2025 Recruiting Thread

WhosYourDawggy said:
I am not giving you a hard time, but (1) June/July are the important months now, not December. And, (2) which top 100 players are you truly in on? There may be a ton ... I don't know. For example, I know we are in on a half dozen or more and expect to land 3 or 4 more. Do you have that to rely on?
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sir July isn't even halfway done.. and at this time last year.. we were even further behind
 
Thiefery said:
No ... i'm saying for years UM got out recruited by tosu yet have won 3 years in a row or something.. reason why they have been to the CFP so much lately

I get it once you get in..it's something else.. but hell they also lost to TCU who didn't recruit like any of the other CFP teams that season. Upsets can still happen.. SEC will likely have at least 3 teams in the playoff...maybe 4?
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To a TCU team that wasn't even their conference's champion.
 
Deep Creek said:
That was weird. Big 12 champ gets left out several times. Then their runner up gets in. WTF?
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wasn't there like a couple upsets for that to happen? SC losing to Utah was one of them IIRC
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
@Thiefery

I know it's a long way to December, but seeing you guys at 21 right now on 247 is kind of surprising to me. I am confident you will get more - you are at 13 right now - so you will obviously get that many again.

But here is what is going to be interesting for you and OU fans and something SEC folks have had to deal with for years ... you can't get pumped to be in the top 10 when that means you will be 6th or 7th in the SEC against teams you will play each and every year. This was a Richt thing ... he was in the top 10 every year and I can remember being excited about that until you realized that you were behind UA, AU, LSU, UF and others.

That's a major difference between being the SEC and the B12. You guys were going to be one of the top 2 in the B12 every year. It's tough to do that in the SEC when you have to go up against UGA, UA, LSU, etc.
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To be fair, the recruiting rankings mean nothing when teams like A&M, UF, Auburn, and TN have had several top 10 finishes and four combined seasons of 10+ wins over the last decade. Georgia and Bama are still by far the top dogs to take down, but the rest of the SEC isn't above Texas or even OU right now outside of maybe Ole Miss.
 
Thiefery said:
sir July isn't even halfway done.. and at this time last year.. we were even further behind
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There is an article on CBS Sports site talking about Texas’ recent “misses”. Sorry but I’m not technologically proficient enough to post it.

Anyhoo one of the recruiting gurus thinks Texas wouldn’t match Oregon’s (and some of the others) NIL offer(s) like they have in the past recruiting cycles. And it wasn’t because they couldn’t. They have the funds. They were concerned because it would have exceeded what the current players’ NIL deals are that have already proven themselves.

Isn’t that just going to be the way of the world now? Isn’t every school (at least the ones wit seemingly unlimited funds) going to have to wrestle with such from now on?
 
Deep Creek said:
There is an article on CBS Sports site talking about Texas’ recent “misses”. Sorry but I’m not technologically proficient enough to post it.

Anyhoo one of the recruiting gurus thinks Texas wouldn’t match Oregon’s (and some of the others) NIL offer(s) like they have in the past recruiting cycles. And it wasn’t because they couldn’t. They have the funds. They were concerned because it would have exceeded what the current players’ NIL deals are that have already proven themselves.

Isn’t that just going to be the way of the world now? Isn’t every school (at least the ones wit seemingly unlimited funds) going to have to wrestle with such from now on?
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They will. That's UGA's MO. We won't compete with the highest NIL offers for HS players. If that is what you are interested in, don't come to us. Now, if you want to get really good NIL, with the opportunity to get developed and to win you can prove yourself and you will get really good NIL before you leave.

This comes from some interviews that the 247 staff did at a recent 7 on 7 camp, talking to other teams recruiting staff. My guess is that TX, UGA, and Bama operate this way. tOSU did until UM won the nattie and they have pulled out all stops.
 
Across The Field said:
To be fair, the recruiting rankings mean nothing when teams like A&M, UF, Auburn, and TN have had several top 10 finishes and four combined seasons of 10+ wins over the last decade. Georgia and Bama are still by far the top dogs to take down, but the rest of the SEC isn't above Texas or even OU right now outside of maybe Ole Miss.
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We have a thread on this ... recruiting rankings track results very closely. Sure some underperform, but if you aren't recruiting HS players well, you are going to have an uphill battle. You will then need a generational QB (Auburn, Clemson), or be able to talk players into staying more years and have a great team culture (Clemson, UM).

 
Here is a great comparison of Richt v. Smart. Recruiting matters.

 
Deep Creek said:
There is an article on CBS Sports site talking about Texas’ recent “misses”. Sorry but I’m not technologically proficient enough to post it.

Anyhoo one of the recruiting gurus thinks Texas wouldn’t match Oregon’s (and some of the others) NIL offer(s) like they have in the past recruiting cycles. And it wasn’t because they couldn’t. They have the funds. They were concerned because it would have exceeded what the current players’ NIL deals are that have already proven themselves.

