Better Job: Arizona State or Nebraska?

Better Coaching Gig?

  • Nebraska

    Votes: 29 63.0%

  • Arizona State

    Votes: 17 37.0%
  • Total voters
    46
A billion dollars says trust me responds….
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
You can agree or disagree with the lists, I don't care. I was one-off in my initial count. Sue me, I was in a hurry. It's still 60%/40%.
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I consider Texas as the Southwest, as well as Arizona and the states around it. And the whole warm weather, cold weather debate is nothing more than opinion, as UM signs kids from "the south" everywhere else, each year.

Here is the breakdown of UM's 2022 recruiting class:
We only signed 4 kids from the Midwest TOTAL.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
It’s obvious … you win every year, you are a cool school to go to, you win NCs, get into the CFP often. I mean, I have to explain this to an OSU fan? You tell me … why do you have top ranked classes and draw great players from the south and most other northern school struggles with that?
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Urban Meyer opened up Ohio States recruiting to the whole country. Before that Ohio State won with regional players.

So my question still remains, what is to stop any other northern school from doing the same?
 
fishinabarrel said:
Urban Meyer opened up Ohio States recruiting to the whole country. Before that Ohio State won with regional players.

So my question still remains, what is to stop any other northern school from doing the same?
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Evidently, hiring an Urban Meyer.

Kind of going off on a tangent, but can we agree that there has been a migration of quality football to the south, even the southeast? Any way you look at it - recruiting, quality of high school football, NFL draft, NCs - CFB is more and more concentrated in the south and southeast. tOSU has bucked that trend at some level, but no one else. So what do you think can be done to reverse that trend so that in 10 years the B1G or PAC would get the best recruits, win the most NCs, and send the most players to the NFL?
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Evidently, hiring an Urban Meyer.

Kind of going off on a tangent, but can we agree that there has been a migration of quality football to the south, even the southeast? Any way you look at it - recruiting, quality of high school football, NFL draft, NCs - CFB is more and more concentrated in the south and southeast. tOSU has bucked that trend at some level, but no one else. So what do you think can be done to reverse that trend so that in 10 years the B1G or PAC would get the best recruits, win the most NCs, and send the most players to the NFL?
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Yes I can agree with that. What I'm arguing against is the weather thing. I think the attitude towards football in the southeast has much more to do with it. The "it just means more" adage the SEC uses has truth behind it
 
fishinabarrel said:
Yes I can agree with that. What I'm arguing against is the weather thing. I think the attitude towards football in the southeast has much more to do with it. The "it just means more" adage the SEC uses has truth behind it
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I have posted several times that I can't prove it's the weather that causes kids from the south to not want to go to the north. I think it is a big part, but it's not the only part for sure. I've posted on this site many times that even though it's against my best interest that I would prefer more parity in CFB. I guess as big if a Dawg fan that I am, I am just as big a CFB fan. When I see what the 12 team CFP might lead is to, my hope in 10 years is that there really are 12 teams all of whom have a shot at winning. Or at least 6 to 8 teams.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I have posted several times that I can't prove it's the weather that causes kids from the south to not want to go to the north. I think it is a big part, but it's not the only part for sure. I've posted on this site many times that even though it's against my best interest that I would prefer more parity in CFB. I guess as big if a Dawg fan that I am, I am just as big a CFB fan. When I see what the 12 team CFP might lead is to, my hope in 10 years is that there really are 12 teams all of whom have a shot at winning. Or at least 6 to 8 teams.
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I think the big TV deals and NIL could help in that regard as well. Get the coach, invest in the team/program and you can be successful outside the SEC. The SEC's dominance has come a lot to do with Bama going on a tear the likes that have never been seen before in modern football. Yes auburn, LSU, Florida, and Georgia have won has well but it doesn't look nearly as bad without bama winning it every other season lol
 
Kachina said:
Serious question, and the only reason I was think ASU might have the lead is just the fact that they are surrounded by more talent, and therefore easier recruiting.

