Big East Basketball

[jontaejones]

Kstate is kinda a joke

but good win for SJU just absolutely blasting them

Yea, they're just a revolving door of transfers.

They have Hausen from Nova. Neptune couldn't even keep Hausen!

 

[Mr.Hockey]

This is fucking annoying.

Kam with 2 dumb fouls(that we on him) but other than that its game 8 this year where apparently fouls are only drawn by Wisconsin.

The clean block foul on Ross was one of the more egregiously bad calls I have ever seen.

 

[Mr.Hockey]

Fucking insane.

Tonje drives out of control, travels every possession and winds up at the line

He's 2/6 with 8 free throws attempts. Not even basketball

 

[Mr.Hockey]

And what do you know. Tonje gets called for his hooking arm bullshit(only once but still) and the fouls dry up for the first 10 minutes of 2nd half

Fucking bloodbath.

Ben walling up and putting those flopping bitches on their back was incredible

 

[jontaejones]

And what do you know. Tonje gets called for his hooking arm bullshit(only once but still) and the fouls dry up for the first 10 minutes of 2nd half

Fucking bloodbath.

Ben walling up and putting those flopping bitches on their back was incredible

It was a good win.

They couldn't lose to Wisconsin again.

The Big East bubble is alive again, 12-8 with a win over Marquette might get it done.

 

[Mr.Hockey]

It was a good win.

They couldn't lose to Wisconsin again.

The Big East bubble is alive again, 12-8 with a win over Marquette might get it done.

Will be interesting to see if Creighton losing Isaacs even hurts much. That guy is essentially a kamikazee.

Uconn and SJU will get in.

Butler, Creighton next on the list.

Everyone else needs a lot of work.

 

[ericd7633]

And what do you know. Tonje gets called for his hooking arm bullshit(only once but still) and the fouls dry up for the first 10 minutes of 2nd half

Fucking bloodbath.

Ben walling up and putting those flopping bitches on their back was incredible

Appreciate your boys taking care of business since the Gophs never fucking can.

Caught the 2nd half, and Marquette was getting whatever they wanted on offense. Very impressive. Marquette trending towards a #1 seed.

 

[Mr.Hockey]

Appreciate your boys taking care of business since the Gophs never fucking can.

Caught the 2nd half, and Marquette was getting whatever they wanted on offense. Very impressive. Marquette trending towards a #1 seed.

I don't think BE will be strong enough to get there even with the Dayton win. But IDC much about seeding, would be cool though.

I've seen enough that if we get and stay healthy. We are really legit. I think there's room for things to get even better as Owens/Parham get experience. And if Joplin and Gold can ride hot streaks more than cold streaks.

As is, with health this is actually Shakas best team. Its just more versatile. The jumps that Jop/Gold have taken on D is insane. And the better length and mobility all around the lineup makes us less prone to size.

So I'm happy about that. I hope we don't drop too many in BE and get a top 2 or 3 seed. But either way I know we are legit if all 10 guys stay healthy and improve.

 

[ericd7633]

I don't think BE will be strong enough to get there even with the Dayton win. But IDC much about seeding, would be cool though.

I've seen enough that if we get and stay healthy. We are really legit. I think there's room for things to get even better as Owens/Parham get experience. And if Joplin and Gold can ride hot streaks more than cold streaks.

As is, with health this is actually Shakas best team. Its just more versatile. The jumps that Jop/Gold have taken on D is insane. And the better length and mobility all around the lineup makes us less prone to size.

So I'm happy about that. I hope we don't drop too many in BE and get a top 2 or 3 seed. But either way I know we are legit if all 10 guys stay healthy and improve.

I took a look yesterday at the top 16 seeds just to get a feel for where teams are, and I had Marquette at 7 overall. So they aren't that far off. I know the BE won't provide a bunch of Q1 wins, but if they can have a gaudy BE record, they'll get the benefit of the doubt given their ridiculous OOC SOS. I've seen projections of them finishing 27-4, which would give them probably 9 or so Q1 wins. And like 14 Q1/Q2 wins.

