Poll Bears 2024 qb

[Across The Field]

Oh so now we're just making shit up? I guess this is where, I say you'd suck his dick if he asked?

Nah, because what I said is actually rational. You're saying he was the reason they lost in a game he threw for 335 yards and 4 TDs. Think about how stupid that is.

 

[Across The Field]

28-7, when Denver marches down the field and scores with an impressive drive. Steal some of the momentum back. How did the Bears answer? By going 3 and out in one of the gayest series' of the year, including a design QB run where he slid down after 2 yards. Punt. Now Denver is really stealing the moment. They put another big drive together for another score, and now they have all the momentum. Down 21-28, but rockin'. What happens next, on the first play of the Bears' drive? That fumble, to tie the game up, and ultimately propel them to the victory.

Bears D shit the bed on 2 drives there, but that fumble can't happen. Free blitzer or not. He HAS to protect the football there. You can make excuses all fucking day, but HE fumbled it. No one else.

Denver was 26th in the NFL in total offense, and you are casually dismissing the defense collapsing on two straight drives when they were needing to sack up and get a stop the most. Seriously.

 

[beardown07]

The Bears scored 28 points on 4 Fields TDs. Only 4 teams in the entire NFL averaged 28 PPG and they all made the playoffs. That is obviously enough to win, and he was the driving force of the offense. He had a monster game, yet you want to literally ignore all of his great play that day to focus on one play where he was hit by a blindside blitz immediately on a PA play. You are proving my point for me.

Because it's the same shit. Hot starts, late sharts. As I have stated all along. The game is 60 minutes. It doesn't matter how great you start, if you shrivel to finish. And as shown, those defensive collapses weren't all on the D. You have to play complimentary football, or one can negatively affect the other. Like going 3 and out to answer a big score by the other team, etc.

 

[Tharvot]

I think this point is much more relevant to Chicago, as they're the only team that's been worse at developing QBs than Cleveland. If they don't fix the coaching staff, it won't matter if it's Fields, Caleb Williams, or whoever else, they're going to be in the same cycle every year.

Haha, yeah. The theory assumes the front office isn't completely inept...so some franchises need not apply (though I think Cleveland finally has a good setup!).

 

[Across The Field]

Because it's the same shit. Hot starts, late sharts. As I have stated all along. The game is 60 minutes. It doesn't matter how great you start, if you shrivel to finish. And as shown, those defensive collapses weren't all on the D. You have to play complimentary football, or one can negatively affect the other. Like going 3 and out to answer a big score by the other team, etc.

Fields and the offense started hot and gave the defense all the momentum they should have needed to win that game. The Denver offense was trash and the defense completely shit the bed when it mattered most.

 

[beardown07]

Nah, because what I said is actually rational. You're saying he was the reason they lost in a game he threw for 335 yards and 4 TDs. Think about how stupid that is.

I've already shown you that he was a huge part of both the Denver loss and the Cleveland loss. Yet here you are still throwing out the dumb stats, which coincidentally also work kin my favor, as already stated, that's what, one time over 300 yds in 3 years?

You are cherry-picking stats, while completely ignoring nuances and context.

 

[Across The Field]

Haha, yeah. The theory assumes the front office isn't completely inept...so some franchises need not apply (though I think Cleveland finally has a good setup!).

If Watson is even 70% of what he was in 2020 they're a playoff team every year. It's so sad that they finally put all the pieces together and he's the weak link. I would've loved to see Baker in the offense this year.

 

[beardown07]

Fields and the offense started hot and gave the defense all the momentum they should have needed to win that game. The Denver offense was trash and the defense completely shit the bed when it mattered most.

Denver was actually turning the corner...after giving up 70 early on, they actually were playing decent ball by midseason.

 

[Across The Field]

I've already shown you that he was a huge part of both the Denver loss and the Cleveland loss. Yet here you are still throwing out the dumb stats, which coincidentally also work kin my favor, as already stated, that's what, one time over 300 yds in 3 years?

You are cherry-picking stats, while completely ignoring nuances and context.

LMAO how is pointing out his performance for an entire game cherry-picking? The defense lost them that game, and it's clear as day to anyone who doesn't have a very weird axe to grind.

 

[Across The Field]

Denver was actually turning the corner...after giving up 70 early on, they actually were playing decent ball by midseason.

Dude, they were 26th in total offense.

 

[beardown07]

LMAO how is pointing out his performance for an entire game cherry-picking? The defense lost them that game, and it's clear as day to anyone who doesn't have a very weird axe to grind.

Because you ignore his second half. You ignore what a 3 and out does to their D, having just gave up a 70 yard scoring drive, only to have to go right back out there after 30 seconds of air. You ignore what a unnecessary game-tying fumble does to a team.

 

[beardown07]

Dude, they were 26th in total offense.

It was week 5. Every team is capable of good and bad football, bruh. You rely too heavily on numbers, and numbers lie.

 

[Across The Field]

Because you ignore his second half. You ignore what a 3 and out does to their D, having just gave up a 70 yard scoring drive, only to have to go right back out there after 30 seconds of air. You ignore what a unnecessary game-tying fumble does to a team.