Nebraska is in the middle of no where, and if you are a young guy walking on campus, do you go to the corn fields, or to the school that requires tan women to wear little to no clothing?
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Here is my take:
Location has very little to do with recruiting. If that were the case no one would want to go to Alabama and Hawaii would be a super power program. Recruits (pre-NIL) went to schools for the coach. During the 80's it was prestigious to be recruited by ND, Penn St, or Nebraska. They were the it programs among others. But these programs all shared two things: a) They were in the middle of bumfuck America b) They had rock star coaches.


So I vote Nebraska on this one. There was a reason Bruce named an album after it
 
ThePeoplesChicken said:
Here is my take:
Location has very little to do with recruiting. If that were the case no one would want to go to Alabama and Hawaii would be a super power program. Recruits (pre-NIL) went to schools for the coach. During the 80's it was prestigious to be recruited by ND, Penn St, or Nebraska. They were the it programs among others. But these programs all shared two things: a) They were in the middle of bumfuck America b) They had rock star coaches.


So I vote Nebraska on this one. There was a reason Bruce named an album after it
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I'm not talking location as in Hawaii, I'm talking location as in where the recruits are. Alabama is a loaded state when it comes to CFB recruits, as are their neighbors, Georgia and Florida. THAT kind of location matters.

That's what I say about Arizona State, as California is a direct neighbor, and Arizona is a decent state when it comes to recruits.

Nebraska is surrounded by states that aren't considered 'high level' recruiting states.

That's what I mean by location.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Impossible, no. Nothing is impossible. The odds are astronomical though, as they will never be able to recruit like the Bama's, Georgia's, Ohio State's, etc. To put it in perspective -- Nebraska has signed two five star recruits in 22 years. Even if they start bringing in consistent top 15 classes -- it is still way behind those schools.

On top of that -- you no longer have to play one bowl game to win a title. You have to beat 2 elite programs and by the time Nebraska would ever make it to the CFP -- they'd now have to beat 3 teams who all will likely be more talented top to bottom to win a title.

Setting the goal of being competitive in the B1G West should be their goal. As it stands -- they have lost 8 in a row to Wiscy and 7 in a row to Iowa.
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I’m not an NIL fan with a couple of exceptions. One is the players get some money… and in some cases a lot of it.

What I’m hoping for is NIL will distribute talent more evenly and be less concentrated in only a few schools. Because we haven’t seen a team win it all in many, many moons that didn’t have top talent. Coaching can only get a team so far.
 
fishinabarrel said:
I think the big TV deals and NIL could help in that regard as well. Get the coach, invest in the team/program and you can be successful outside the SEC. The SEC's dominance has come a lot to do with Bama going on a tear the likes that have never been seen before in modern football. Yes auburn, LSU, Florida, and Georgia have won has well but it doesn't look nearly as bad without bama winning it every other season lol
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I don't want to get into a chest-thumping post, but you have to go past "it's all Bama." By every other measure, the SEC has been just as dominant versus other conferences in the last 20 years. Choose your measuring stick - recruiting, top 10 finishes, top 25 finishes, NFL draft, bowl games, conference v. conference, and even things like demographic changes of people from the north to the south, or California going from football playing demo graphics to non-football playing demographics. To me, it still looks bad, and I say that as someone who, as I said just above, wants parity. As for "it's all Bama" keep in mind part of that is because the SEC schools have to go through Bama ... if they weren't there, it's highly likely it could have been or would have been other SEC programs winning many of those natties. I mean 3 of the last 10 years NC games had 2 SEC teams - going back to LSU v. Bama.

I agree and hope that NIL, transfer portal and CFP expansion will drive parity. I am fearful that the big TV deals will not. Maybe SEC and B1G, but I am concerned about the other conferences.
 
No way urban could resurrect another program....he killed his brand in jacksonville
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
Probably can get a more lucrative contract at Nebraska due to TV money.
At the same time, your chances of regaining former glory there are next to zero.

If you can get Nebraska back to their ceiling of 8-9 win seasons, then go for it.
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Then you get fired. Their fans think they are a 11-12 win team.
 
