Direct Pay to Players

Across The Field said:
Impossible to do without having conferences with no geographical ties. The talent is almost entirely concentrated east of the Mississippi, and mostly in the SE more specifically. Unless you're having Georgia, Miss St, Kansas State, Arizona, BYU, Boston College, Maryland and Wisconsin type divisions it would never fly.
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Because they don’t do that now? Big 10 will go from Seattle to New Jersey next year
 
ELTEXAN said:
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1. Kill the ncaa. Start a new league, “COLLEGE FOOTBALL UNION.” 2. CFBU organizing 64 member schools into four 16-team divisions. 3. Each division plays a nine-game division schedule. 4. The division schedule is set up into a four-team-pods OR three-permanent-rivals scheme. 5. The two teams in...
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64 is a low number considering we already have more than that in the 4 power conferences but 80ish and tell the G5 and FCS to fuck off. But your idea is good

and in all honesty as a Rocket fan I'd be more excited about them winning a national title in "division 2" then pissing around in the Motel 6 bowl. The idea of them being in a playoff is exciting.
 
Also with NIL this shit is a wrap for G5 on a P5 level. they can't compete.
 
stakesarehigh said:
Do you not see how silly it is to mandate OOC schedules against P5 schools when the SEC doesn't mandate 9 games?

The true course of action should be the top 80 or so breaking away and only playing each other. Sorry for your low budget football program bruh...not our job to prop it up.

And I say this fully as someone who graduated from Toledo

who btw...our qb just entered the portal...and hey...who the fuck can blame him. No one knows who the fuck Dequan Finn is.
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Confident that we will go to 9 IC games in 2025 or 2026. There is too much money not to.
 
Wild Turkey said:
My issue isn't with paying players and my issue issue isn't with the portal. My issue IS having no salary cap and unrestricted free agency which is a horrible idea for any league.

Do this in the NFL and see what happens.
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The only answer to this is:

- 1 time transfer, no/rare waivers. Grad students can transfer once.
- Direct payment with a CBA with a player association. Not sure how the payment goes ... does each team have a limit? Do all QBs get $X, then OL get $X? Do all players get the same ... say, $30,000 per year with the rest made up with NIL.
- NIL - you can't cap it, but you can have reporting requirements through the CBA, and from the schools.
- Strict rules on college/collective provision of NIL, with an investigative body that has teeth and will do its job. Once the players are getting paid, and the CBA exists the NCAA shouldn't have a problem enforcing things.

The last part is the tricky part ... mostly because all the states are passing their own NIL laws. The hope here is that once you pay the players directly, and they have a CBA, the states will back off or the feds will pass a federal law. Right now neither care to do so because they are looking after the players, or so they say, and the schools are seen as the bad guys. Once the players are paid and represented, then NIL laws won't be as important.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Confident that we will go to 9 IC games in 2025 or 2026. There is too much money not to.
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don't disagree

but as a whole we got to get rid of this bullshit scheduling and maybe only one g5 school max

like I said create that mid tier and have a playoff there

I would totally watch Louisiana Monroe go for a title in tier 2 whereas I'm not watching them play for nothing in the Taco Bell Chalupa bowl
 
dhoey said:
I would do 8 team conferences and play round robin. Conference champs go to a real playoff and we get a no argument national champion.
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The conferences aren't going anywhere. And they won't become super-conferences. That is part of the beauty of the sport. I believe this will be more of a P5/G5/DIV1/DIV2 split. The top level ... call it the P4 ... will abide by these rules, and the G5 won't. I would think the SEC will likely consider making it a conference requirement to play football, and a team like Vanderbilt has to decide if they want to stay in the SEC for football. But, the conference can handle all the logistics and the money can come out of the TV revenue. Instead of each team getting $110 million each year, they will hold back, say, $35 million per to pay the athletes. Something like that.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
The only answer to this is:

- 1 time transfer, no/rare waivers. Grad students can transfer once.
- Direct payment with a CBA with a player association. Not sure how the payment goes ... does each team have a limit? Do all QBs get $X, then OL get $X? Do all players get the same ... say, $30,000 per year with the rest made up with NIL.
- NIL - you can't cap it, but you can have reporting requirements through the CBA, and from the schools.
- Strict rules on college/collective provision of NIL, with an investigative body that has teeth and will do its job. Once the players are getting paid, and the CBA exists the NCAA shouldn't have a problem enforcing things.