So if he had 2 TDs in the first half and 2 TDs in the second half that would've magically made a difference? You're so eager to excuse the major fuckups from everyone else just so you can blame Fields for everything. Again, this was the same shit idiot Browns fan said about their best QB this century and now look.

 

[beardown07]

So if he had 2 TDs in the first half and 2 TDs in the second half that would've magically made a difference? You're so eager to excuse the major fuckups from everyone else just so you can blame Fields for everything. Again, this was the same shit idiot Browns fan said about their best QB this century and now look.

Maybe. It's all is connected. Time burned, momentum, rhythm, etc...Certainly going 3 and out or turning it over all second half, doesn't fucking help. duh


And I don't blame him for everything, but he is not without blame.

It's actually YOU who blames everyone else and completely absolves him of blame. You are the one with all the excuses. Oh it's his line, his D, his coaching, his WRs, everyone else is to blame for his failures. Hell, you even wanna blame the "stupid" fans.

 

[packerzrule]

Bart Starr

 

[Across The Field]

Maybe. It's all is connected. Time burned, momentum, rhythm, etc...Certainly going 3 and out or turning it over all second half, doesn't fucking help. duh


And I don't blame him for everything, but he is not without blame.

It's actually YOU who blames everyone else and completely absolves him of blame. You are the one with all the excuses. Oh it's his line, his D, his coaching, his WRs, everyone else is to blame for his failures. Hell, you even wanna blame the "stupid" fans.

I've repeatedly said he's not where he should be from a development standpoint and has work to do. I've said that all along. However you have absolutely blamed him for everything. It was in your initial post that started this dialogue where you said he was "ABSOLUTELY the problem". I don't play semantics so I'm going to take you at your word.

You still can't answer my question about what other rookie QB was gonna come in to his situation with shit coaching, a shit OL and shit weapons and somehow become great, so I guess that sums it up. You are sitting here trying to argue that Fields got the offense off to too hot of a start and scored too much early and somehow that made it his fault they lost. In a game he had 335 yards passing and 4 TDs. Holy shit man.

 

[beardown07]

I've repeatedly said he's not where he should be from a development standpoint and has work to do. I've said that all along. However you have absolutely blamed him for everything. It was in your initial post that started this dialogue where you said he was "ABSOLUTELY the problem". I don't play semantics so I'm going to take you at your word.

You still can't answer my question about what other rookie QB was gonna come in to his situation with shit coaching, a shit OL and shit weapons and somehow become great, so I guess that sums it up. You are sitting here trying to argue that Fields got the offense off to too hot of a start and scored too much early and somehow that made it his fault they lost. In a game he had 335 yards passing and 4 TDs. Holy shit man.

Cool, it was meant to cut the shit about him being absolved from any blame. It was meant to disagree with the post that he just needs more around him. I disagree with that. I don't think that's his problem at all. I think the Bears fielded a team this year that was good enough to win. I think one of the weakest links on the team, happens to play the most important position, QB. Currently, he is not a good QB. He's a good football player, a tremendous athlete, and a nice kid. But he is not a good QB.

So ya, when you start spouting off about Denver and Cleveland, I pointed out the context and nuance that you deliberately ignore. Yes, he played a huge part in both of those losses. That is undeniable. From second half failures and untimely turnovers in the Denver game, to the D setting him up huge and him doing nothing with it in Cleveland.

Does that mean there weren't other factors? Of course not. As stated, it's all connected tho. There are ripples from every negative play.


We are 3 years in, and he is still lackadaisical in his drop back, he is still prone to ditch after the first read, he still has an awful windup, he is still habitually late on throws, he still struggles with accuracy, particularly with in routes, he still shrivels when it matters most, and he still only plays well against shitty teams, (save for Detroit).

I like the kid, but if the Bears pass on the number 1 for the second straight year, and next year at this time we are still having this conversation, the city of Chicago will burn.

I just don't see enough to warrant that. I'll support him the best I can, if that's the case, but I have my doubts, that he'll ever be much more than he is right now, which is not good enough.

 

[TaikoTiger]

My Ohio State fanhood aside, he's the most talented QB the Bears have had in ages. Do me a favor - name one QB who, in his first 3 years in the league, had complete trash coaching/coaching turnover and (for the majority of the time) a trash OL and trash weapons and actually looked great.

Off the top of my head: Stroud, Burrow, Watson comes to mind

 

[beardown07]

Every year that passes, his running prowess and threat becomes smaller.

If you took that away from him now, he's late-stage Colin Kaepernick, without the resume'.

 

[beardown07]

I've repeatedly said he's not where he should be from a development standpoint and has work to do. I've said that all along. However you have absolutely blamed him for everything. It was in your initial post that started this dialogue where you said he was "ABSOLUTELY the problem". I don't play semantics so I'm going to take you at your word.

You still can't answer my question about what other rookie QB was gonna come in to his situation with shit coaching, a shit OL and shit weapons and somehow become great, so I guess that sums it up. You are sitting here trying to argue that Fields got the offense off to too hot of a start and scored too much early and somehow that made it his fault they lost. In a game he had 335 yards passing and 4 TDs. Holy shit man.

Fuck ya, what a first half he had, eh?

How'd he do in the second half again?

I mean, fuck, how many times you gonna throw that useless stat line out there, thinking it proves fucking anything? Holy shit man is right. Jesus.