It stinks Marquette is a host and they can't play in Milwaukee in the first 2 rounds. Cleveland isn't that far away though.

 

[Mr.Hockey]

I took a look yesterday at the top 16 seeds just to get a feel for where teams are, and I had Marquette at 7 overall. So they aren't that far off. I know the BE won't provide a bunch of Q1 wins, but if they can have a gaudy BE record, they'll get the benefit of the doubt given their ridiculous OOC SOS. I've seen projections of them finishing 27-4, which would give them probably 9 or so Q1 wins. And like 14 Q1/Q2 wins.

It stinks Marquette is a host and they can't play in Milwaukee in the first 2 rounds. Cleveland isn't that far away though.

Yeah I think its def on the table just little room for error.

Biggest drawbacks I still(maybe stupidly) believe this BE is better than they've shown. So I think league games where teams know each other will be a grind and we will drop more than expected and a 14-6 like last year wont hold nearly as much weight likely.

The other, thank God Shaka scheduled some sneaky away from home games. Because we as it stands do not have a sure fire Q1 home game on our schedule. I think simple math would say its likely 1 of Wisco/Purdue ends up top 30 and someone else(likely Uconn) in BE will get there. But yeeeeeeesh. Purdue looks meh and Wisconsin is overachieving.

Need the Georgia and Maryland wins to keep aging well. Right now they are both tracking as Q1A wins.

 

[jontaejones]

I took a look yesterday at the top 16 seeds just to get a feel for where teams are, and I had Marquette at 7 overall. So they aren't that far off. I know the BE won't provide a bunch of Q1 wins, but if they can have a gaudy BE record, they'll get the benefit of the doubt given their ridiculous OOC SOS. I've seen projections of them finishing 27-4, which would give them probably 9 or so Q1 wins. And like 14 Q1/Q2 wins.

It stinks Marquette is a host and they can't play in Milwaukee in the first 2 rounds. Cleveland isn't that far away though.

For the Big East winner to get a #1 seed I would think 18-2 minimum for Marquette.

 

[Mr.Hockey]

For the Big East winner to get a #1 seed I would think 18-2 minimum for Marquette.

This I disagree with. As Ive said, I think its a moot

But 18-2 would have us looking more likely to be #1 overall. Our non con metrics are going to be stellar(even more so with a Dayton win) and that would mean 5 losses max(if Dayton is a L plus BE tourney)

I think 17-3 would be a clear cut 1 seed this year with our non con. I just don't think that happens so it doesn't matter.

 

[ericd7633]

Yeah I think its def on the table just little room for error.

Biggest drawbacks I still(maybe stupidly) believe this BE is better than they've shown. So I think league games where teams know each other will be a grind and we will drop more than expected and a 14-6 like last year wont hold nearly as much weight likely.

The other, thank God Shaka scheduled some sneaky away from home games. Because we as it stands do not have a sure fire Q1 home game on our schedule. I think simple math would say its likely 1 of Wisco/Purdue ends up top 30 and someone else(likely Uconn) in BE will get there. But yeeeeeeesh. Purdue looks meh and Wisconsin is overachieving.

Need the Georgia and Maryland wins to keep aging well. Right now they are both tracking as Q1A wins.

Yeah, not a lot of room for error, but I do think a little room.

It will require these OOC wins to age well, which I think they will. I think it's very likely all 5 of them (including Dayton) will all end Q1. And if Purdue/Wisconsin doesn't, it should still be a win over an at large team at the worst. Split the UConn/SJU games and lose one more along the way, and that's a very strong resume.

Also, not to be overlooked, the committee should and will reward Marquette for a heck of an OOC SOS.

 

[ericd7633]

For the Big East winner to get a #1 seed I would think 18-2 minimum for Marquette.

I think that's a little too lofty. I think 16-4 could, although not guaranteed. 17-3 would be real hard to overlook. Obviously some of this depends on other teams, but if say Duke and Marquette have similar records, Marquette will be the nod. And I can see the B1G eating each other up. Oregon has a great OOC resume, but I can't see them going 15-5 in conference play, which I think would be needed (assuming they stay undefeated in OOC play)

 

[Mr.Hockey]

Yeah, not a lot of room for error, but I do think a little room.

