A B1G (and CFP) What If...

[Kburjr]

Dreaming Washington State runs the table.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Yea I don't think Duke is a elite team or anything, they are at least decent though.

Trying to talk up Auburn and South Carolina is just laughable. That would be like me trying to pimp up Purdue.

But I am not trying to talk up Auburn or USCjr. I hate Auburn and USCjr isn't on my radar. I am simply pointing out that eric is building up Duke as being this great team, while Auburn and USjr are garbage when I think it's likely both Auburn and USCjr would beat Duke.

eric also is riding UGA's SOS while dismissing that one of the teams he is calling garbage has played the no. 1 SOS. How do you think Duke would have looked playing USCjrs schedule? My guess is that they would have at least 3 losses just like USCjr has, and we wouldn't be touting Duke as a good team.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Dreaming Washington State runs the table.

Don't you know that WSU and OSU are motivated? In a couple of my posts, I've pointed out that USC, Oregon, and Washington all have to play each other, but also have to play a bunch of the middle of the PAC. I think the middle of the PAC might be the best middle of all conferences. And seeing how USC and Washington can't play defense, they may be ripe to be upset.

It's been fun to see the PAC do so well this year. If only they had done that before. But it would be wild to see the teams at the "top" with 2 losses having lost to one another and then each to a middle team.

That said, I kind of hope on of the top teams gets into the CFP for a last hoorah.

 

[ericd7633]

1. You seem to continue to miss the point. We are at week 6. You have no idea what the remaining season will hold. At the beginning of the year our SOS was worse than it is today because teams like Ky seem to be better than people thought pre-season. This is not a difficult concept to grasp.

2. Good thing the committee won't do that. And how do you know that tOSU would be against top 10 teams in that scenario?

1. I'm not missing the point. I'm projecting ahead. I even laid out the games that are critical to UGA's SOS improving. I happen to think that South Carolina will lose to Clemson, and UF will lose to FSU, along with some others, further hurting their SOS.

2. I'm not saying the committee will do that, I'm saying they should. OSU will at worst be 1-1 against the top 10. I'm fairly confident both Michigan and PSU will be in the top 10 at the end of they year. Them losing to anyone outside of each other is extremely unlikely. And ND could finish in the top 10, even with a USC loss.

 

[ericd7633]

But I am not trying to talk up Auburn or USCjr. I hate Auburn and USCjr isn't on my radar. I am simply pointing out that eric is building up Duke as being this great team, while Auburn and USjr are garbage when I think it's likely both Auburn and USCjr would beat Duke.

eric also is riding UGA's SOS while dismissing that one of the teams he is calling garbage has played the no. 1 SOS. How do you think Duke would have looked playing USCjrs schedule? My guess is that they would have at least 3 losses just like USCjr has, and we wouldn't be touting Duke as a good team.

The hell? I literally said I don't even think Duke is great or anything like two posts ago. So to sum up. Duke isn't great, they may not even be good. BUT, they have performed better this season than South Carolina and Auburn have. It's not even debatable.

Yes, I'm dismissing South Carolina because, yes, while they have played a very difficult schedule, they have looked like shit against it. Got run off the field against UNC and TN. We'll get to see if South Carolina can beat Clemson at the end of the year like Duke did. My guess is probably not, but it's a rivalry game so who knows.

 

[osubuckeye89]

The hell? I literally said I don't even think Duke is great or anything like two posts ago. So to sum up. Duke isn't great, they may not even be good. BUT, they have performed better this season than South Carolina and Auburn have. It's not even debatable.

Yes, I'm dismissing South Carolina because, yes, while they have played a very difficult schedule, they have looked like shit against it. Got run off the field against UNC and TN. We'll get to see if South Carolina can beat Clemson at the end of the year like Duke did. My guess is probably not, but it's a rivalry game so who knows.

Yea I think people get too hung up on the "THEY LOST BECAUSE THEY PLAYED GOOD TEAMS!" thing without really looking at the facts, maybe if they were losing heart breakers at the end of these games but they lost all 3 by 10+ points.

This seems to always be the argument for the midder SEC teams. "Their records are only bad because of who they have to play!!!"

 

[ericd7633]

Yea I think people get too hung up on the "THEY LOST BECAUSE THEY PLAYED GOOD TEAMS!" thing without really looking at the facts, maybe if they were losing heart breakers at the end of these games but they lost all 3 by 10+ points.

This seems to always be the argument for the midder SEC teams. "Their records are only bad because of who they have to play!!!"

Yeah, they were down by 17 to both TN and UNC early in the 4th quarter. TN hasn't even been that good this year, given they got run off the field against UF, who is mediocre.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Yeah, they were down by 17 to both TN and UNC early in the 4th quarter. TN hasn't even been that good this year, given they got run off the field against UF, who is mediocre.

Its a never ending cycle with these mid meh SEC teams

Florida not very good but gets pumped up off of beating Tennessee, also allows Tennessee to stay in the top 25

Kentucky then way propped up off of beat a clearly not good Florida team

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

The hell? I literally said I don't even think Duke is great or anything like two posts ago. So to sum up. Duke isn't great, they may not even be good. BUT, they have performed better this season than South Carolina and Auburn have. It's not even debatable.

Yes, I'm dismissing South Carolina because, yes, while they have played a very difficult schedule, they have looked like shit against it. Got run off the field against UNC and TN. We'll get to see if South Carolina can beat Clemson at the end of the year like Duke did. My guess is probably not, but it's a rivalry game so who knows.

Here is what you said:

I don't really care if Duke is good or not. But they are better than both South Carolina and Auburn. Those teams fucking suck man. What the hell have either of them actually done to make you think they are better than Duke?

