B1G/Sec talk scheduling partnership

ericd7633 said:
Yeah, 4 a piece is ridiculous. I don't think the B1G has 4 teams that will be worthy this year. That would be bad.
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In any given year, you'll be hard pressed to find more than 4 teams outside those 2 conferences that are deserving.

If the season ended today, the top 12 would feature 11 teams from the 2 conferences (5 from the B1G and 6 from the SEC).
 
Tharvot said:
In any given year, you'll be hard pressed to find more than 4 teams outside those 2 conferences that are deserving.

If the season ended today, the top 12 would feature 11 teams from the 2 conferences (5 from the B1G and 6 from the SEC).
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I have to believe that the ACC winner would be better than the 4, 5, or 6 from the P2. I am not at all sure about the B12, although I am thinking that their best would be in the 4-6 range.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I have to believe that the ACC winner would be better than the 4, 5, or 6 from the P2. I am not at all sure about the B12, although I am thinking that their best would be in the 4-6 range.
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Most years I'd bet the combination of the 2 conferences will be able to pretty easily field 6-7 of the top 10 football teams in the country.

Automatic bids may be a bridge too far, especially when the B1G is notorious for having 1-2 high quality teams and a load of poop after. 2 AQs each might be fair with no cap on total number of teams eligible from each conference.
 
ralphiewvu said:
That’s not going to be some easy layup. They may end up dying but it won’t be without a fight, and I have a hard time believing every mid major with the ACC and B12 are going to give into the B1G/SEC demands when it comes to March.
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Notice I said when it came to BBall the ACC and B12 will be part of the "alliance".

Those 4 conference decide to hold their own post-tournament and there will be literally nothing anyone else can do. Look the other schools will earn just like they have the P4 in basketball will just split the 1 billion the NCCA banked to pay their bills so that would be 250mm to each conference.

Now tell me the ACC and Big 12 aren't going to be on board.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Notice I said when it came to BBall the ACC and B12 will be part of the "alliance".

Those 4 conference decide to hold their own post-tournament and there will be literally nothing anyone else can do. Look the other schools will earn just like they have the P4 in basketball will just split the 1 billion the NCCA banked to pay their bills so that would be 250mm to each conference.

Now tell me the ACC and Big 12 aren't going to be on board.
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I did not notice, because you did not say it to me. Of course the ACC and B12 will be on board but I imagine those two will try and tie that in with something for the CFP. Ultimately agreeing to multiple auto bids for the SEC/B1G as a way not to get left behind.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I have to believe that the ACC winner would be better than the 4, 5, or 6 from the P2. I am not at all sure about the B12, although I am thinking that their best would be in the 4-6 range.
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From what we've seen so far, I don't see a Big 12 team finishing in the top 10, maybe the top 15. Unless there is widespread carnage in the other three conferences. Utah and K-State have disappointing. Okie Lite is 0-2 in conference. Maybe Iowa State can emerge.
 
ralphiewvu said:
I did not notice, because you did not say it to me. Of course the ACC and B12 will be on board but I imagine those two will try and tie that in with something for the CFP. Ultimately agreeing to multiple auto bids for the SEC/B1G as a way not to get left behind.
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In the current landscape and revenue differences, I can see any scenario where the B1G and SEC don't get less than 8 spots anyway. And if those revenue gaps grow as expected, it will be even higher. The top 1/2 of both those conferences will be better than all the rest of the country. Even if schools try to mess it up by missing on recruits, transfer portal, etc, they'll still have such an advantage they can't mess it up.
 
Deep Creek said:
In the current landscape and revenue differences, I can see any scenario where the B1G and SEC don't get less than 8 spots anyway. And if those revenue gaps grow as expected, it will be even higher. The top 1/2 of both those conferences will be better than all the rest of the country. Even if schools try to mess it up by missing on recruits, transfer portal, etc, they'll still have such an advantage they can't mess it up.
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Agreed, that's why I do think the ultimate goal is to disband the auto bids.
 
Deep Creek said:
In the current landscape and revenue differences, I can see any scenario where the B1G and SEC don't get less than 8 spots anyway. And if those revenue gaps grow as expected, it will be even higher. The top 1/2 of both those conferences will be better than all the rest of the country. Even if schools try to mess it up by missing on recruits, transfer portal, etc, they'll still have such an advantage they can't mess it up.
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I don't mind them taking 8 spots ... if you run the CFP-12 scenario back 10 years, that is kind of what you get. I do object to 4 AQs. 3 AQs is fine by me, with others being at large.

