2025 Recruiting Thread

But it's not. UGA and Bama are where they are because they recruit better than all the other SEC teams. If Auburn, UF, ATM, UTjr, etc., consistently recruit better than UT and OU, UT and OU will lose to those teams.

Here is Smart explaining that coaching can't overcome recruiting:

“Guys, if you don’t recruit, there’s no coach out there who can out-coach recruiting,” Smart said in his postgame press conference. “I don’t care who you are. The best coach to ever play the game better be a good recruiter because no coaching is going to out-coach players. Anyone will tell you our defense is good because we’ve got good players. Spending time on the phone, spending time with people at your house, spending time with people on your campus, I’m not with my family when I’m doing that. My family sacrifices so that I can go and spend time with other people’s families so that we can have good players. That’s 25% evaluation, 50% recruiting, and the other 25% is coaching. If you don’t recruit, guys, you’ve got no chance.”

Smart, like Saban, understands that if you don't recruit well, you won't win.
Again, we're not on the same page.

Elite recruiting with elite coaching = elite results on the field. (UGA and Bama)
Elite recruiting with garbage coaching = garbage on the field. (Florida, UT, Auburn, A&M)
Solid recruiting with good coaching > elite recruiting with garbage coaching. (Oklahoma and Texas)

This is especially true now with the portal.
 
Again, we're not on the same page.

Elite recruiting with elite coaching = elite results on the field. (UGA and Bama)
Elite recruiting with garbage coaching = garbage on the field. (Florida, UT, Auburn, A&M)
Solid recruiting with good coaching > elite recruiting with garbage coaching. (Oklahoma and Texas)

This is especially true now with the portal.
You don’t understand. The reason Florida, UT, Auburn and A&M had so many losses was because the play in the SEC, not because of garbage coaching.

Can I get my SEC homer card now?
 
Again, we're not on the same page.

Elite recruiting with elite coaching = elite results on the field. (UGA and Bama)
Elite recruiting with garbage coaching = garbage on the field. (Florida, UT, Auburn, A&M)
Solid recruiting with good coaching > elite recruiting with garbage coaching. (Oklahoma and Texas)

This is especially true now with the portal.
Example: LSU - elite recruiting, bad coaching, 2 NCs.

Final time - if OU and TX have 2-4 SEC teams recruit in front of them, they will lose 2-3 games per year no matter who their coach is. Recruiting matters more than coaching. FWIW, there is no reason they don't recruit well ... they have in the past and will in the future. TX and OU should be in the top 5 of the SEC every year. And TX right now isn't what they will be at the end of the cycle, I get that.
 
Example: LSU - elite recruiting, bad coaching, 2 NCs.

Final time - if OU and TX have 2-4 SEC teams recruit in front of them, they will lose 2-3 games per year no matter who their coach is. Recruiting matters more than coaching. FWIW, there is no reason they don't recruit well ... they have in the past and will in the future. TX and OU should be in the top 5 of the SEC every year. And TX right now isn't what they will be at the end of the cycle, I get that.
I'd strongly argue LSU's 2019 national championship was squarely on coaching, namely Joe Brady. Coach O was ass, but Brady transformed a listless 2018 LSU offense (70th in total offense in the nation) with the same players (Burrow, Chase, JJ, CEH) into a powerhouse in 2019. Without him, they don't even sniff a title in 2019.

I think OU and UT will likely recruit just fine in the SEC. That said, I think the only program I'd strongly pick to beat either of them this coming season in UGA in the SEC. Bama is a wildcard, Ole Miss and Missouri are pretty good but not guarantees, and then there's nobody. The main difference is coaching. While I agree, the true national powers recruit at elite levels, plenty of other teams like I've mentioned also have recruited at elite levels with little to no success because the coaching is shit. A&M should be better, Florida has gotten worse each year since 2019, Tennessee is inconsistent, and Auburn is just a bad program.
 
I'd strongly argue LSU's 2019 national championship was squarely on coaching, namely Joe Brady. Coach O was ass, but Brady transformed a listless 2018 LSU offense (70th in total offense in the nation) with the same players (Burrow, Chase, JJ, CEH) into a powerhouse in 2019. Without him, they don't even sniff a title in 2019.

