B1G in discussion to eliminate divisions by 2023

[Blackshirts BLVD]

They paired OSU with Nebraska because the conference assumed that at some point Nebraska would pull their heads out of their collective asses and it would make for some great games.

No dice.

I get that and when we joined, we were looking pretty good, but regardless, I still think that is a terrible system.

 

[Deep Creek]

I think it is a good idea:

- Go to pods so you play less conference games but play more teams more often
- Schedule a week where B1G schools match up with the PAC schools head to head and rotate the games (a couple of teams will be left out but Michigan State has ND and Iowa has Iowa State so you can leave them out)

What's not to like.

I think the same week the SEC and ACC should do something similar. It would be great for college football.

You triggered my memory you drunk bird. IIRC, the reason the PAC/B1G weren't able to make that work was because many from both sides weren't willing to give up home games two years in a row to go a home/home with each other. The ones that were only playing six home games anyway were all for it. But again, my memory ain't too swift.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

How do you propose to "fix" recruiting to drive parity. I mean the NIL/Free Agency/Expansion moves are the things that are going to do that now, or not. What else do you propose?

I've already made a bunch of suggestions, you'll have to look through some other threads.. You have scholarship allotments, you fill those in the recruiting and stop (signatures obtained, signing can happen at anytime a recruits wishes, no need for a signing day or wait period. You cannot over sign. You can have any other recruits walk on. I also like the idea of placing all recruits that want scholarships into a draft and allow P5 to perform their own draft. Recruits that want a particular school have the option of walking on and being given a scholarship the following year before the draft and that scholarship will then be deducted for the following draft. This also takes NIL out of any one area for any one team. Any business can rep whoever, wherever, but that doesn't mean that you can essentially buy them for your team. Furthermore, any violations result in penalties toward recruiting, no more of this nonsensical taking trophies or wins away. I also think that partial qualifiers should be allowed. Give these kids the chance to go to college, sit on the side, get their grades up before they ever see the field. It allows for more athletes, helps those kids further their education, and no downside. Any school that could be impacted due to their high academic standards is their own problem.

I'm sure there's more, but there's a taste.

 

[outofyourmind]

It will just be an easier way for the BIG to manipulate their schedules.

I don't blame them.

 

[Thiefery]

I'm all for it, if all conferences matched the two best teams in the CCG, I can get on board with the winners of those CCG getting an AQ for the CFP. If they kept it with div winners advancing to their CCG, it's a hangup for me.

 

[outofyourmind]

it's a hangup for me.

why, they still have to play their way in.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I've already made a bunch of suggestions, you'll have to look through some other threads.. You have scholarship allotments, you fill those in the recruiting and stop (signatures obtained, signing can happen at anytime a recruits wishes, no need for a signing day or wait period. You cannot over sign. You can have any other recruits walk on. I also like the idea of placing all recruits that want scholarships into a draft and allow P5 to perform their own draft. Recruits that want a particular school have the option of walking on and being given a scholarship the following year before the draft and that scholarship will then be deducted for the following draft. This also takes NIL out of any one area for any one team. Any business can rep whoever, wherever, but that doesn't mean that you can essentially buy them for your team. Furthermore, any violations result in penalties toward recruiting, no more of this nonsensical taking trophies or wins away. I also think that partial qualifiers should be allowed. Give these kids the chance to go to college, sit on the side, get their grades up before they ever see the field. It allows for more athletes, helps those kids further their education, and no downside. Any school that could be impacted due to their high academic standards is their own problem.

I'm sure there's more, but there's a taste.

Okay can't say I see where this will matter but I like the creativity. Where you immediately lose me is with the idea of a draft. I a student wants to go to a certain school, they get to go there. That's one thing that makes it different from being semi-pro. I can't see a student who grew up in Georgia getting drafted by Nebraska and having to go to Nebraska. That's just not realistic.

Who over signs? I don't think that is a thing anymore. You either are at 85 or you aren't. I believe all conferences allow 25 per year with some wiggle room if you didn't use them all the year before.

The sit on the side for a year ... you know that used to be the rule ... freshman couldn't play. No way they go back to that.

