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NewPhoneWhoDis said:
If Harbaugh ordered it, knew about it and let it happen. He should be fired immediately. If he didn't know, very little will come of this from the NCAA.
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There is a middle ground - he should have known. This is what I think they will find. No, he didn't order. But it will be found to be so ingrained in the program that the only logical conclusion is that the HC should have known about it. Coordinators, too. Sorry, but you don't get the level of info that Stalions had looking at the video.

Before you come @ me, where was the Stalion-type staffer against PSU? There was no one standing by the OC and DC telling them what plays were coming next. According to the UM honks they could have gotten all that from the All-22 film, right? If that is so where were the people with the laminated cards and with all the signals from the TV film? If it's legal and they could do it, where were they on Saturday? They weren't there because you can't get that level of intel without cheating and your coaches, coordinators, and even players should know that. That is what is going to be determined.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
“Accuracy that’s rumored” lol based on what?

Michigan provided basically identical documentation of our own signals. This is just information all teams have. Stallions used a shortcut to get it.
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Fact: what was allegedly produced wasn't close to the specificity that Stalions had. Not even close.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Fact: what was allegedly produced wasn't close to the specificity that Stalions had. Not even close.
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In what way? What was produced was a direct document listing all of our signals, signals that were given to our future opponents by previously played, and in person mind you, prior opponents. Talk about violation of sportsmanship policy?
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Where was the due process for Stalions? You guys are wrapped up in due process., but not for your boy Stalions?
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The University doesn't have a due process for firing staff. The mere fact that he seemed to be going rouge is enough to fire him with cause, irrelevant if his actions were legal or not.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
1. We don't know if he was actually breaking rules.
2. The rule, if broken, was simply a shortcut for collecting data all other teams have
3. The rule itself is a financial one, one that exists because other teams couldn't afford scouts (obviously silly in today's CFB market).

I could see, if the NCAA rules a rule was broken, Michigan receiving a fine as well and Stallions getting a show/cause.
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So, no due process for Stalions ... wow, I thought due process meant something to you guys ... god knows you've been crying and whining about it for a week.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
So, no due process for Stalions ... wow, I thought due process meant something to you guys ... god knows you've been crying and whining about it for a week.
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See above. Stallions clearly was operating without permission from the staff. Irrelevant to what he was actually doing. I think that much is very clear at this point.
 
cwerph said:
You cannot possibly be this dense. If the NCAA didn't think it broke the rules, why would they even mention it to the Big 10?
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Really? After 200 pages of posts here and you don't think he can be that obtuse? I almost am at the admiration stage for this guy ... I mean in the face of uncontroverted evidence, he keeps going at it. Having said that, I think he is just trolling at this point.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
In what way? What was produced was a direct document listing all of our signals, signals that were given to our future opponents by previously played, and in person mind you, prior opponents. Talk about violation of sportsmanship policy?
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I won't go further than to say you guys have every single play ... they had a dozen or so.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
See above. Stallions clearly was operating without permission from the staff. Irrelevant to what he was actually doing. I think that much is very clear at this point.
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Got it, no due process where it is convenient for UM. Summarily fire the guy.
 
ellupo said:
My favorite thing is watching MI fans just make things up in their little head.

The facts are Harbs is responsible for what happens under his watch. Its been stated before but you crazy ole MI fans are just losing it to try and justify cheating. Please keep up the good work.
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YOU are the one making things up in your head. You said Harbaugh was now analyzing the videos too.

Whatever helps you feel better about not beating your rival for 1,400+ days, I guess.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I won't go further than to say you guys have every single play ... they had a dozen or so.
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There's been multiple instances (not just one document)...

EDIT, I found them. They were attached to our response to the B10


Yes, I understand using broadcast footage is legal. But the combined evidence of documented sign stealing shows you the extent at which teams 1. Know your signs and 2. Actively trade signs to undercut future opponents.

IE the impact of what Stallions was doing was minimal. What is shown is absolutely no different than the documentation Michigan is alleged to have had on the sidelines.

Also note: The images of the scoreboards....weird. How did those get in there without someone in person?
 
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WhosYourDawggy said:
Got it, no due process where it is convenient for UM. Summarily fire the guy.
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I think you know those situations are different...right? And for the record, he was suspended WITH PAY until he RESIGNED.
 
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WhosYourDawggy said:
There is a middle ground - he should have known. This is what I think they will find. No, he didn't order. But it will be found to be so ingrained in the program that the only logical conclusion is that the HC should have known about it. Coordinators, too. Sorry, but you don't get the level of info that Stalions had looking at the video.

Before you come @ me, where was the Stalion-type staffer against PSU? There was no one standing by the OC and DC telling them what plays were coming next. According to the UM honks they could have gotten all that from the All-22 film, right? If that is so where were the people with the laminated cards and with all the signals from the TV film? If it's legal and they could do it, where were they on Saturday? They weren't there because you can't get that level of intel without cheating and your coaches, coordinators, and even players should know that. That is what is going to be determined.
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This is the part that is humorous. People talking about absolutes and running with pics off the internet (Yet, no one can provide a single video of the 'laminated sign sheet'). Feel free to post one video of that laminated sign sheet you are passing off as fact. Better yet, here is my proposal, I will do an avatar bet with you for the rest of the football season. You post a video of the laminated sign sheet from the pic you are talking as fact and you can give me anything for my avatar. If you can't. I get to give you an avatar for the rest of the football season. Deal?
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Got it, no due process where it is convenient for UM. Summarily fire the guy.
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He resigned genius. Michigan didn't fire anybody. But let me guess, your insiders on the internet said he was fired, so you run with that😂
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
YOU are the one making things up in your head. You said Harbaugh was now analyzing the videos too.

Whatever helps you feel better about not beating your rival for 1,400+ days, I guess.
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Show me where I said that.

Buckeyes have not beat MI for 1400+ days and MI has not beat TOSU without cheating for over a decade. Cheaters always trying to justify and twist. Adding in the running scared year, such a MI thing to do.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
You don't actually know that. The NCAA has yet to issue a notice of allegations. We have no idea what this involves or what rules may have been broken, and we have no idea how the NCAA will classify them.
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There has been proof released. I know MI fans will only admit the cheating if they are present first hand to see all that cheatin but it happened. Im sure after MI gets hit by the NCAA there will be a new excuse.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I won't go further than to say you guys have every single play ... they had a dozen or so.
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No, they just admire OSU so much they bought tickets to 8 games. I get that. OSU is that good.


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Have you heard rumblings that Michigan is trying to cut a deal with the B1G? Something along the lines of "make the suspension 2 games and we will drop our TRO request".

If that is true and I were Pettiti, I would tell them, "No, thanks. See you in court."
 
ellupo said:
Show me where I said that.

Buckeyes have not beat MI for 1400+ days and MI has not beat TOSU without cheating for over a decade. Cheaters always trying to justify and twist. Adding in the running scared year, such a MI thing to do.
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ellupo said:
Harbs is responsible for what happens in his program. He created the climate. He is responsible.
I said it's been over a decade since MI won without cheating. I guess you are reading the MI propaganda, Day said he could not change all the signs not enough time. He didn't have the full videos from many other games to analyze like Harbs did.
It's cute you think that somehow deep throat being gone instantly removes the cheatin advantage MI got. Very cute and naive.
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Here you go. You said Day didn't have full videos from other games to analyze like Harbaugh did.

OSU fans are so damaged from losing to UM they are now making things up in their head to try and justify it, then trying to say they didn't say it.
 
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