It will require these OOC wins to age well, which I think they will. I think it's very likely all 5 of them (including Dayton) will all end Q1. And if Purdue/Wisconsin doesn't, it should still be a win over an at large team at the worst. Split the UConn/SJU games and lose one more along the way, and that's a very strong resume.

Also, not to be overlooked, the committee should and will reward Marquette for a heck of an OOC SOS.

Yup that's what I think Jontae is overlooking with the poor BE.

6/11 NON cames vs legit tournament teams. 4 away from home. 3 true road. Plus George Mason and Central Michigan who are tracking to be excellent buy games

If we go 17-3 and don't get a 1 I'll be the equivalent of a cartoon supervillain. I just don't see us doing that though.

 

[ericd7633]

Yup that's what I think Jontae is overlooking with the poor BE.

6/11 NON cames vs legit tournament teams. 4 away from home. 3 true road. Plus George Mason and Central Michigan who are tracking to be excellent buy games

If we go 17-3 and don't get a 1 I'll be the equivalent of a cartoon supervillain. I just don't see us doing that though.

Yeah, the OOC SOS projects, at least as of now to finish top 10. Even with a weaker BE than normal, that should still be a top 40 overall SOS. UNC finished with the 32nd SOS last year and was a 7 loss team heading into SS and got the last #1 seed. 27-7, 9 Q1 wins, 16 combined Q1/Q2 wins. Marquette would have a better record (assuming 17-3 finish), and I'd say roughly the same amount of Q1 and combined Q1/Q2 wins.

Also, for whatever reason, the committee loves gaudy conf records. That was largely the justification for UNC getting a 1 seed because a couple other teams had better resumes, most notably ISU.

 

[Mr.Hockey]

Yeah, the OOC SOS projects, at least as of now to finish top 10. Even with a weaker BE than normal, that should still be a top 40 overall SOS. UNC finished with the 32nd SOS last year and was a 7 loss team heading into SS and got the last #1 seed. 27-7, 9 Q1 wins, 16 combined Q1/Q2 wins. Marquette would have a better record (assuming 17-3 finish), and I'd say roughly the same amount of Q1 and combined Q1/Q2 wins.

Also, for whatever reason, the committee loves gaudy conf records. That was largely the justification for UNC getting a 1 seed because a couple other teams had better resumes, most notably ISU.

Yup I think that's the other thing. Even if a league is weaker. If a high major type league. Rattling off 17ish wins and essentially having no slip ups is going to be weighed heavily as well.

 

[jontaejones]

This I disagree with. As Ive said, I think its a moot

But 18-2 would have us looking more likely to be #1 overall. Our non con metrics are going to be stellar(even more so with a Dayton win) and that would mean 5 losses max(if Dayton is a L plus BE tourney)

I think 17-3 would be a clear cut 1 seed this year with our non con. I just don't think that happens so it doesn't matter.

It took UConn 18-2 last year and the tourney champ to be clear cut #1 and the BE was stronger last year.

I don't see this Marquette as a 18-2 team, like you said.

There's more margin of error for a Top 3 seed though, and it's not like any other team out of any conference really scares you.

But the bottom of this league could be quite bad

 

[Mr.Hockey]

It took UConn 18-2 last year and the tourney champ to be clear cut #1 and the BE was stronger last year.

I don't see this Marquette as a 18-2 team, like you said.

There's more margin of error for a Top 3 seed though, and it's not like any other team out of any conference really scares you.

But the bottom of this league could be quite bad

Uconn was a 1 seed if they lost like 4 more games haha

They just happened to go 18-2 and steamroll everyone.

Its a fun convo to have tho considering our first two road games are Prov(gimmick arena, crowd, officiating) and Xavier(still loads of talent). So this could quickly be moot as we start 1-2 haha.

 

[Mr.Hockey]

Also, lost in all this Marquette/BE resume talk

Providence lost to Rhode Island today. What a time to be alive.

Did their job and beat a big12 team for the league. Now I can instantly go back to laughing at their pain.