 

[Thiefery]

why, they still have to play their way in.

it reminds me of the Big12 pre expansion. Should Colorado have gotten an AQ bid for upsetting UT in 2001? Should KSU have gotten an AQ for upsetting ou in the CCG?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I've already made a bunch of suggestions, you'll have to look through some other threads.. You have scholarship allotments, you fill those in the recruiting and stop (signatures obtained, signing can happen at anytime a recruits wishes, no need for a signing day or wait period. You cannot over sign. You can have any other recruits walk on. I also like the idea of placing all recruits that want scholarships into a draft and allow P5 to perform their own draft. Recruits that want a particular school have the option of walking on and being given a scholarship the following year before the draft and that scholarship will then be deducted for the following draft. This also takes NIL out of any one area for any one team. Any business can rep whoever, wherever, but that doesn't mean that you can essentially buy them for your team. Furthermore, any violations result in penalties toward recruiting, no more of this nonsensical taking trophies or wins away. I also think that partial qualifiers should be allowed. Give these kids the chance to go to college, sit on the side, get their grades up before they ever see the field. It allows for more athletes, helps those kids further their education, and no downside. Any school that could be impacted due to their high academic standards is their own problem.

I'm sure there's more, but there's a taste.

Did you just say to place recruits in a draft? That is NEVER happening. Can you imagine telling a kid from California -- congratulations, you've just been 'drafted' by Boston College. You get to move clear across the country and your only choice is to pay for your own school if you want to pick for yourself. We don't care if you've worked your entire life for the opportunity to get a scholarship -- some schools can't recruit and this needs to happen, for the fans.

Reality is -- the schools located in areas with the majority of elite recruits are ALWAYS going to be the most talented teams. Period.

You could let me pick 8 schools right now and I'd be willing to wager one of those 8 schools will win the national title each year for the next decade. The rest of CFB is only playing for the chance to get to the CFP and be fodder for one of those 8 teams. And so you know i am not being a homer -- Michigan is DEFINITELY NOT one of the 8 teams, we are part of the fodder.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Did you just say to place recruits in a draft? That is NEVER happening. Can you imagine telling a kid from California -- congratulations, you've just been 'drafted' by Boston College. You get to move clear across the country and your only choice is to pay for your own school if you want to pick for yourself. We don't care if you've worked your entire life for the opportunity to get a scholarship -- some schools can't recruit and this needs to happen, for the fans.

Reality is -- the schools located in areas with the majority of elite recruits are ALWAYS going to be the most talented teams. Period.

You could let me pick 8 schools right now and I'd be willing to wager one of those 8 schools will win the national title each year for the next decade. The rest of CFB is only playing for the chance to get to the CFP and be fodder for one of those 8 teams. And so you know i am not being a homer -- Michigan is DEFINITELY NOT one of the 8 teams, we are part of the fodder.

I agree on the draft idea. When I talk on these forums, one rule I have is that you have to at least have something that stands a chance. For example, when people say, let's realign all the conferences, I'm out. That isn't happening.

I am curious as to your 8 ...

Bama
UGA
tOSU
OU
Clemson
USC
LSU
ND

Others:
TAMU
UF
Ore
Miami
Oregon
Michigan
FSU
Texas

 

[broncosmitty]

Did I really see the suggestion of not allowing kids to choose where they attend school?

 

[7samurai13]

I agree on the draft idea. When I talk on these forums, one rule I have is that you have to at least have something that stands a chance. For example, when people say, let's realign all the conferences, I'm out. That isn't happening.

I am curious as to your 8 ...

Bama
UGA
tOSU
OU
Clemson
USC
LSU
ND

Others:
TAMU
UF
Ore
Miami
Oregon
Michigan
FSU
Texas

ND has proven they are not capable of winning a natty

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

ND has proven they are not capable of winning a natty

No argument from me on that. That first tier are the schools who got there before. ND should be in the second one.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I agree on the draft idea. When I talk on these forums, one rule I have is that you have to at least have something that stands a chance. For example, when people say, let's realign all the conferences, I'm out. That isn't happening.

I am curious as to your 8 ...

Bama
UGA
tOSU
OU
Clemson
USC
LSU
ND

Others:
TAMU
UF
Ore
Miami
Oregon
Michigan
FSU
Texas

I wouldn't put ND in the top 8, they are in the same boat as a Michigan -- not enough in state talent and having to rely almost soley on recruiting nationally. They will have teams good enough to get to the dance, but they will never put together teams like so many teams in the South.