Wishbone said:
After spending the whole weekend in Nebraska I feel so bad for that fan base man. They are so loyal and it was hard to be at the stadium and see that decline in person. I hope they can get back.
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Deep Creek said:
I’m not an NIL fan with a couple of exceptions. One is the players get some money… and in some cases a lot of it.

What I’m hoping for is NIL will distribute talent more evenly and be less concentrated in only a few schools. Because we haven’t seen a team win it all in many, many moons that didn’t have top talent. Coaching can only get a team so far.
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I'm not a fan of NIL either, but the reality is, the elite schools are the schools with the deepest pockets already. So it isn't as if you will see the talent being spread out much at all, IMO.

And I think the days of seeing a team win a national title when they aren't recruiting elite nationally are over for multiple reasons.

1. Internet -- it doesn't matter if a recruit is next door or 2,000 miles away, the elite programs can be in contact as often as they'd like. They can watch all their games from the comfort of their own office if they'd like. So the days of recruits slipping thru the cracks are over -- hell -- you have programs recruiting into France, Germany, Australia, American Samoa, etc.

2. Strength/Conditioning programs -- Every high school now has strength and conditioning programs. What set a school like Nebraska apart in the 70's and beyond is they were the 1st school to take that serious. Now schools pay millions of of dollars toward it.

3. National HS football camps/showcases -- Now schools get to see elite recruits up against elite recruits all over the place in these camps while recruiting them for 2, 3, 4+ years.

4. Specialized individual coaches in HS -- Private QB coaches, private OL coaches, pick a position group and you will find businesses dedicated to training players at certain positions. It is why you see schools spending millions and millions on recruiting, as HS players are now closer to their ceiling than ever before because of all the training they have available to them.

5. Lastly -- Social Media -- Another HUGE reason why in state talent is such an enormous advantage. The elite in state talent who sign with the Bama, Georgia, OSU, etc. can now start recruiting for those programs, by following other elite recruits, sharing videos, re-tweeting, etc. etc. They know those schools and the state because that is where they were born and raised. They can sell the recruits on the school, because they have been to the school a ton of times, been on the campus a ton of times, been to the games, know the social scene in the area, etc.


So while I would love to see more parity in CFB -- unless they institute a NFL style draft for recruiting. We will see much of the same.



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ThePeoplesChicken said:
Location has very little to do with recruiting. If that were the case no one would want to go to Alabama and Hawaii would be a super power program. Recruits (pre-NIL) went to schools for the coach. During the 80's it was prestigious to be recruited by ND, Penn St, or Nebraska. They were the it programs among others. But these programs all shared two things: a) They were in the middle of bumfuck America b) They had rock star coaches.
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During the 60's, 70's, 80's and some of the 90's -- The Midwest schools like ND, like Penn State, like Nebraska were powerhouse programs because...................the Midwest was where the majority of elite recruits were located, as the Midwest was where the majority of the people were. In those decades, it was power football, you ran the ball down people's throats. The big farm boys that you can get everywhere in the Midwest dominated the line of scrimmage.

As the population shifted from the Midwest during the industrial decline (mostly steel) and manufacturing decline -- the population shifted from the Midwest to the South/West, not just for employment, but nicer climates.

Here are a few examples.
Florida population in the 1960's was 4.9 million
Florida population in the 2020's is 21.5 million

Georgia population in the 1960's was 3.9 million
Georgia population in the 2020's is 10.7 million

Texas population in the 1960's was 9.5 million
Texas population in the 20202's is 29 million

California population in the 1960's was 15 million
California population in the 1960's is 39 million

To compare the growth in the Midwest -- If you added the population growth of Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania over 50 years the 3 state combined have only went up just under 6 million.

Also -- as the game changed from 3 yards and a cloud of dust to spread offenses and speed at every position, it has pushed the Midwest further from epicenter of elite recruits. For every 1 elite skills position player from the Midwest -- the South will produce a dozen.

I will end it with this. If location doesn't matter -- is it just a coincidence that essentially every elite recruiting program is located in and around elite recruiting states? The only two who will recruit a top 10 class right now not located in or on the border of an elite state is Michigan and Notre Dame, the two Blue Bloods who are known for their academics, as well as their football.
 
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