even need any of the FGs so how well Mizzou played on those drives is moot. They had 4 drives to play "statistically great defense" but instead they shit the bed. That's not a good defensive effort, any way you slice it.

And two of those came in the 4th qtr, after the offense and ST let them down the entire game. I mean how would you react as a defensive unit if you've given up 14 points heading into the 4th qtr and your offense just turned it over for the FOURTH consecutive series. I don't blame them if they didn't give a shit after that. Like I said they only gave up 336 yards, which is well below the KSU avg.

 

[Across The Field]

And two of those came in the 4th qtr, after the offense and ST let them down the entire game. I mean how would you react as a defensive unit if you've given up 14 points heading into the 4th qtr and your offense just turned it over for the FOURTH consecutive series. I don't blame them if they didn't give a shit after that. Like I said they only gave up 336 yards, which is well below the KSU avg.

It was 26-6 going into the 4th quarter and 33-6 within 2 minutes. They had given up 2 TDs and 2 FGs going into the 4th. So what if they'd turned it over 4 straight times? Half of KSU's points happened before the first INT was even thrown. Here's the thing - Adrian Martinez was dogshit throwing the ball all day long and 70% of their yards were on the ground, so Missouri's defense knew what it needed to do and they couldn't do it. The FG drives were irrelevant since they weren't even remotely needed. This simply wasn't a good outing.

 

[Codaxx]

The NFL will find him, but development matters. S&C, etc. Playing with the best everyday matters. If he lives up to his talent, he will get double-teamed every play. That doesn't happen when you have other 5* and high 4* around you. Will he be developed well enough to be a top-15 pick vs. a second-round pick? There are tens of millions of difference there.

Best way to develop players is to recruit players that don’t much developing. This kid looks like one of those. As long as he keeps himself out of trouble, he will likely end up in the league

 

[Codaxx]

LOL, Mizzou had one of the best defenses last season.....Isaiah McGuire was a beast last season. Mizzou is known for turning out some good DL's. DL will be really good this season as well

Missouri finished 36th in yards per play, 21st in FEI, and 29th available yards. That is solid, not one of the best.

 

[ericd7633]

It was 26-6 going into the 4th quarter and 33-6 within 2 minutes. They had given up 2 TDs and 2 FGs going into the 4th. So what if they'd turned it over 4 straight times? Half of KSU's points happened before the first INT was even thrown. Here's the thing - Adrian Martinez was dogshit throwing the ball all day long and 70% of their yards were on the ground, so Missouri's defense knew what it needed to do and they couldn't do it. The FG drives were irrelevant since they weren't even remotely needed. This simply wasn't a good outing.

Yes, and 12 of those points were attributed to bad ST and offense. The defense played quite well on a down to down basis. They only gave up 4.01 ypp through the first 3 quarters. To play that elite on defense and still being down by 20 is quite deflating.

 

[Across The Field]

Yes, and 12 of those points were attributed to bad ST and offense. The defense played quite well on a down to down basis. They only gave up 4.01 ypp through the first 3 quarters. To play that elite on defense and still being down by 20 is quite deflating.

If I ever used the excuse "well they were just pissed off about the offense playing poorly so they gave up but they still played well overall" about Ohio State, you'd accuse me of being a blind homer. Mizzou didn't play well defensively. Throwing up your hands and giving up is never an excuse, especially if you're trying to say the unit played well that day.

 

[Mutiger]

Some solid points posted in here since my last post.

As for the KSU game, Mizzou held KSU to 334 yards of total offense.....it was a horrible day for Mizzou QBs who threw like 6 INT's, and missed 2 easy TD passes as well. I believe this is the game that Brady Cook injured his shoulder.

Wake Forest game was the Bowl Game and Mizzou had some defensive players opt out to get ready for the draft/transfer.

Let's be honest, they played really really good against Georgia, who needed some help from the officials to get going in the 4th Qtr of that game.

Anytime you hold teams to around 300 yards, that is pretty good in today's game.


NW Mex St 259 total yards
Kentucky 252 total yards
Arkansas 325 total yards
South Carolina 203 total yards
Florida 297 total yards
Vandy 299 total yards
Auburn 217 total yards

 

[Mutiger]

lol feels like you are taking this more personally than ou fans even.. UGA will be ok, not sure you need to bring up all the other guys name when we are just talking about this kid.

He lives in Missouri.. he lives an hour and a half away. Sometimes it's simpler than we think.

Saw this on twitter as well
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Damn did Aldon Smith ruin a chance at a great career.


Other notable Mizzou draft picks during that span:

Kony Ealy 2nd round in 2014
Markus Golden 2nd round in 2015
Jordan Elliott 3rd round in 2020

 

[Codaxx]

lol feels like you are taking this more personally than ou fans even.. UGA will be ok, not sure you need to bring up all the other guys name when we are just talking about this kid.

He lives in Missouri.. he lives an hour and a half away. Sometimes it's simpler than we think.

Saw this on twitter as well
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This type of thing has always annoyed me. Nobody coaches at either school, that was responsible for any of these players. It just appeals to the ignorant

 

[ericd7633]

If I ever used the excuse "well they were just pissed off about the offense playing poorly so they gave up but they still played well overall" about Ohio State, you'd accuse me of being a blind homer. Mizzou didn't play well defensively. Throwing up your hands and giving up is never an excuse, especially if you're trying to say the unit played well that day.

They did play well that day. Like I said, if they get any help offensively and with ST, they are in that game. They held KSU to 4.01 ypp the first 3 quarters. That is elite defense. They were also probably gassed because of all those consecutive INT's and having to be on the field the entire 2nd half. Even including the 4th qtr scores they still held KSU below their season averages in ppg and ypg(by a lot).

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

lol feels like you are taking this more personally than ou fans even.. UGA will be ok, not sure you need to bring up all the other guys name when we are just talking about this kid.

He lives in Missouri.. he lives an hour and a half away. Sometimes it's simpler than we think.

Saw this on twitter as well
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Not taking it personally at all. I am aware that we are stacked at DL. I just pointing out that it's nice to have been second because the "portal" is now part of the recruiting world. You want to maintain relationships, and glad to be second, because when it's time to transfer you can pick them up then.

The problem with your Twitter post is that you have to look at Venables and DL, not OU and DL. OU has been terrible on D, the post shows that. But anyone wanting to be developed has to look at the Clemson DL results that Venables had which has been damned good. Two first rounders in 2023. I think he had 3 first rounders in 2019. Vendables can talk circles around Mizzou about DL.

It wasn't that simple. You had family split - dad wanting UGA and development, mom wanting Mizzou and more NIL. Momma won out. Again, that's good for us ... take the money grab, then transfer in a year. Distance might have been part of it for momma, but not dad and son.