The last part is the tricky part ... mostly because all the states are passing their own NIL laws. The hope here is that once you pay the players directly, and they have a CBA, the states will back off or the feds will pass a federal law. Right now neither care to do so because they are looking after the players, or so they say, and the schools are seen as the bad guys. Once the players are paid and represented, then NIL laws won't be as important.
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Whoa. I wonder who’s been saying this for three decades. 🍻
 
stakesarehigh said:
don't disagree

but as a whole we got to get rid of this bullshit scheduling and maybe only one g5 school max

like I said create that mid tier and have a playoff there

I would totally watch Louisiana Monroe go for a title in tier 2 whereas I'm not watching them play for nothing in the Taco Bell Chalupa bowl
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I am with you on the mid-tier playoff. A 4 or 8 team G5 playoff would be a lot of fun to watch.

Do you really think that controlling the scheduling makes a difference?

You playing Ball State is no different than us playing UT Martin. They are both guaranteed wins. I agree no more than 1, but even P5 scheduling can be easy. I mean I could easily come up with a G5/P5 three game schedule that has teams like Rice, Indiana, and BC (select your bottom ACC team) and we are going to have 3 guaranteed wins.
 
stakesarehigh said:
The mega conferences would be fine with anything resembling organization.

The farce is attempting to keep the Troy States of the world on the same plane as Alabama. It's fucking stupid. It's like having the Edmonton Eskimos play the Eagles and tell Philly they should share with Edmonton.
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You disgust me!

It’s the Edmonton Elks!!!
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I am with you on the mid-tier playoff. A 4 or 8 team G5 playoff would be a lot of fun to watch.

Do you really think that controlling the scheduling makes a difference?

You playing Ball State is no different than us playing UT Martin. They are both guaranteed wins. I agree no more than 1, but even P5 scheduling can be easy. I mean I could easily come up with a G5/P5 three game schedule that has teams like Rice, Indiana, and BC (select your bottom ACC team) and we are going to have 3 guaranteed wins.
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that's why they should take scheduling control away from ADs.
 
stakesarehigh said:
that's why they should take scheduling control away from ADs.
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That's never going to happen. You might get 9 IC, 2 P5, 1 G5, no FCS. But the ACC might not give up their 8 game schedule - they likely don't have the financial incentive to do so. The SEC isn't going to give up their week 11 bye games. The SEC will always start IC play earlier than most other conferences, although the TV partners will require the B1G to have more week 1-3 IC games.

But someone else deciding who plays who OOC won't ever happen. Most lower teams aren't going to want to play the top teams. Which teams in the B1G are wanting to line up Bama and UGA? With 9 IC games, they need lower end games to get to 6 wins.
 
stakesarehigh said:
weren't they Eskimos at one point?

did Eskimo offend someone?
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Yep.

Kept the colors.

Eskimo Pies also went into the witness protection program around the same time.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
The only answer to this is:

- 1 time transfer, no/rare waivers. Grad students can transfer once.
- Direct payment with a CBA with a player association. Not sure how the payment goes ... does each team have a limit? Do all QBs get $X, then OL get $X? Do all players get the same ... say, $30,000 per year with the rest made up with NIL.
- NIL - you can't cap it, but you can have reporting requirements through the CBA, and from the schools.
- Strict rules on college/collective provision of NIL, with an investigative body that has teeth and will do its job. Once the players are getting paid, and the CBA exists the NCAA shouldn't have a problem enforcing things.

The last part is the tricky part ... mostly because all the states are passing their own NIL laws. The hope here is that once you pay the players directly, and they have a CBA, the states will back off or the feds will pass a federal law. Right now neither care to do so because they are looking after the players, or so they say, and the schools are seen as the bad guys. Once the players are paid and represented, then NIL laws won't be as important.
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If you solve the unrestricted free agency then NIL will fix itself.

Basically these guys need to be paid and put under contract with certain conditions where they can transfer for example:

1. Coach gets fired
2. Family medical issue
3. School agrees to transfer
4. Transfer to lower division

Players could make as much as they want outside for NIL but actual business decisions will be made on that front and not this bastardization of school collectives just flat out negotiating with each player.

A 5 star at our local high school is going to Tennessee next year and when asked why he will flat out tell you they offered him the most money.

We are kidding ourselves by not just making these kids employees with contracts.
 
Across The Field said:
Impossible to do without having conferences with no geographical ties. The talent is almost entirely concentrated east of the Mississippi, and mostly in the SE more specifically. Unless you're having Georgia, Miss St, Kansas State, Arizona, BYU, Boston College, Maryland and Wisconsin type divisions it would never fly.
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Geographic divisions, in all sports, are from the era of train travel. I would say it still affects college sports the most since kids are "supposed" to be in class unless they are in a game on the weekend, but I was just having this conversation about pro sports and how stupid NFL divisions are.
 
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