I think OU and UT will likely recruit just fine in the SEC. That said, I think the only program I'd strongly pick to beat either of them this coming season in UGA in the SEC. Bama is a wildcard, Ole Miss and Missouri are pretty good but not guarantees, and then there's nobody. The main difference is coaching. While I agree, the true national powers recruit at elite levels, plenty of other teams like I've mentioned also have recruited at elite levels with little to no success because the coaching is shit. A&M should be better, Florida has gotten worse each year since 2019, Tennessee is inconsistent, and Auburn is just a bad program.

Cracks me up when SEC honks try to slide Florida & Auburn in as elite programs in current day.

Auburn has lost at least 4 games in every season in the last 10 seasons

Florida only has 2 seasons where they didn't lose 4 or more games in the same time frame

I do love how every year ESPN tries to convince people that Florida is "actually much better than their mediocre record"
 
Cracks me up when SEC honks try to slide Florida & Auburn in as elite programs in current day.

Auburn has lost at least 4 games in every season in the last 10 seasons

Florida only has 2 seasons where they didn't lose 4 or more games in the same time frame

I do love how every year ESPN tries to convince people that Florida is "actually much better than their mediocre record"
Show me where I said they were elite teams today? They have been elite in the past. I mean UF has more NCs than tOSU has in the last 20 years. UF in particular has fallen on very hard times which is wonderful, IMO.
 
Show me where I said they were elite teams today? They have been elite in the past. I mean UF has more NCs than tOSU has in the last 20 years. UF in particular has fallen on very hard times which is wonderful, IMO.

I never said you specifically, but you see plenty of it other places every year. Particularly the "their record only isnt great because SEC!!!" logic, yea a Auburn team that lost by 3 TDs to New Mexico State is definitely only mediocre because of the conference they play in. Being "elite in the past" doesn't mean dick to current times. Minnesota was once a elite program too
 
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I'd strongly argue LSU's 2019 national championship was squarely on coaching, namely Joe Brady. Coach O was ass, but Brady transformed a listless 2018 LSU offense (70th in total offense in the nation) with the same players (Burrow, Chase, JJ, CEH) into a powerhouse in 2019. Without him, they don't even sniff a title in 2019.

I think OU and UT will likely recruit just fine in the SEC. That said, I think the only program I'd strongly pick to beat either of them this coming season in UGA in the SEC. Bama is a wildcard, Ole Miss and Missouri are pretty good but not guarantees, and then there's nobody. The main difference is coaching. While I agree, the true national powers recruit at elite levels, plenty of other teams like I've mentioned also have recruited at elite levels with little to no success because the coaching is shit. A&M should be better, Florida has gotten worse each year since 2019, Tennessee is inconsistent, and Auburn is just a bad program.
Here's what is interesting about the highlighted sentence. First, you could be totally correct, and UT and OU come in and are the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the conference. But to come to that conclusion you have to look at the following two contrasting ideas:

1. For Texas, until I looked, I had no idea how bad Texas has been in the B12 in the last 14 years. These are the number of losses per year:

7, 5, 4, 5, 7, 7, 7, 6, 4, 5, 3, 7, 5, 2 - I mean, that's horrible, MSU/USCjr level losing. Sure, they now have a new coach who appears to be good, and they have NIL, and we are in the NIL/transfer era. But the idea that a team that lost that many games in the B12 will suddenly come in and beat everyone except UGA, as you put it, seems a little optimistic. But, maybe their new environment will result in them being a powerhouse they haven't been in decades. Again, that seems to be very optimistic and being willing to ignore 15 years of really bad football.

2. Then you look at OU that had a great run, even if they couldn't get to the top. Using the same time period, their losses per year were:

5, 2, 3, 3, 2, 5, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 7, 3 - that's actually quite good, but are we sure they are on the upward slope with their new coach (who I personally like)? Based on what they were doing under Stoops and Riley, I could see OU being optimistic, but they are with a new, unproven coach who now has to compete in a much more difficult league. You say the only team you see them getting beat by is UGA, yet OU has to play UTjr, @Auburn, UT(n), USCjr, @OleMiss, @Mizzou, Alabama, @LSU. You really think they are going to go undefeated against that schedule? C'mon.

Look, I am not going to react in either direction based on this coming year. We saw Mizzou look great in their first two years in the SEC, only to then suffer 10 years of mediocrity, at best. Maybe UT and OU come in and dominate. I really don't see that happening, especially OU with their tougher schedule.
 