Here are the numbers ... not sure how having the new teams affects this ... this includes them in the numbers, but with tougher schedules, I don't know if that changes things.

YearB1GSEC
201433
201532
201662
201754
201845
201944
202025
202133
202243
202355
3936
 
ralphiewvu said:
I’m more worried about the ask for multiple auto bids per conference.
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It is what it is. SEC/Big 10 are going to be half the playoff anyway. At least this way fans can replace 1 scrub game for a decent inter-conference game.
 
Codaxx said:
It is what it is. SEC/Big 10 are going to be half the playoff anyway. At least this way fans can
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And they'll have to give up one home game every other year. ADs and some coaches may not like it but I would think the fans will love getting rid of at least one scrub game.
 
Deep Creek said:
And they'll have to give up one home game every other year. ADs and some coaches may not like it but I would think the fans will love getting rid of at least one scrub game.
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It really hurts schools like UGA, UF, TX, OU and others who play an annual neutral site game.

The B1G is also insisting that the SEC play 9 IC games. While I am for that, 4 SEC teams already have OOC rival games they play every year ... UGA, UF, UK, and USCjr. If we then to a deal with the B1G, that would give us one other game to play teams like Clemson, FSU, etc. That means in some years we could have as few as 5 home games. That's not good.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
It really hurts schools like UGA, UF, TX, OU and others who play an annual neutral site game.

The B1G is also insisting that the SEC play 9 IC games. While I am for that, 4 SEC teams already have OOC rival games they play every year ... UGA, UF, UK, and USCjr. If we then to a deal with the B1G, that would give us one other game to play teams like Clemson, FSU, etc. That means in some years we could have as few as 5 home games. That's not good.
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I’d be for the other conferences going back to 8 conference games, IF, and that is a capital IF ALL the additional non conference games are against other P2/M2 opponents. 8 conference games, 3 P2/M2 OOC games and 1 OOC game against Leon’s Truck Driving School or such. Those OOC games would give the committee more data points to compare.
 
Codaxx said:
It is what it is. SEC/Big 10 are going to be half the playoff anyway. At least this way fans can replace 1 scrub game for a decent inter-conference game.
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It is what it is, you are right. And as the years go and the gap of payouts widens it likely is waaaay more than half making it in.
 
Okay. Experts elaborate for me. These two conferences form a partnership. Are they playing each other in the regular season? Or are they just looking to make up the bulk of the playoff? Or both? I am a little mixed up on if they play each other during the season and make up the bulk of the playoff, won't the playoff be a group of games we already saw during the season? I know the playoff could sort of end up being that way now, but the B1G isn't playing the SEC on a regular basis during the season.
 
Okay. I had a moment to read some things. I was of the thinking that both conferences would have teams play each other a lot during the regular season. It appears that it would not be as many games as I was thinking.
 
Deep Creek said:
I’d be for the other conferences going back to 8 conference games, IF, and that is a capital IF ALL the additional non conference games are against other P2/M2 opponents. 8 conference games, 3 P2/M2 OOC games and 1 OOC game against Leon’s Truck Driving School or such. Those OOC games would give the committee more data points to compare.
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I am actually for 9 once I see the Committee weighing schedules correctly. The TV will be so much more compelling.
 
Collegefbfan said:
Okay. Experts elaborate for me. These two conferences form a partnership. Are they playing each other in the regular season? Or are they just looking to make up the bulk of the playoff? Or both? I am a little mixed up on if they play each other during the season and make up the bulk of the playoff, won't the playoff be a group of games we already saw during the season? I know the playoff could sort of end up being that way now, but the B1G isn't playing the SEC on a regular basis during the season.
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I haven't put a lot of time into it, but I think both. Sort of a B1G v. SEC thing like they do in hoops. But they are also exercising their power. Let's assume the below is true ... you can see why they feel they should be calling the shots. I hate this guy on Twitter so I am not going to give him the impressions, but this seems correct. He's a Big 10 guy, so no SEC bias by him. Can there be any doubt as to why the P2 thinks they should have control? That doesn't mean I like all that they will do ... but there is a reason that those two conferences get the most money.

College football viewership from week 0 to week 5 for the P4 conferences - accum totals

Big Ten: 95.271M
SEC: 121.418M
ACC: 44.794M
Big 12: 57.885M
 
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