Isn’t that just going to be the way of the world now? Isn’t every school (at least the ones wit seemingly unlimited funds) going to have to wrestle with such from now on?
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Yeah Moore got a huge huge payday.. what QBs usually get. As far as the pettijohn.. I'm hearing/reading that it wasn't anything to do with NIL.. he's still getting a nice deal at tosu, but it wasn't more from what UT offered, for whatever reasons he soured on us and committed to tosu..

Now Sharma.. he told Bama and UT that he was coming to Austin.. he calls Oregon and just like that..he's a duck. Phil is spending a lot.. gotta see if it pays off for them
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
We have a thread on this ... recruiting rankings track results very closely. Sure some underperform, but if you aren't recruiting HS players well, you are going to have an uphill battle. You will then need a generational QB (Auburn, Clemson), or be able to talk players into staying more years and have a great team culture (Clemson, UM).

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That's not what I was arguing. I was pointing out that OU and Texas are better programs than basically everyone else in the SEC regardless of recruiting rankings over the last decade, which is true. You said how they would be "6th or 7th" in the SEC as if it mattered on the field when in reality, it doesn't with a lot of SEC teams. Ironically enough, the 3rd best team in the SEC last year by year's end had an average recruiting ranking of like 40th the previous decade.
 
Across The Field said:
That's not what I was arguing. I was pointing out that OU and Texas are better programs than basically everyone else in the SEC regardless of recruiting rankings over the last decade, which is true. You said how they would be "6th or 7th" in the SEC as if it mattered on the field when in reality, it doesn't with a lot of SEC teams. Ironically enough, the 3rd best team in the SEC last year by year's end had an average recruiting ranking of like 40th the previous decade.
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We are going to have to agree to disagree. It does matter if you finish 6th or 7th in SEC recruiting because OU and TX now have to play those same SEC teams. They will be at a disadvantage from a talent perspective with the very teams they have to play. For the time being they will be behind two - UGA and Bama - and then behind one of the other, so one of OU and TX will be 4th in the SEC. Thrown in the odd years where ATM or LSU have good recruiting classes, and now one could be 5th or 6th.

I am well aware that UT and OU recruit well. The difference is now they have to play the teams they recruit against. In the past, they were always going to have more talent than the teams they played against in the B12.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
We are going to have to agree to disagree. It does matter if you finish 6th or 7th in SEC recruiting because OU and TX now have to play those same SEC teams. They will be at a disadvantage from a talent perspective with the very teams they have to play. For the time being they will be behind two - UGA and Bama - and then behind one of the other, so one of OU and TX will be 4th in the SEC. Thrown in the odd years where ATM or LSU have good recruiting classes, and now one could be 5th or 6th.

I am well aware that UT and OU recruit well. The difference is now they have to play the teams they recruit against. In the past, they were always going to have more talent than the teams they played against in the B12.
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Again, we aren't arguing the same thing. Recruiting rankings don't mean anything IF you do not have the coaching staff in place to develop it. It's why Bama and Georgia are successful and Florida, A&M, Auburn, and for the most part Tennessee have been dogshit for the past decade. They can beat OU and UT each year in recruiting rankings (like they have several years recently) and it won't matter on the field. At this current time, I'd take either Venables or Sark over the coaches at those other programs, though I think A&M should improve.
 
Across The Field said:
…though I think A&M should improve.
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I’ve had to deal with aggies forever and give them as much crap as anyone. That said, I definitely think they will improve and be better than many think. I was NEVER a Jimbo fan…even if he did have a natty to his name. He was a big drag on the program imo. A&M bought a pig in a poke when they hired him.
 
OU and yexas missed out on a recruit or two BECAUSE they weren’t in the $EC.

…just saying…
 
Another 4 star commits to Mizzou


 
4 star IOL Alai Kalaniuvalu out of Nevada has committed to Oregon.

 
Across The Field said:
Again, we aren't arguing the same thing. Recruiting rankings don't mean anything IF you do not have the coaching staff in place to develop it. It's why Bama and Georgia are successful and Florida, A&M, Auburn, and for the most part Tennessee have been dogshit for the past decade. They can beat OU and UT each year in recruiting rankings (like they have several years recently) and it won't matter on the field. At this current time, I'd take either Venables or Sark over the coaches at those other programs, though I think A&M should improve.
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But it's not. UGA and Bama are where they are because they recruit better than all the other SEC teams. If Auburn, UF, ATM, UTjr, etc., consistently recruit better than UT and OU, UT and OU will lose to those teams.

Here is Smart explaining that coaching can't overcome recruiting:

“Guys, if you don’t recruit, there’s no coach out there who can out-coach recruiting,” Smart said in his postgame press conference. “I don’t care who you are. The best coach to ever play the game better be a good recruiter because no coaching is going to out-coach players. Anyone will tell you our defense is good because we’ve got good players. Spending time on the phone, spending time with people at your house, spending time with people on your campus, I’m not with my family when I’m doing that. My family sacrifices so that I can go and spend time with other people’s families so that we can have good players. That’s 25% evaluation, 50% recruiting, and the other 25% is coaching. If you don’t recruit, guys, you’ve got no chance.”

Smart, like Saban, understands that if you don't recruit well, you won't win.
 
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