Here's what is interesting about the highlighted sentence. First, you could be totally correct, and UT and OU come in and are the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the conference. But to come to that conclusion you have to look at the following two contrasting ideas:

1. For Texas, until I looked, I had no idea how bad Texas has been in the B12 in the last 14 years. These are the number of losses per year:

7, 5, 4, 5, 7, 7, 7, 6, 4, 5, 3, 7, 5, 2 - I mean, that's horrible, MSU/USCjr level losing. Sure, they now have a new coach who appears to be good, and they have NIL, and we are in the NIL/transfer era. But the idea that a team that lost that many games in the B12 will suddenly come in and beat everyone except UGA, as you put it, seems a little optimistic. But, maybe their new environment will result in them being a powerhouse they haven't been in decades. Again, that seems to be very optimistic and being willing to ignore 15 years of really bad football.

2. Then you look at OU that had a great run, even if they couldn't get to the top. Using the same time period, their losses per year were:

5, 2, 3, 3, 2, 5, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 7, 3 - that's actually quite good, but are we sure they are on the upward slope with their new coach (who I personally like)? Based on what they were doing under Stoops and Riley, I could see OU being optimistic, but they are with a new, unproven coach who now has to compete in a much more difficult league. You say the only team you see them getting beat by is UGA, yet OU has to play UTjr, @Auburn, UT(n), USCjr, @OleMiss, @Mizzou, Alabama, @LSU. You really think they are going to go undefeated against that schedule? C'mon.

Look, I am not going to react in either direction based on this coming year. We saw Mizzou look great in their first two years in the SEC, only to then suffer 10 years of mediocrity, at best. Maybe UT and OU come in and dominate. I really don't see that happening, especially OU with their tougher schedule.
Texas was way down during the dark years under Strong and Herman for sure, but they seem to be on the rise and they're actually developing talent and the results are following. They've gone from 5 wins in 2021 to 8 wins in 2022 and then 12 wins last year, so the trajectory seems to be pointing up. Granted their schedule will get a lot harder now, but I'd say right now their program is in way better shape than the 4 SEC schools we've been talking about.

I was also just pointing out about this year, I'd only confidently pick UGA to beat both of them, though obviously a lot can happen and either team can lose to the other teams. I never said the only team I could see beating them is UGA, I'm just saying they're the only ones I'd bet money on.

End of the day, I think the recruiting at both schools should only improve now that they're in the SEC, and I like both of their coaches more than most in the SEC. Kirby is obviously at the top, then I think you could make a case for Sark, Kiffin, Venables, or Drink after that. Then I think there is a big gap.
 
Cracks me up when SEC honks try to slide Florida & Auburn in as elite programs in current day.

Auburn has lost at least 4 games in every season in the last 10 seasons

Florida only has 2 seasons where they didn't lose 4 or more games in the same time frame

I do love how every year ESPN tries to convince people that Florida is "actually much better than their mediocre record"
Florida and Auburn are in complete tailspins, and have been for some time. It's possible Freeze could turn things around at Auburn but it's going to take time. Florida just needs a drastic overhaul.
 


KALEN DEBEOR!!

Recruiting hasn’t fallen off at All. With Saban it was us, UGA, and Ohio State always in the top 3 and post Saban it’s…checks Notes…Us, UGA, and Ohio State in the top 3
 


LOL!! ZERO falloff in recruiting so far. And Deboer might be a better X and O and in game coach. Scary thought going forward!!!
 


LOL!! ZERO falloff in recruiting so far. And Deboer might be a better X and O and in game coach. Scary thought going forward!!!

"Splain" me something you Tiders. You have a Red Elephant Club but your elephant is grey? WTH?

And while I'm at it. The LSU Tigers are purple and gold and the Clemson Tigers are Orange and Purple? Where have to seen tigers that color? Geez, only Mizzou can get it right.
 
"Splain" me something you Tiders. You have a Red Elephant Club but your elephant is grey? WTH?

And while I'm at it. The LSU Tigers are purple and gold and the Clemson Tigers are Orange and Purple? Where have to seen tigers that color? Geez, only Mizzou can get it right.
The Red Elephant Club controls all of College Football and has for years. Just ask an Auburn fan, they will tell you.
 
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