The other 7 I'd keep. The last of the 8, I'd take either TAMU or Texas, just because of the enormous amount of talent in the state -- if they ever get the right coach in place -- they could easily field a NC contender. Honestly -- you could just give me Bama, Georgia, OSU, Clemson, LSU and USC (now that they finally have a coach who looks like he will be holding the talent in Cali at home) and I'd wager 1 of those 6 teams will win 9 of the next 10 National titles and wouldn't be surprised in the least if it were 10 out of 10.

The talk of "parity" in CFB is laughable. As long as the overwhelming majority of elite recruits are located in a select few areas of the country -- the teams in the select few areas of the country will continue to be the teams winning titles. Only way any team outside of those areas will ever be a national power with a legit chance to win a NC is if they have an alumni who decides to buy some recruiting classes.

 

[NinerSpartan]

Jim Phillips aligning the ACC with the Big Ten and the Pac-12 just shows what type of rat bastard the ACC has hired. Somebody needs to put a $10,000 bounty on his head.

 

[Thiefery]

Did I really see the suggestion of not allowing kids to choose where they attend school?

 

[Thiefery]

I wouldn't put ND in the top 8, they are in the same boat as a Michigan -- not enough in state talent and having to rely almost soley on recruiting nationally. They will have teams good enough to get to the dance, but they will never put together teams like so many teams in the South.

The other 7 I'd keep. The last of the 8, I'd take either TAMU or Texas, just because of the enormous amount of talent in the state -- if they ever get the right coach in place -- they could easily field a NC contender. Honestly -- you could just give me Bama, Georgia, OSU, Clemson, LSU and USC (now that they finally have a coach who looks like he will be holding the talent in Cali at home) and I'd wager 1 of those 6 teams will win 9 of the next 10 National titles and wouldn't be surprised in the least if it were 10 out of 10.

The talk of "parity" in CFB is laughable. As long as the overwhelming majority of elite recruits are located in a select few areas of the country -- the teams in the select few areas of the country will continue to be the teams winning titles. Only way any team outside of those areas will ever be a national power with a legit chance to win a NC is if they have an alumni who decides to buy some recruiting classes.

might as well put both Texas schools.. they really about to start flexing in this new age of NIL

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Okay can't say I see where this will matter but I like the creativity. Where you immediately lose me is with the idea of a draft. I a student wants to go to a certain school, they get to go there. That's one thing that makes it different from being semi-pro. I can't see a student who grew up in Georgia getting drafted by Nebraska and having to go to Nebraska. That's just not realistic.

The draft was just a fun thing I was thinking about the other day. If an athlete wants to play for Denver, but gets drafted by the Lions, they have to deal with that too, once it essentially becomes a semi-pro league where school/classes are optional, I don't see much problem.

Who over signs? I don't think that is a thing anymore. You either are at 85 or you aren't. I believe all conferences allow 25 per year with some wiggle room if you didn't use them all the year before.

I haven't been following recruiting like I used to as it's all fucked now, but I do recall Sabans Bama essentially doing it.

The sit on the side for a year ... you know that used to be the rule ... freshman couldn't play. No way they go back to that.

I am talking about partial qualifiers, there is no reason to NOT allow a kid to go to campus and get his grades up before he sees the field. I'm not talking about all freshman, wtf.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Reality is -- the schools located in areas with the majority of elite recruits are ALWAYS going to be the most talented teams. Period.

That's not how it has always been. No reason to think it always will from here on out.

You could let me pick 8 schools right now and I'd be willing to wager one of those 8 schools will win the national title each year for the next decade. The rest of CFB is only playing for the chance to get to the CFP and be fodder for one of those 8 teams. And so you know i am not being a homer -- Michigan is DEFINITELY NOT one of the 8 teams, we are part of the fodder.

Congrats, you can see the problem with CFB.

 

[outofyourmind]

it reminds me of the Big12 pre expansion. Should Colorado have gotten an AQ bid for upsetting UT in 2001? Should KSU have gotten an AQ for upsetting ou in the CCG?

Yep