How do you know they are better than those two teams that have played a far tougher schedule? "Those teams suck," you say. What if Duke had played USCjr's schedule? Would they suck? Because I am pretty sure they would be 2-3 right now had they done so. The might be 1-4 with a loss to MSU.

FWIW, I am not trying to build up Auburn and USCjr. They are middling SEC teams at best. I am objecting to you building up Duke who would basically have the same record as the other two teams had they played their schedule.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Here is what you said:

I don't really care if Duke is good or not. But they are better than both South Carolina and Auburn. Those teams fucking suck man. What the hell have either of them actually done to make you think they are better than Duke?

How do you know they are better than those two teams that have played a far tougher schedule? "Those teams suck," you say. What if Duke had played USCjr's schedule? Would they suck? Because I am pretty sure they would be 2-3 right now had they done so. The might be 1-4 with a loss to MSU.

FWIW, I am not trying to build up Auburn and USCjr. They are middling SEC teams at best. I am objecting to you building up Duke who would basically have the same record as the other two teams had they played their schedule.

You could make the same argument though that both teams would have a worse record than Duke if they played Duke's schedule

I don't think Clemson is good at all but I think theyd beat Auburn and South Carolina. neither of them would beat Notre Dame either.

Duke is better than you want to give them credit for, nobody is saying that are a top 10 team or anything, but they are decent.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

You could make the same argument though that both teams would have a worse record than Duke if they played Duke's schedule

I don't think Clemson is good at all but I think theyd beat Auburn and South Carolina. neither of them would beat Notre Dame either.

Duke is better than you want to give them credit for, nobody is saying that are a top 10 team or anything, but they are decent.

Which actually supports my argument that none of the 3 are all that good, right?

 

[osubuckeye89]

Which actually supports my argument that none of the 3 are all that good, right?

None of them are going to be winning anything big this year, but I think Duke is easily the best of the 3, from what i've seen on the field so far. Of course that could change as the season goes on, but right now that's where it stands.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

None of them are going to be winning anything big this year, but I think Duke is easily the best of the 3, from what i've seen on the field so far. Of course that could change as the season goes on, but right now that's where it stands.

Again, what would Duke's record be if they played UNC, Wofford, MissSt, @UGA, and @UTjr?

 

[osubuckeye89]

Again, what would Duke's record be if they played UNC, Wofford, MissSt, @UGA, and @UTjr?

Who cares?

Duke easily has the best win of the 3, Clemson isnt what they used to be but that 28-7 win over them is worlds better than anything Auburn or South Carolina have. (And don't even try to say Miss State, Miss State is trash)

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Who cares?

Duke easily has the best win of the 3, Clemson isnt what they used to be but that 28-7 win over them is worlds better than anything Auburn or South Carolina have. (And don't even try to say Miss State, Miss State is trash)

If you say so ... how you guys decide who is trash and who isn't is pretty interesting. What would Duke's record be playing USCjr's schedule? This should be interesting.

 

[osubuckeye89]

If you say so ... how you guys decide who is trash and who isn't is pretty interesting. What would Duke's record be playing USCjr's schedule? This should be interesting.

South Carolina is a mediocre team because they are mediocre, not because of their schedule. We hear this same BS argument for the same mediocre SEC schools year after year. About how they are only not good "because of their schedule!"

 

[ericd7633]

Here is what you said:

I don't really care if Duke is good or not. But they are better than both South Carolina and Auburn. Those teams fucking suck man. What the hell have either of them actually done to make you think they are better than Duke?

How do you know they are better than those two teams that have played a far tougher schedule? "Those teams suck," you say. What if Duke had played USCjr's schedule? Would they suck? Because I am pretty sure they would be 2-3 right now had they done so. The might be 1-4 with a loss to MSU.

FWIW, I am not trying to build up Auburn and USCjr. They are middling SEC teams at best. I am objecting to you building up Duke who would basically have the same record as the other two teams had they played their schedule.

I also said:

I'm not even calling them good or anything. But they are better than Auburn and South Carolina. If you can make a case for either I'm open to it.

 Again, I'm not building Duke up, but they have proven more, at this point, than Auburn and South Carolina. It's not really debatable. I'm not sure what Duke's record would be if they had South Carolina's schedule. Given what we've seen I'd say anywhere from 4-1 to 2-3. You're not giving Duke enough credit man. They've blown everyone out(including Clemson), and should have beaten ND if I'm being honest.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I also said:

I'm not even calling them good or anything. But they are better than Auburn and South Carolina. If you can make a case for either I'm open to it.

 Again, I'm not building Duke up, but they have proven more, at this point, than Auburn and South Carolina. It's not really debatable. I'm not sure what Duke's record would be if they had South Carolina's schedule. Given what we've seen I'd say anywhere from 4-1 to 2-3. You're not giving Duke enough credit man. They've blown everyone out(including Clemson), and should have beaten ND if I'm being honest.

I think his logic is that all "not good" teams are the same basically. There's no difference between them.

 

[ericd7633]

South Carolina is a mediocre team because they are mediocre, not because of their schedule. We hear this same BS argument for the same mediocre SEC schools year after year. About how they are only not good "because of their schedule!"

Honestly, the biggest indictment on South Carolina is that they only beat Miss State by 7 at home. Miss State isn't very good evidenced by getting run by Bama and LSU. So yeah, they've played a good schedule, but they've looked like shit against it.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Honestly, the biggest indictment on South Carolina is that they only beat Miss State by 7 at home. Miss State isn't very good evidenced by getting run by Bama and LSU. So yeah, they've played a good schedule, but they've looked like shit against it.

"BUT DUKE WOULD LOSE TO BAMA AND LSU TOO!!!"

Like I said earlier, people put way too much stock into schedules, especially when it comes to justifying that "so and so really isnt bad! their schedule is the reason they look bad!"